# What are some examples of "evidence" that Trump's lawyers and supporters say they have? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 8, 2021, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-some-examples-of-evidence-that-trumps-lawyers-and-supporters-say-they-have/930061 "2021-01-08T19:55:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Yodalicious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yodalicious/32/8195_2.png) [@Yodalicious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yodalicious)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2021, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-some-examples-of-evidence-that-trumps-lawyers-and-supporters-say-they-have/930061/1 "2021-01-08T19:55:13Z")
We all know the court filings, and lawsuits have been a farce. I read one story that happened here in Georgia. A Republican count watcher testified that he had seen a stack of ballots sitting on a table. He left the room (for some reason, I forget), and when he came back, the ballots were no longer on the table. Well, obviously, there could be no other reason for the ballots to have been moved, unless the Dems were up to some shenanigans. I’m looking for more stories like that. Official court testimonies would be even better. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2021, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-some-examples-of-evidence-that-trumps-lawyers-and-supporters-say-they-have/930061/2 "2021-01-08T20:01:16Z")
IIRC, it’s mostly signed affidavits of random people saying things like “I saw a van and a bunch of people taking out boxes of envelopes and I think they were full of fraudulent ballots”. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2021, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-some-examples-of-evidence-that-trumps-lawyers-and-supporters-say-they-have/930061/3 "2021-01-08T20:03:06Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > IIRC, it’s mostly signed affidavits of random people saying things like “I saw a van and a bunch of people taking out boxes of envelopes and I think they were full of fraudulent ballots”. - Along with claims that the van was covered in Biden/Harris signs. Ditto for the shirts the ballot toting people were wearing. ---
**Author:** ![racer72](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/racer72/32/3075_2.png) [@racer72](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/racer72)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2021, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-some-examples-of-evidence-that-trumps-lawyers-and-supporters-say-they-have/930061/4 "2021-01-08T20:06:47Z")
The one I heard was about Trump’s ballot watchers were not allowed to be closer than 6 feed from the ballot counters. They claimed that they could not read the ballots from that distance. They then claimed their rights were violated when they asked to leave after violating the 6 foot rule. ---
**Author:** ![Jillwood77](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e47c2d/32.png) [@Jillwood77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jillwood77)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-some-examples-of-evidence-that-trumps-lawyers-and-supporters-say-they-have/930061/5 "2021-01-09T15:01:39Z")
One of the things they talking about is the voting machine saying it can be hacked or changed. I remember when Bush got in people thought all he needed was Florida as swing state and he flipped it has he has buddies down in Florida. That had Florida gone for the Democratic Party he would not won the election. But Trump is not talking about one state but many states. If what Trump is saying is true it would not change not only future elections but all election in the past. So people are talking about voting machine got hacked or changed and votes being dumped very big conspiracy. ---
**Author:** ![snowthx](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowthx/32/10660_2.png) [@snowthx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snowthx)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-some-examples-of-evidence-that-trumps-lawyers-and-supporters-say-they-have/930061/6 "2021-01-09T15:15:30Z")
One of the things the Republican lawmakers seem to be latching onto are procedural and/or process issues around various states (the ones Trump lost, specifically) changing their election laws in the face of the pandemic to allow more voting by mail, or easing of rules for voting by mail. They are saying these changes were rushed thru state legislatures and are not in accordance with state constitutions, or against the state constitutions. Of course it’s all hogwash, since a) they are not complaining about states that changed the vote by mail rules that went to Trump, and b) some states, like PA, ran a primary election earlier in 2020 with the new rules with no complaints from either party. That is what Hawley and Cruz were caterwauling about on Wednesday. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-some-examples-of-evidence-that-trumps-lawyers-and-supporters-say-they-have/930061/7 "2021-01-09T15:15:58Z")
Here is a list of all of the actual evidence of fraud and other irregularities which could have affected the outcome of the election: ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-some-examples-of-evidence-that-trumps-lawyers-and-supporters-say-they-have/930061/8 "2021-01-09T15:43:45Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > > > IIRC, it’s mostly signed affidavits of random people saying things like “I saw a van and a bunch of people taking out boxes of envelopes and I think they were full of fraudulent ballots”. - > > Along with claims that the van was covered in Biden/Harris signs. Ditto for the shirts the ballot toting people were wearing. Those were not Biden/Harris election signs. The trucks were emblazoned with “Biden-Harris Election Fraud Operations” in letters 6 feet high, and an 800 number to call if you had any election fraud you wanted perpetrated. 😆 Trump also claimed the same fraud was engineered by those nefarious Democrats to make sure Warnock and Ossoff won the Georgia runoffs. Trump’s evidence for this – literally word for word as closely as I can recall: “there were people going back and forth carrying ballot boxes – who knows what was going on!!”. Imagine that! People walking around carrying ballot boxes! In a polling place! This is the kind of “evidence” that Trump was pushing. Because he has the intelligence of a rutabaga. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-some-examples-of-evidence-that-trumps-lawyers-and-supporters-say-they-have/930061/9 "2021-01-09T15:48:00Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > Because he has the intelligence of a rutabaga. This is an insult to all Brassican Americans! ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-some-examples-of-evidence-that-trumps-lawyers-and-supporters-say-they-have/930061/10 "2021-01-09T15:50:25Z")
The evidence is all rumor and hearsay. If you look at what the suits are objecting to, it’s mostly trying to throw out as many votes as possible by challenging every recent decision by a state to make voting easier. Of course, all we really need to infer purpose is to listen to Trump shaking down Raffensberger for 11,780 votes, for no other reason than it puts him over the top. That’s all this is about, nothing else. ---
**Author:** ![bordelond](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bordelond/32/150_2.png) [@bordelond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bordelond)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-some-examples-of-evidence-that-trumps-lawyers-and-supporters-say-they-have/930061/11 "2021-01-09T15:56:21Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > Trump also claimed the same fraud was engineered by those nefarious Democrats to make sure Warnock and Ossoff won the Georgia runoffs. Trump’s evidence for this – literally word for word as closely as I can recall: “there were people going back and forth carrying ballot boxes – who knows what was going on!!”. > > Imagine that! People walking around carrying ballot boxes! In a polling place! This is the kind of “evidence” that Trump was pushing. Because he has the intelligence of a rutabaga. You think that’s something? Did you happen to see videos of election workers _running ballots through counting machines_? And when they’d finish one stack … they’d run another one through! And then another! All out in the open! And caught on camera! ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-some-examples-of-evidence-that-trumps-lawyers-and-supporters-say-they-have/930061/12 "2021-01-09T16:13:18Z")
Basically the evidence is this: Trump is the most popular President ever. It’s impossible that Biden got more votes. So if the count for Biden is higher, it must be from fraud. It’s the only explanation. That is basically the entire basis for the claim. They have searched desperately for actual evidence to back up their claim. They have found nothing significant. They’ve got several hundred statements like “_somebody told me they saw fraud. I didn’t see it myself, but I trust the person that told me_.” Put them all together and they amount to nothing. They found a case where a flash drive recording votes was briefly mislaid. This is evidence of fraud, they say. [Here’s some details](https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/11/17/fact-check-milwaukee-flash-drive-incident-unrelated-biden-votes/6325022002/). They found a single voting machine that showed a 68% error rate. This was swiftly detected and corrected. It made no difference to the totals, once corrected. But they twist this into “proof” of widespread uncorrected errors. They claim they have lists of dead people who voted. But when checked, it turns out they either were still alive, or dead and didn’t vote. There are two confirmed cases of dead people voting, and both of them were for Trump. Here’s a brief introduction, from a few days after the election. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/cMz_sTgoydQ/maxresdefault.jpg "Trump & Election Results: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (HBO)") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMz_sTgoydQ) ---
**Author:** ![Yodalicious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yodalicious/32/8195_2.png) [@Yodalicious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yodalicious)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-some-examples-of-evidence-that-trumps-lawyers-and-supporters-say-they-have/930061/13 "2021-01-09T16:13:47Z")
That’s the same list I saw. Amazing! ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-some-examples-of-evidence-that-trumps-lawyers-and-supporters-say-they-have/930061/14 "2021-01-09T16:42:24Z")
> [@Peter\_Morris](#): > > It’s impossible that Biden got more votes. So if the count for Biden is higher, it must be from fraud. It’s the only explanation. Sometimes more elegantly couched in language about various “statistical analyses” but yes, essentially “it should not be possible”. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-some-examples-of-evidence-that-trumps-lawyers-and-supporters-say-they-have/930061/15 "2021-01-09T16:47:14Z")
Don’t forget the mathematically-proven fact that there was less than 1 chance in a quadrillion (a quadrillion is 1 followed by a quadrillion zeroes) that the votes this year came from the 2016 election. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-some-examples-of-evidence-that-trumps-lawyers-and-supporters-say-they-have/930061/16 "2021-01-09T17:12:43Z")
> [@racer72](#): > > The one I heard was about Trump’s ballot watchers were not allowed to be closer than 6 feed from the ballot counters. They claimed that they could not read the ballots from that distance. They then claimed their rights were violated when they asked to leave after violating the 6 foot rule. And generally getting in the way. > **[Wisconsin officials: Trump observers obstructing recount](https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-joe-biden-donald-trump-wisconsin-elections-dcb7da95578fc7289122c6d372575a9b)** > > MILWAUKEE (AP) — Election officials in Wisconsin’s largest county accused observers for President Donald Trump on Saturday of seeking to obstruct a recount of the presidential results, in some instances by objecting to every ballot tabulators pulled... ---
**Author:** ![Saintly\_Loser](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saintly_loser/32/4045_2.png) [@Saintly\_Loser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saintly_Loser)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-some-examples-of-evidence-that-trumps-lawyers-and-supporters-say-they-have/930061/17 "2021-01-09T17:36:12Z")
> [@snowthx](#): > > That is what Hawley and Cruz were caterwauling about on Wednesday. Hawley and Cruz are rightly being castigated for their objections to the electoral college votes in Arizona and Pennsylvania. But the names of the other senators who objected aren’t mentioned nearly enough. Senators Hyde-Smith of Mississippi, Marshall of Kansas, Kennedy of Louisiana and Tuberville of Alabama also objected to the Arizona vote. Senators Hyde-Smith, Marshall and Tuberville also objected to the Pennsylvania count, joined by Rick Scott of Florida and Cynthia Lummis of Wyoming. Their names should be mentioned more often. Let’s not let them hide behind Cruz and Hawley. ---
**Author:** ![Alpha\_Twit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alpha_twit/32/265_2.png) [@Alpha\_Twit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alpha_Twit)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-some-examples-of-evidence-that-trumps-lawyers-and-supporters-say-they-have/930061/18 "2021-01-09T17:45:01Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > Because he has the intelligence of a rutabaga. > [@silenus](#): > > This is an insult to all Brassican Americans! Agreed, please don’t mock our Brassicaceae friends. They are versatile, talented, nutritional powerhouses. Well worthy of our respect. Celery on the other hand, that fits.