# What are "Saved Christians" saved from? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [February 9, 2009, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-saved-christians-saved-from/485120 "2009-02-09T19:24:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2009, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-saved-christians-saved-from/485120/21 "2009-02-09T22:17:24Z")
> [@](#): > > Answering the question of why it’s God’s job to save us from his own judgment (rather than just skipping the whole judgment thing), well, that gets us into GD. It does raise the question of who God was making His sacrifice to. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2009, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-saved-christians-saved-from/485120/22 "2009-02-09T22:18:30Z")
> [@](#): > > her answer was if you don’t know what saved means then you’ll never know. Sounds like this is probably true in her case. ---
**Author:** ![MeDrewNotYou](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/838e76/32.png) [@MeDrewNotYou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MeDrewNotYou)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2009, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-saved-christians-saved-from/485120/23 "2009-02-10T00:06:16Z")
> [@Thudlow\_Boink](#): > > You apparently haven’t spent much time playing computer games. You’re advised to save your game often, so that if you die (or if the power goes out)—hey, no problem: you’re saved! 😛 I’m a fan of the good ole’, “Jesus saves… And takes half damage.” I’ll leave now… 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2009, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-saved-christians-saved-from/485120/24 "2009-02-10T00:42:59Z")
> [@Clu-Me-In](#): > > I was chatting with a co-worker who kept telling me how she was saved and if I wasn’t saved, I was sure to go to hell. So, I asked her what saved means, and don’t you know that I never could get an answer… her answer was if you don’t know what saved means then you’ll never know. > > So, I’m asking here… what are “saved folks” saved from? Listening to you drone on about religion for an eternity?🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2009, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-saved-christians-saved-from/485120/25 "2009-02-10T01:16:19Z")
> [@Cliffy](#): > > Doesn’t the RCC reject that “faith alone” is the way to salvation? I seem to remember there was a bit of a scuffle on this point, although of course that was 500 years ago, so things may have changed. > > –Cliffy That’s correct. I don’t think the Catholic church has ever taught “Faith Alone” is enough. Basically, it’s the whole, “faith without works is worthless,” teaching. Otherwise, what’s the point? ---
**Author:** ![Clu-Me-In](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/dfb087/32.png) [@Clu-Me-In](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clu-Me-In)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2009, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-saved-christians-saved-from/485120/26 "2009-02-10T02:22:59Z")
> [@gigi](#): > > then Christ descended to hell to save them while He was dead. > > \*\*. Now, that sure don’t make no kinda sense. Are you saying GOD went to hell? ---
**Author:** ![dinoboy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/65b543/32.png) [@dinoboy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dinoboy)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2009, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-saved-christians-saved-from/485120/27 "2009-02-10T02:23:16Z")
> [@Saintly\_Loser](#): > > The Catholic Church has pretty much backed off the idea of Limbo… Wow, the poor economy has really affected everyone and EVERYTHING. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Clu-Me-In](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/dfb087/32.png) [@Clu-Me-In](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clu-Me-In)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2009, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-saved-christians-saved-from/485120/28 "2009-02-10T02:25:29Z")
> [@Thudlow\_Boink](#): > > You apparently haven’t spent much time playing computer games. You’re advised to save your game often, so that if you die (or if the power goes out)—hey, no problem: you’re saved! 😛 Huh? come again:rolleyes::dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Clu-Me-In](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/dfb087/32.png) [@Clu-Me-In](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clu-Me-In)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2009, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-saved-christians-saved-from/485120/29 "2009-02-10T02:29:49Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > Listening to you drone on about religion for an eternity?🙂 In that case how come they’re all afraid to die and go to heaven when they’re all saved already especially since heaven must be a better place than right here where if they work hard they can go and come to any part of the Earth they want whenever they want. Heaven is right here. No where else. BTW, where daheck is heaven? ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2009, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-saved-christians-saved-from/485120/30 "2009-02-10T02:51:30Z")
Moving from GQ to GD. Colibri General Questions Moderator ---
**Author:** ![Snnipe\_70E](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5a626/32.png) [@Snnipe\_70E](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snnipe_70E)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2009, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-saved-christians-saved-from/485120/31 "2009-02-10T04:03:53Z")
Saved??? Saved from or is it saved for God? And as far as works. You are not saved by your works, by by your faith. Though There is a song with the words “faith with out works is as usless as a screen door on a submarine.” To those who are married and in love with their spouse do you do things for them because of duty or because you want to to show your love? Is your spouse your friend or the one that you have to follow? Same thing follows. Because of my love for the Lord I serve. I work hard every year at a Christian music festable 10 to 14 hour days. I do not do this because I have to but because I get to, I do not like some of the work but it all gives me Joy. I tend to beeble at times so I will end this for now. ---
**Author:** ![Zoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a4c791/32.png) [@Zoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoe)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2009, 7:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-saved-christians-saved-from/485120/32 "2009-02-10T07:01:53Z")
> [@](#): > > **Clu-Me-In** : In that case how come they’re all afraid to die… They’re not all afraid to die. But there is a natural fear of the unknown in human beings. No one knows what “heaven” will be like. It is also natural to have our faith falter. Some people don’t fear death so much as they fear pain. And then there are those who have to fight the urge to move things along a little. ---
**Author:** ![Fantome](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e9c0ed/32.png) [@Fantome](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fantome)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2009, 7:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-saved-christians-saved-from/485120/33 "2009-02-10T07:16:28Z")
> [@Clu-Me-In](#): > > her answer was if you don’t know what saved means then you’ll never know. You should ask her why she believes that if you’re ignorant of something that means you must be incapable of understanding her explanation if she were to bother giving it. Pretty rude of her to assume you’re an idiot. ---
**Author:** ![antechinus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/fbc32d/32.png) [@antechinus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/antechinus)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2009, 7:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-saved-christians-saved-from/485120/34 "2009-02-10T07:40:00Z")
As others have mentioned, being saved is believing in everlasting life and the consequent modification of mindset. As per John 3:15&16, whoever believes in god shall have eternal life. The belief in eternal life is just as good as having eternal life. In the end they will never know they are wrong. That is why it is popular with those having feeble minds or suffering psych issues. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2009, 7:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-saved-christians-saved-from/485120/35 "2009-02-10T07:50:41Z")
Well it really depends on your denomination’s position. For some, it is actual hellfire in the afterlife. For religions with more “nuanced” theologies it can mean “saved from separation from the presence of God” or from “the Holy Spirit” in this life. It can mean from saved from “sin”. Her statement that she is already saved in this life is correct as far as I understand it. ---
**Author:** ![grimpixie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ecb155/32.png) [@grimpixie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/grimpixie)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2009, 10:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-saved-christians-saved-from/485120/36 "2009-02-10T10:28:06Z")
> [@Cliffy](#): > > Some Protestant denominations believe even that faith cannot save you – some are chosen by God for reasons of his own, some are not. > > –Cliffy I think that these denominations would rather express it that faith in God is a gift from God, so only those chosen by Him can have faith in Him. It’s not that you can have faith but not be chosen, you must have been chosen in order to believe. Grim ---
**Author:** ![tim-n-va](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tim-n-va/32/3001_2.png) [@tim-n-va](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tim-n-va)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2009, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-saved-christians-saved-from/485120/37 "2009-02-10T12:59:24Z")
> [@Clu-Me-In](#): > > In that case how come they’re all afraid to die and go to heaven when they’re all saved already especially since heaven must be a better place than right here where if they work hard they can go and come to any part of the Earth they want whenever they want. Heaven is right here. No where else. BTW, where daheck is heaven? Non-believer here but it seems obvious that even if you believe that heaven is better and that you will go there after you die, the transition (dying) still looks unpleasant. If there were a guaranteed pain free way to die that didn’t also break the anti-suicide rules that many religions have, you might have a valid question. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2009, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-saved-christians-saved-from/485120/38 "2009-02-10T13:34:12Z")
Saved as in ransomed, We are taken back by God, by the exchange of the death of His Son. All have sinned, which is submission to a lesser god, that lesser god now owns us. Those gods now stand condemned which means everything they own is also condemned, including the people this lesser god owns. By Jesus dieing in our place that god no longer has any claim on us. ---
**Author:** ![Saintly\_Loser](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saintly_loser/32/4045_2.png) [@Saintly\_Loser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saintly_Loser)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2009, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-saved-christians-saved-from/485120/39 "2009-02-10T14:10:22Z")
> [@grimpixie](#): > > I think that these denominations would rather express it that faith in God is a gift from God, so only those chosen by Him can have faith in Him. It’s not that you can have faith but not be chosen, you must have been chosen in order to believe. > > Grim I think Cliffy was referring to those Protestant denominations that believe in predestination, either of the double or single variety. Essentially, the doctrine of predestination says that God creates some souls specifically intending them to be with Him in heaven after death, and some souls specifically to, well, not be with Him. The doctrine of double predestination says that those latter souls are created with the intention that they end up in Hell. The whole idea is pretty repugnant to Catholics. ---
**Author:** ![Saintly\_Loser](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saintly_loser/32/4045_2.png) [@Saintly\_Loser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saintly_Loser)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2009, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-saved-christians-saved-from/485120/40 "2009-02-10T14:14:37Z")
> [@Swallowed\_My\_Cellphone](#): > > Can someone expand on the “baptism of desire” thing? Or should I just Google it? > > :: cracks knuckles, prepares to Google :: Google is good. And it will lead you to, among other sites, Wikipedia, which says: > [@](#): > > . . .those who desire baptism, but are not baptized with water through the Christian ritual, because of death, nevertheless bring about the fruits of Baptism, if their grace of conversion included an internal act of perfect love and contrition which automatically cleanses the soul of all sin. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-saved-christians-saved-from/485120.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-saved-christians-saved-from/485120.md?page=3)