# What are the biggest "fuck yous" from creators to fanbases? (OPEN SPOILERS) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 28, 2005, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-the-biggest-fuck-yous-from-creators-to-fanbases-open-spoilers/328240 "2005-10-28T01:43:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Mr.Goob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c77e96/32.png) [@Mr.Goob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Goob)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2005, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-the-biggest-fuck-yous-from-creators-to-fanbases-open-spoilers/328240/41 "2005-10-28T15:04:19Z")
A little different direction, at one point David Bowie swore he was never going to play his old stuff again and concentrate on Tin Machine. There was one little problem, Tin Machine really sucked. Of the hundreds and hundreds of CD’s I have this would be at the top of the list to ask for my money back and ask for compensation for my pain and suffering. How does this apply to the fan base? People go to shows and expect to hear some of the old popular stuff that they enjoyed from the band. It’s usually mixed with the new little more unfamilliar stuff. To not play anything hits for the audience I think is a big FU. ---
**Author:** ![C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b2d939/32.png) [@C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/C_K_Dexter_Haven)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2005, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-the-biggest-fuck-yous-from-creators-to-fanbases-open-spoilers/328240/42 "2005-10-28T15:31:29Z")
Moderator offers suggestion: It’s difficult in a thread like this to not spoil endings for those who haven’t yet read/seen the work. So I’ve added a “Spoilers” warning to the thread title, but of course someone won’t know what’s being spoiled until it’s too late. I hope that means those who don’t like spoilers will just avoid the thread, but… who knows. Anyhow, if you are revealing an ending or twist, please use spoiler tags… and be sure that the non-hidden part of you post tells people what the work is. ---
**Author:** ![scotandrsn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a4c791/32.png) [@scotandrsn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scotandrsn)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2005, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-the-biggest-fuck-yous-from-creators-to-fanbases-open-spoilers/328240/43 "2005-10-28T15:50:28Z")
Louisa May Alcott deliberately remained unmarried her entire life. She got so sick of Little Women fans demanding that Jo (based on Alcott herself) get married (presumably to neighbor-boy Laurie), that when she published an extension to the book, she married Jo off to some professor years her elder, and pawned Laurie off on Jo’s sister, Amy. In an edition of her collected letters that I read once, she writes to an acquaintance that she did that with the deliberate intent of pissing off fans who were whining about Jo’s persistent single status. ---
**Author:** ![ftg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ftg/32/2801_2.png) [@ftg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ftg)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2005, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-the-biggest-fuck-yous-from-creators-to-fanbases-open-spoilers/328240/44 "2005-10-28T15:59:14Z")
43 posts and no mention of the infamous “Terrence and Phillip” episode of South Park that aired when fans were expecting the Who is Cartman’s Father episode? ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2005, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-the-biggest-fuck-yous-from-creators-to-fanbases-open-spoilers/328240/45 "2005-10-28T16:12:27Z")
Anne Rice’s threatening legal action against Fan Fic writers and her “Dickensean” rant was a major fuck you to a rabidly loyal fan base. Another vote for final episode of _Roseanne_ and for the last episode of _St. Elsewhere_ (which had also taken to cannibalizing its characters). Nothing matches the midichlorians or Jar-Jar’s role in the Second Movie (after fans made it amazingly clear what they thought of him in the First), though, as major Up Thine’s to fans. ---
**Author:** ![Scott\_Plaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Scott\_Plaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scott_Plaid)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2005, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-the-biggest-fuck-yous-from-creators-to-fanbases-open-spoilers/328240/46 "2005-10-28T16:16:00Z")
I seem to recall that Metaallica got popular due to a liberal policy of allowing taping at early shows. Then they got into this whole Napster nonsense. Ninnies! ---
**Author:** ![Silentgoldfish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e36b37/32.png) [@Silentgoldfish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silentgoldfish)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2005, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-the-biggest-fuck-yous-from-creators-to-fanbases-open-spoilers/328240/47 "2005-10-28T16:19:13Z")
> [@ftg](#): > > 43 posts and no mention of the infamous “Terrence and Phillip” episode of South Park that aired when fans were expecting the Who is Cartman’s Father episode? That wasn’t an FU as much as a joke gone wrong; they had no idea people would be THAT incensed at having to wait another week for _Cartman’s mum is still a dirty slut_. Quite frankly, I agree with them as it boggles the mind that there are people who actually watch Southpark for plot and continuity! ---
**Author:** ![kushiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bbce88/32.png) [@kushiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kushiel)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2005, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-the-biggest-fuck-yous-from-creators-to-fanbases-open-spoilers/328240/48 "2005-10-28T16:36:08Z")
He wasn’t exactly the creator, but Jackson leaving out Tom Bombadil and the Scouring of the Shire pissed pretty much everyone off. I’m also a bit angry at Kazushi Hagiwara - hello, you leave your most popular series for a few years due to mental health problems, and then come back only to start redrawing the early chapters instead of making new ones, then stop redrawing the early chapters and go back to making new ones? Way to fuck with our heads. Not that many people are Bastard!! fans, but still. ---
**Author:** ![Jenny\_Haniver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Jenny\_Haniver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jenny_Haniver)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2005, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-the-biggest-fuck-yous-from-creators-to-fanbases-open-spoilers/328240/49 "2005-10-28T16:40:38Z")
Re **Serenity** : > [@FinnAgain](#): > > Well… We know that Book worked for tha alliance, probably had high ranking clearance. We find this out when he’s wounded and they alliance drops everything to help him once they get his ident card. The merc who breaks onto Serenity also says of the Shepherd “He’s no shepherd.” In the episode where they rescue Mal from torture, Book knows how to use a rifle pretty well. In the episode where the crew is transporting a supposed corpse of an old war buddy, Book knows enough about the aliance military protocol to totally stymie a rogue agent who’s chasing them. > > All of this taken together is quite tantalizing, and part of Book’s character was that he was mysterious. > > But, if I had to hypothesize: > > Book was an assasin for the alliance, much like the assasin from the movie. That would explain his knowledge of the alliance, his high ranking clearance, as well as the reason he decided to become a shepherd, most likely to attone for his sins. I interpreted the exchange as Book’s way of telling Mal that he had been an Operative. He explains what an Operative is right before Mal makes the comment about how Book will one day need to tell him how he knows this. Book says, “No, I don’t.” Meaning: he just _did_ tell him. However, Joss Whedon is not above giving an F You to the fans. I’d say the last season of **Buffy** made that pretty clear. I second the last episode of **Quantum Leap**. ---
**Author:** ![Silentgoldfish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e36b37/32.png) [@Silentgoldfish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silentgoldfish)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2005, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-the-biggest-fuck-yous-from-creators-to-fanbases-open-spoilers/328240/50 "2005-10-28T16:46:27Z")
> [@kushiel](#): > > He wasn’t exactly the creator, but Jackson leaving out Tom Bombadil and the Scouring of the Shire pissed pretty much everyone off. Again, that wasn’t a fuck you, that was part of the process of turning a massive book into a watchable movie. I’ve never heard of it pissing off anyone but the most anal of fans, and you could never please those wankers anyway. ---
**Author:** ![iamthewalrus\_3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/258eb7/32.png) [@iamthewalrus\_3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iamthewalrus_3)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2005, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-the-biggest-fuck-yous-from-creators-to-fanbases-open-spoilers/328240/51 "2005-10-28T16:54:02Z")
> [@kushiel](#): > > He wasn’t exactly the creator, but Jackson leaving out Tom Bombadil and the Scouring of the Shire pissed pretty much everyone off. Didn’t piss me off. The movies would have been much poorer with those inclusions. ---
**Author:** ![FriarTed](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/friarted/32/1052_2.png) [@FriarTed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FriarTed)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2005, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-the-biggest-fuck-yous-from-creators-to-fanbases-open-spoilers/328240/52 "2005-10-28T16:58:14Z")
> [@kushiel](#): > > He wasn’t exactly the creator, but Jackson leaving out Tom Bombadil and the Scouring of the Shire pissed pretty much everyone off. I was irritated by both (mostly dropping the Scouring) but I seldom heard any great outcries. Heck, on these boards, many were celebrating the lack of Bombadil. ---
**Author:** ![divemaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/divemaster/32/78_2.png) [@divemaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/divemaster)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2005, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-the-biggest-fuck-yous-from-creators-to-fanbases-open-spoilers/328240/53 "2005-10-28T17:12:21Z")
> [@MaxTheVool](#): > > For the record, I thought the ending of the _Dark Tower_ series was fantastic. Yeah, me too. I wasn’t expecting it, it had an emotional impact for me setting up Roland as sort of an eternal tragic figure and I thought it played fair. I thought it “worked” just fine. For those of you who have now decided not to read any further than you’ve gotten so far, well, I hope this thread is not the only reason because (as King discusses), what about the journey? Or is it all just about if it “ends good”? * * * I’m not a Star Wars fanboy but I still think Lucas is giving his fans the finger with his “I don’t care what my movie meant to you and how it was a part of your coming of age or whatever, I’m changing it anyway so go pound sand” attitude. ---
**Author:** ![thwartme](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecc23a/32.png) [@thwartme](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thwartme)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2005, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-the-biggest-fuck-yous-from-creators-to-fanbases-open-spoilers/328240/54 "2005-10-28T17:38:13Z")
It probably didn’t annoy quite as many people as some of these others, but the “ending” of the one-season Fox series “John Doe” was a huge F.U. to anyone keen on it. In a nutshell, they left it at a big “Oh My God!” cliffhanger, even though they hadn’t yet been renewed for a second season. So when the series didn’t get picked up, the cliffhanger was never resolved. Bastards. Of course, Fox has a long history of killing good shows too early, but this one I blame on the creative team behind the series. Why do a cliffhanger if you don’t know when or even if you’ll be able to do the follow-up? thwartme ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2005, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-the-biggest-fuck-yous-from-creators-to-fanbases-open-spoilers/328240/55 "2005-10-28T17:57:35Z")
> [@kushiel](#): > > He wasn’t exactly the creator, but Jackson leaving out Tom Bombadil and the Scouring of the Shire pissed pretty much everyone off. I’ll have to pipe in as well and say that most people were quite PLEASED Bombadil was left out. It would have made for a longer and worse movie. People seemed split on the Scouring, but I’d have to say I was pleased it was dumped, too. ---
**Author:** ![Trunk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/87869e/32.png) [@Trunk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trunk)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2005, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-the-biggest-fuck-yous-from-creators-to-fanbases-open-spoilers/328240/56 "2005-10-28T18:12:20Z")
Man, the scouring felt tacked onto the end of the book, making it excessively long. The movie had enough problems getting the ending done as it was. The entire point of the scouring episode just seemed to be to show the hobbit’s “growth”. . .as if you hadn’t already been beaten over the head with that point for the previous 800 pages. ---
**Author:** ![ddgryphon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/8c91f0/32.png) [@ddgryphon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ddgryphon)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2005, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-the-biggest-fuck-yous-from-creators-to-fanbases-open-spoilers/328240/57 "2005-10-28T18:17:20Z")
> [@Lochdale](#): > > I like your version better. After 5 books I just gave up. Enough is enough. Really I only got through 2 before I decided it wasn’t going anywhere and gave up. I actually bought and started the third, but quit after about 50 pages realizing I hated reading it more than I do John Irving. ---
**Author:** ![mrklutz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ebca7d/32.png) [@mrklutz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mrklutz)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2005, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-the-biggest-fuck-yous-from-creators-to-fanbases-open-spoilers/328240/58 "2005-10-28T18:23:38Z")
I think George Lucas’ refusal to release the Star Wars movies on DVD as they aired in the theater would count as a huge bird flipped to the fans. It’s basically saying, “I know what you should like, regardless of what you may think you like.” Han shot first, dammit. ---
**Author:** ![TJVM](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b38774/32.png) [@TJVM](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TJVM)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2005, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-the-biggest-fuck-yous-from-creators-to-fanbases-open-spoilers/328240/59 "2005-10-28T18:25:31Z")
I nominate “Hannibal,” the sequel to “Silence of the Lambs,” and in particular the ending, wherein Clarice Starling and Hannibal the Cannibal start a weird romantic/sexual relationship and ride off into the sunset together. As I read it, I felt like I could hear Thomas Harris saying, “Oh, you want another Hannibal book? Okay, here’s your Hannibal book, _right here!_” ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2005, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-the-biggest-fuck-yous-from-creators-to-fanbases-open-spoilers/328240/60 "2005-10-28T18:45:43Z")
> [@iamthewalrus(:3=](#): > > Didn’t piss me off. The movies would have been much poorer with those inclusions. Oh come on. A strangely magical man in a funny hat who walks around singing about himself? What’s not to love? Just joking. I always thought that it was a stupidly pointless part, personally. JRRT needed an editor. Badly. -Joe [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-the-biggest-fuck-yous-from-creators-to-fanbases-open-spoilers/328240.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-the-biggest-fuck-yous-from-creators-to-fanbases-open-spoilers/328240.md?page=4)