# What are the crumbs on the bottom of an English Muffin? **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [February 10, 2007, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-the-crumbs-on-the-bottom-of-an-english-muffin/391612 "2007-02-10T13:37:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Quiddity\_Glomfuster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/c4cdca/32.png) [@Quiddity\_Glomfuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quiddity_Glomfuster)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2007, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-the-crumbs-on-the-bottom-of-an-english-muffin/391612/21 "2007-02-10T22:18:13Z")
[QUOTE=jjimm] a “crumpet” is texturally nothing like a muffin, more like a bathroom sponge, and is cleverly designed to allow the melted butter to drip through the bottom, all over your shirt. [/QUOTE] OK, LOL damnit because I AM! 😛 ---
**Author:** ![WhyNot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c77e96/32.png) [@WhyNot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WhyNot)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2007, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-the-crumbs-on-the-bottom-of-an-english-muffin/391612/22 "2007-02-10T22:32:25Z")
[QUOTE=jjimm] **WhyNot** , I regret to disagree with you, but I assure you that “English muffins” are indeed available here, and have been since I was a tiny wee lad at least, and almost certainly a whole lot longer. They are, of course, just called “muffins” (for the same reasons that you call “American football” merely “football”). [/QUOTE] Obviously, the next time I come to the UK, I’ll have to stay with you, 'cause I couldn’t find them ANYWHERE! It became sort of a running joke that English muffins weren’t English. Durn it. That’s it. Y’all have English Muffins AND clotted cream. The fact that I thought the two were forever separated by an ocean is the only reason I’ve stayed here this long. ---
**Author:** ![Queuing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/90ced4/32.png) [@Queuing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Queuing)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2007, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-the-crumbs-on-the-bottom-of-an-english-muffin/391612/23 "2007-02-11T04:50:42Z")
What is clotted cream? ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2007, 10:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-the-crumbs-on-the-bottom-of-an-english-muffin/391612/24 "2007-02-11T10:09:12Z")
[Clotted cream is a different thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=406973). And it’s yummy. ---
**Author:** ![Sir\_Doris](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@Sir\_Doris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sir_Doris)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2007, 11:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-the-crumbs-on-the-bottom-of-an-english-muffin/391612/25 "2007-02-11T11:53:02Z")
I just thought I’d add that bread product nomenclature tends to be regional and can lead to confusion and debate. Crumpets may be known as pikelets, a bread roll may have various names according to shape and texture and where in the country you happen to be. However, in my experience a muffin is a muffin, wherever I’ve been. And is commonly available is pretty much any supermarket or bakery. ---
**Author:** ![WotNot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e19b73/32.png) [@WotNot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WotNot)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2007, 12:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-the-crumbs-on-the-bottom-of-an-english-muffin/391612/26 "2007-02-11T12:27:31Z")
[QUOTE=WhyNot] Obviously, the next time I come to the UK, I’ll have to stay with you, 'cause I couldn’t find them ANYWHERE! It became sort of a running joke that English muffins weren’t English. [/QUOTE] Where were you looking? It may seem a little odd from US perspective, but the British food market still has quite strong regional variations, particularly in the area of baked goods – an everyday bread product in one region will be entirely unknown (or at least hard to find) in other parts of the country. Muffins in particular seem to be a bit of an odd case: they were very popular with the Victorians, but seem not ever to have been home-made, but rather bought from the muffin men who sold them in the street and door-to-door (Mrs Beeton gives a recipe for them in her 1861 _Book of Household Management,_ but then immediately says “Muffins are not easily made, and are more generally purchased than manufactured at home.” which seems oddly self-defeating). As far as I can tell, they lost a lot of ground with the general disappearance of street-traders around the time of the First World War, and then suffered a second blow, and all but vanished, due to the shortages of WWII. They were revived in the 70s by the larger national and regional manufacturers, looking for speciality products to add to their range, in order to increase their market. All of which is a long-winded way of saying that the best place to look for them is the pre-packaged baked goods section of a national-chain supermarket. ---
**Author:** ![Rayne\_Man](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/df705f/32.png) [@Rayne\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rayne_Man)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2007, 12:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-the-crumbs-on-the-bottom-of-an-english-muffin/391612/27 "2007-02-11T12:29:11Z")
[QUOTE=Quiddity Glomfuster] [English Muffin](http://tinyurl.com/2ddfuv) [Crumpet](http://tinyurl.com/2349f7) See the big holes in the crumpet? Crumpets are less bready - almost a little like pancakes. It’s quite a different texture. All the big holes hold butter and jam very nicely. [/QUOTE] And just to confuse matters, we call them [Pikelets](http://www.greatbritishkitchen.co.uk/cg_muffins.htm) in my home town of Coventry. ---
**Author:** ![Capt.Ridley\_s\_Shooting\_Party](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/cc9497/32.png) [@Capt.Ridley\_s\_Shooting\_Party](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Capt.Ridley_s_Shooting_Party)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2007, 12:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-the-crumbs-on-the-bottom-of-an-english-muffin/391612/28 "2007-02-11T12:30:47Z")
[QUOTE=Sir Doris] Crumpets may be known as pikelets, a bread roll may have various names according to shape and texture and where in the country you happen to be. [/QUOTE] Yeah. Nobody outside of the North West seems to understand what a barm cake is. ---
**Author:** ![Rayne\_Man](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/df705f/32.png) [@Rayne\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rayne_Man)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2007, 12:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-the-crumbs-on-the-bottom-of-an-english-muffin/391612/29 "2007-02-11T12:38:16Z")
[QUOTE=Dominic Mulligan] Yeah. Nobody outside of the North West seems to understand what a barm cake is. [/QUOTE] Bread rolls are called batches in Coventry. ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2007, 12:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-the-crumbs-on-the-bottom-of-an-english-muffin/391612/30 "2007-02-11T12:43:12Z")
[QUOTE=Dominic Mulligan] Yeah. Nobody outside of the North West seems to understand what a barm cake is. [/QUOTE] That’s funny - in Ireland at Hallowe’en they traditionally serve “barm brack”, which is a fruit cake. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2007, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-the-crumbs-on-the-bottom-of-an-english-muffin/391612/31 "2007-02-11T13:05:07Z")
[QUOTE=John Mace] Probably all three are descended from a common ancestor. . . . . According to wikipedia: > [@](#): > > The word “muffin” appeared as a word in Britain around the 11th century A.D. [/QUOTE] That would be my great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grandmuffin, Sir Thomas Culpeper the Recognitor (c. 1170) [http://gen.culpepper.com/ss/p8398.htm](http://gen.culpepper.com/ss/p8398.htm) ---
**Author:** ![WhyNot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c77e96/32.png) [@WhyNot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WhyNot)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2007, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-the-crumbs-on-the-bottom-of-an-english-muffin/391612/32 "2007-02-11T13:23:27Z")
[QUOTE=WotNot] Where were you looking? \ All of which is a long-winded way of saying that the best place to look for them is the pre-packaged baked goods section of a national-chain supermarket. [/QUOTE] And there’s the problem. I actively avoided such stores, under the philosophy that if I was enjoying small town life, I’d shop locally at small town stores. I can go to mega-marts at home. Ignorance fought! (Does this mean I can’t go shopping with **jjimm**? Oh well, probably for the best.) ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2007, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-the-crumbs-on-the-bottom-of-an-english-muffin/391612/33 "2007-02-11T15:52:39Z")
But small town stores get old Wonder Bread. ---
**Author:** ![casdave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c6cbf5/32.png) [@casdave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/casdave)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2007, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-the-crumbs-on-the-bottom-of-an-english-muffin/391612/34 "2007-02-11T16:01:10Z")
A ‘pikelet’ in these parts is very similar to a crumpet, however its about half as high as a crumpet, which means it toasts rather faster, but doens’t hold as much butter. Of course, despite what thehealth fascist may say, it is quite impossible to eat crumpets or pikelets with margerine, its butter or not at all, unless you have clotted cream with lashings of strawberry jam. ---
**Author:** ![Quiddity\_Glomfuster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/c4cdca/32.png) [@Quiddity\_Glomfuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quiddity_Glomfuster)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2007, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-the-crumbs-on-the-bottom-of-an-english-muffin/391612/35 "2007-02-11T16:06:03Z")
[QUOTE=WhyNot] And there’s the problem. I actively avoided such stores, under the philosophy that if I was enjoying small town life, I’d shop locally at small town stores. I can go to mega-marts at home. [/QUOTE] I always go to grocery stores when I’m travelling. They have different stuff! In Switzerland, we found mayonnaise and ketchup in tubes 🆒 . To me, it’s one of the treats of travel to see what kinds of foods other folks eat and how it’s packaged and presented for the regular consumer. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2007, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-the-crumbs-on-the-bottom-of-an-english-muffin/391612/36 "2007-02-11T16:06:58Z")
[QUOTE=Muffin] That would be my great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grandmuffin, Sir Thomas Culpeper the Recognitor (c. 1170) [http://gen.culpepper.com/ss/p8398.htm](http://gen.culpepper.com/ss/p8398.htm) [/QUOTE] Really? Or are you just punning on your handle? ---
**Author:** ![Common\_Tater](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/common_tater/32/13846_2.png) [@Common\_Tater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Common_Tater)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2007, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-the-crumbs-on-the-bottom-of-an-english-muffin/391612/37 "2007-02-11T16:16:41Z")
[QUOTE=Quiddity Glomfuster] I always go to grocery stores when I’m travelling. They have different stuff! In Switzerland, we found mayonnaise and ketchup in tubes 🆒 I took quite a liking to the Thomy brand of mustard-in-toothpaste-tube, the “scharfer senf” is to die for. Ditto for the sweet fancy mustards. The mayo 'n ketchup with stripes left me underwhelmed though it was very good product. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2007, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-the-crumbs-on-the-bottom-of-an-english-muffin/391612/38 "2007-02-11T17:51:40Z")
[QUOTE=Sage Rat] Really? Or are you just punning on your handle? [/QUOTE] Punning on my handle. My ancestor is real, but has nothing to do with muffins other than passing is DNA down to me. ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2007, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-the-crumbs-on-the-bottom-of-an-english-muffin/391612/39 "2007-02-11T20:11:10Z")
[QUOTE=WhyNot] (Does this mean I can’t go shopping with **jjimm**? Oh well, probably for the best.) [/QUOTE] ☹ I assure you I’m a perfectly charming shopping companion. ---
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[QUOTE=casdave] A ‘pikelet’ in these parts is very similar to a crumpet, however its about half as high as a crumpet, which means it toasts rather faster, but doens’t hold as much butter. [/quote] This seems to be the position that Marks and Spencer have adopted, too. Their pikelets are very thin but wide, whereas their crumpets are thicker and smaller in diameter. > [@](#): > > Of course, despite what thehealth fascist may say, it is quite impossible to eat crumpets or pikelets with margerine, its butter or not at all, unless you have clotted cream with lashings of strawberry jam. It’s impossible to enjoy _anything_ with margarine. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-the-crumbs-on-the-bottom-of-an-english-muffin/391612.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-the-crumbs-on-the-bottom-of-an-english-muffin/391612.md?page=3)