# What are some passages in the Quran that are clearly offensive to modern sensibilities? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [November 17, 2015, 9:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-some-passages-in-the-quran-that-are-clearly-offensive-to-modern-sensibilities/737787 "2015-11-17T09:03:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2015, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-some-passages-in-the-quran-that-are-clearly-offensive-to-modern-sensibilities/737787/41 "2015-11-20T20:00:37Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > You were responding to my post A **different post** as anyone with any ability to read can tell. This one > [@](#): > > Damn, if a poster had come in and asked the same thing about the Bible, you’d be all over yourselves giving examples, and none would ever demand that he read it. He asked for a reasonable request, and there are certainly examples to give. there is no wikipedia in this post. the capacity of distortion is impressive and bizarre misreading is also, but this is why there are some topics limited. I repeat then \*Of course, I myself would not pretend to comment in substance on the character of another religion, like say the Hinduism or the Budhdhism or even a close one like the Judaism by the reading of Wikipedia, as I think the idea of reading a wiki page and thinking one has substance to make any real comment on the belief or the substance of that religion to be ridiculous and shallow. \* ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2015, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-some-passages-in-the-quran-that-are-clearly-offensive-to-modern-sensibilities/737787/42 "2015-11-20T20:20:11Z")
> [@Ramira](#): > > A **different post** as anyone with any ability to read can tell. > This one > > there is no wikipedia in this post. > > the capacity of distortion is impressive and bizarre misreading is also, but this is why there are some topics limited. > > I repeat then \*Of course, I myself would not pretend to comment in substance on the character of another religion, like say the Hinduism or the Budhdhism or even a close one like the Judaism by the reading of Wikipedia, as I think the idea of reading a wiki page and thinking one has substance to make any real comment on the belief or the substance of that religion to be ridiculous and shallow. \* I repeat: However, if you dont like wiki, try: The Human Cycle - Eighteen Lessons with Sayyid Muhammad Husayn Jalali By Sayyid Muhammad Husayn Jalali or [http://al-quran.info/#4:34](http://al-quran.info/#4:34) or [http://www.shiavault.com/books/the-h...ers/6-lesson-4](http://www.shiavault.com/books/the-h...ers/6-lesson-4) (this last discusses the verse) or any of thousands of cites. _It’s a freaken verse from the Koran._ \*It says what it says. \*I didnt attempt to “comment in substance on the character of another religion”, I simply quoted a well known verse. _Do you claim that verse is not in the Koran?_ ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2015, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-some-passages-in-the-quran-that-are-clearly-offensive-to-modern-sensibilities/737787/43 "2015-11-20T20:24:17Z")
I add I realize only now somehow you think I was commenting on this other post you made, although it was not quoted or mentioned - so to avoid all doubts, no I did not comment on this post and had no idea you had this strange idea the post _ **not** _ quoted or mentioned rather than the post that was quoted the subject. In fact I do not usually pay any attention to any post attached to your name. So do repeat about a post and a subject I did not comment on, it is like making TV series the subject of books and books the subject of TV series. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2015, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-some-passages-in-the-quran-that-are-clearly-offensive-to-modern-sensibilities/737787/44 "2015-11-20T20:33:07Z")
> [@Ramira](#): > > I add I realize only now somehow you think I was commenting on this other post you made, although it was not quoted or mentioned - so to avoid all doubts, no I did not comment on this post and had no idea you had this strange idea the post _ **not** _ quoted or mentioned rather than the post that was quoted the subject. > > In fact I do not usually pay any attention to any post attached to your name. > > So do repeat about a post and a subject I did not comment on, it is like making TV series the subject of books and books the subject of TV series. This is gibberish and has no meaning. You replied to _my_ posts. So again: which posts exactly here in this thread _"copy-paste from hate-mongering sites_"? Next: _Do you claim that verse 4:34 is not in the Koran?_ Just answer those questions. ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2015, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-some-passages-in-the-quran-that-are-clearly-offensive-to-modern-sensibilities/737787/45 "2015-11-20T20:47:25Z")
I commented only on the **QUOTED** post in my post alone, not to your post **s** (the plural), and paid no attention to any of them, but the single one I quoted. I think this is clear and that is all. That is the sole subject I commented on, whatever strange distortions follow. And what I said again was: > [@](#): > > the number of posters who are athiest but who have a good command of your majority religion text - as perhaps educated in it - is large here. > > the number who have any kind of education in the Quran, the Hadith, the tafsir, to be credible and do more than copy-paste from hate-mongering sites is near zero. I thought it is clear this is the general comment on this board (since I did not know in this thread if there are the atheist posters or not, and certainly not if they are quoting the bible). I think it was clear it was a general comment to what I considered a general comment. but it is again not surprising some limitations. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2015, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-some-passages-in-the-quran-that-are-clearly-offensive-to-modern-sensibilities/737787/46 "2015-11-20T21:03:01Z")
> [@Ramira](#): > > I commented only on the **QUOTED** post in my post alone, not to your post **s** (the plural), and paid no attention to any of them, but the single one I quoted. > > I think this is clear and that is all. > > That is the sole subject I commented on, whatever strange distortions follow. > > And what I said again was: > > I thought it is clear this is the general comment on this board (since I did not know in this thread if there are the atheist posters or not, and certainly not if they are quoting the bible). I think it was clear it was a general comment to what I considered a general comment. > > but it is again not surprising some limitations. You seem to have a problem answering simple and precise questions, you prevaricate and want to change the subject and go very general. So then, you admit that NO posts here in this thread “copy-paste from hate-mongering sites”? But now you’re saying it’s common on other threads on this board? Got some cites? Enough cites to show it’s _common_. And again; _Do you claim that verse 4:34 is not in the Koran?_ Look, the Koran is a old document, it’s not surprising that some of it’s teachings are outdated in today’s world. Hell- the Old Testament is full of such. It’s not ignorant or hate-mongering to show that both documents are products of their times, and _some_ passages would offend many modern sensibilities. It’s just a fact. It’s a\* fact\* that one passage in the Koran does allow for wife beating as a last resort. Hell,\* for it’s time\*, advocating it as\* a last resort \*was actually pretty progressive. Are you a woman? Would you not say that in today’s world, wife beating should not even be a "last resort? and that in allowing that, the Koran is outdated? If you ask me, I’ll happily concede that stoning a person to death (as advocated by several passage in the OT) is outdated and wrong for today’s world. Does that mean that the OT is some evil document? Not at all. ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2015, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-some-passages-in-the-quran-that-are-clearly-offensive-to-modern-sensibilities/737787/47 "2015-11-20T21:10:55Z")
Change the subject? My post was about the quoted post and that is all. That was the subject. Your hijacking is something else, I have not any interest in and not any comment on. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2015, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-some-passages-in-the-quran-that-are-clearly-offensive-to-modern-sensibilities/737787/48 "2015-11-20T21:25:04Z")
> [@Ramira](#): > > Change the subject? > > My post was about the quoted post and that is all. That was the subject. > > Your hijacking is something else, I have not any interest in and not any comment on. And again; _Do you claim that verse 4:34 is not in the Koran?_ How is that a hijack? That directly bears on the OP. You’re avoiding the question. You also insulted this board by claiming it’s common for us to “copy-paste from hate-mongering sites” but then when called on it, admitted you can’t show any examples from this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2015, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-some-passages-in-the-quran-that-are-clearly-offensive-to-modern-sensibilities/737787/49 "2015-11-20T21:32:00Z")
Insult the Board? I said and I repeat > [@](#): > > the number of posters who are athiest but who have a good command of your majority religion text - as perhaps educated in it - is large here. > > \*\*the number who have any kind of education in the Quran, the Hadith, the tafsir, to be credible and \*\*do more than copy-paste from hate-mongering sites **is near zero**. the emphasis added to show what you omit and was the core and the majority of the comment This is a true observation in my opinion. What is insulting is the disingenuous cutting of the statement and the constant pretending I was making comment on some other post which I did not either quote or otherwise call to. Since I did not make a claim about examples in this thread or not (which I will not since I had and have not followed the links) it is simply a misrepresentation and distortion, I can not tell if it is deliberate or from some inability. Hijacking to force the conversation to talk about a different thing because of a personal obsession, like from a book to a tv show, is boring and is tedious. I make no comment and no claim except what I actually wrote in response to the thing I actually quoted, and not some other post or thing. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2015, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-some-passages-in-the-quran-that-are-clearly-offensive-to-modern-sensibilities/737787/50 "2015-11-20T22:01:02Z")
> [@Ramira](#): > > Insult the Board? > > I said and I repeat > > the emphasis added to show what you omit and was the core and the majority of the comment > This is a true observation in my opinion. > > What is insulting is the disingenuous cutting of the statement and the constant pretending I was making comment on some other post which I did not either quote or otherwise call to. > > Since I did not make a claim about examples in this thread or not (which I will not since I had and have not followed the links) it is simply a misrepresentation and distortion, I can not tell if it is deliberate or from some inability. > > Hijacking to force the conversation to talk about a different thing because of a personal obsession, like from a book to a tv show, is boring and is tedious. > > I make no comment and no claim except what I actually wrote in response to the thing I actually quoted, and not some other post or thing. You posted it in this thread in a reply to my post. Not in some other thread. \*\*Here. In this Thread. In a direct reply to my post. \*\* I am calling you out on the “copy-paste from hate-mongering sites” part. I want you to support or retract that. _Put up or shut up_, as we say. You are also avoiding my question: And again; _Do you claim that verse 4:34 is not in the Koran?_ Nor am\*\* I\*\* hijacking this thread. Your accusation borders on junior modding. I am directly responding to the OP, who asked about “What are some passages in the Quran that are clearly offensive to modern sensibilities?” I pointed out verse 4:34. is that not _a passage from the Koran_? It is not “_clearly offensive to modern sensibilities_”? _You’re_ the one that came in and posted _“The liklihood of you being convincing to any believing muslim is near zero. the liklihood of confirming the sensation of prejudice and having the opposite effect is near 100.”_ Answer that question. verse 4:34. Is that not _a passage from the Koran_? It is not “_clearly offensive to modern sensibilities_”? ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2015, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-some-passages-in-the-quran-that-are-clearly-offensive-to-modern-sensibilities/737787/51 "2015-11-20T22:06:24Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > You posted it in this thread in a reply to my post. Yes this post and not any other: > [@](#): > > Damn, if a poster had come in and asked the same thing about the Bible, you’d be all over yourselves giving examples, and none would ever demand that he read it. He asked for a reasonable request, and there are certainly examples to give. and I said what I quoted in my prior post above, and to repeat. > [@](#): > > the number of posters who are athiest but who have a good command of your majority religion text - as perhaps educated in it - is large here. > > the number who have any kind of education in the Quran, the Hadith, the tafsir, to be credible and do more than copy-paste from hate-mongering sites is near zero. So again hijacking to other directions like from a book to a tv show, I simply \*\*refuse \*\*to follow games, out of the principal and because of course it is actually insulting to misquote and distort. this suffices. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2015, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-some-passages-in-the-quran-that-are-clearly-offensive-to-modern-sensibilities/737787/52 "2015-11-20T22:13:08Z")
> [@Ramira](#): > > Yes this post and not any other: > and I said what I quoted in my prior post above, and to repeat. > > So again hijacking to other directions like from a book to a tv show, I simply \*\*refuse \*\*to follow games, out of the principal and because of course it is actually insulting to misquote and distort. > > this suffices. I am calling you out on the “copy-paste from hate-mongering sites” part. **I want you to support or retract that. Put up or shut up, as we say.** You are still avoiding my question: And again; Do you claim that verse 4:34 is not in the Koran? The OP, who asked about “_What are some passages in the Quran that are clearly offensive to modern sensibilities?_” I pointed out verse 4:34. is that not a passage from the Koran? It is not “clearly offensive to modern sensibilities”? Answer that question. verse 4:34. Is that not a passage from the Koran? It is not “clearly offensive to modern sensibilities”? Nor is this thread about a TV show. Is there a American TV show about the Koran I have missed? what are you babbling about? You claim few here have _“any kind of education in the Quran, the Hadith, the tafsir”_ but you dont seem to have enough knowledge of the Koran to simply verify a single passage. :rolleyes: Do \*you \* know enough about the Koran to answer if 4:34 is a verse? Apparently not. And yet you decry other peoples ignorance. ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2015, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-some-passages-in-the-quran-that-are-clearly-offensive-to-modern-sensibilities/737787/53 "2015-11-20T22:18:47Z")
As a closing comment, I am not “avoiding” your questions, I am actively rejecting a hijack and bizarre questions about things I did not comment on, knowing the person has a habit of such things. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2015, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-some-passages-in-the-quran-that-are-clearly-offensive-to-modern-sensibilities/737787/54 "2015-11-20T23:25:37Z")
> [@Ramira](#): > > As a closing comment, I am not “avoiding” your questions, I am actively rejecting a hijack and bizarre questions about things I did not comment on, knowing the person has a habit of such things. Well, let me give you my background- you might call me either “poor doubting Christian” or a "Deist’ or even a “hopeful agnostic”. I have taken several upper division college course of religion, including the Bible as History and Comparative religion, and altho I have cracked upon the Koran more than many here, I am in no way a ‘expert’. (Heck, after being tied in Talmudic knots by a Rabbinical\* student\*, I can’t even claim to be a Bible expert) Are you a Follower of the Prophet? Do _you_ have “any kind of education in the Quran, the Hadith, the tafsir”? ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2015, 4:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-some-passages-in-the-quran-that-are-clearly-offensive-to-modern-sensibilities/737787/55 "2015-11-21T04:54:59Z")
How about the more than a hundred verses where the believers are ordered to kill the non-believers? > **[The Quran's Verses of Violence](https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/violence.aspx)** > > A sampling of violence in the Quran. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2015, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-some-passages-in-the-quran-that-are-clearly-offensive-to-modern-sensibilities/737787/56 "2015-11-22T20:25:25Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Do _you_ have “any kind of education in the Quran, the Hadith, the tafsir”? So, the answer is “no” I see. 'Cause if you did, and you wanted to educate us and actually post something that was on point to the OP rather than vague insults without any cites to back them up and hijacks, you could have easily counter-pointed my cite by admitting that yes, Verse 4:34 is an actual verse of the Koran, _but_ : There’s commentary about that verse, and \*I even gave you the cite \*for that commentary (which you clearly didnt even both to read). Namely that "\*In light of the discussion on women, this lesson focuses on verse thirty-four of chapter four (surat al-Nisa) of the Qur’an. Before delving into the verse, one must understand that Islam does not sponsor the mistreatment of women. Individuals may mistreat women based on their misconceptions or culture, but just because a person, who claims to be a Muslim, does something wrong does not mean Islam is wrong (e.g., Adolf Hitler claimed to be a Christian, but is it fair to blame Christianity for his actions?). Now, there are some who pick and choose certain verses from the Qur’an to condemn Islam. However, if one really wants to seek truth, then one must analyze a subject honestly and consider the totality of the circumstances…"\* and so forth. Or, that there are several different translations of that verse. But instead you had to leave that up to a poor doubting Christian, rather than trying to educate us. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2015, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-some-passages-in-the-quran-that-are-clearly-offensive-to-modern-sensibilities/737787/57 "2015-11-22T20:41:21Z")
Funny demarche. As I have said elsewhere on this board, I have a graduate degree in the subject of Islamic studies and history, although it is my graduate degree in the economics that is more interesting. No, it is you who I have no interest exchanging with, having seen the willful distortions practiced, here in this thread, with Dibble and others in the ATMB, and in subjects that some persons are banned from discussing… that says much My only responses to you are [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=18876564&postcount=49](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=18876564&postcount=49) and [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=18876431&postcount=45](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=18876431&postcount=45) I find no reason to comment on claims I never made with a person with a habit of tedious distortions. ---
**Author:** ![dougie\_monty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@dougie\_monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougie_monty)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2015, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-some-passages-in-the-quran-that-are-clearly-offensive-to-modern-sensibilities/737787/58 "2015-11-22T21:12:32Z")
I know no Arabic, and am quite unfamiliar with the Quran. I would be interested to see that entire fourth chapter–in English–in order to have a clear idea of the context, for a proper understanding of Verse 34. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2015, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-some-passages-in-the-quran-that-are-clearly-offensive-to-modern-sensibilities/737787/59 "2015-11-22T22:52:27Z")
> [@Ramira](#): > > Funny demarche. > As I have said elsewhere on this board, I have a graduate degree in the subject of Islamic studies and history, although it is my graduate degree in the economics that is more interesting. > I find no reason to comment on claims I never made with a person with a habit of tedious distortions. Ah, _ad hominem_ attacks. And if you are such a expert, why couldnt you come up with any reasoned or expert counters to anything posted here, instead of hijacks and personal remarks? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-some-passages-in-the-quran-that-are-clearly-offensive-to-modern-sensibilities/737787.md?page=2)