# What are the Must See OOC College Football Games of 2011?

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**Author:** ![Zeldar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/b77776/32.png) [@Zeldar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeldar)\
**Post date:** [July 12, 2011, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-the-must-see-ooc-college-football-games-of-2011/588735/21 "2011-07-12T19:05:23Z")

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Here’s a handy reference for Week 1 that may be useful for picking the games to follow:

[http://www.mattsarzsports.com/2011/Week1Text.aspx](http://www.mattsarzsports.com/2011/Week1Text.aspx)

It would appear that ABC and ESPN had a pissing contest that neither of them won:

Oregon vs. LSU  
(at Arlington, TX) ABC HD Sep 3 2011 8:00PM

Boise St. vs. Georgia  
(at Atlanta, GA) ESPN HD Sep 3 2011 8:00PM

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**Author:** ![notfrommensa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f14d63/32.png) [@notfrommensa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/notfrommensa)\
**Post date:** [July 12, 2011, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-the-must-see-ooc-college-football-games-of-2011/588735/22 "2011-07-12T19:33:37Z")

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Aren’t ABC/ESPN part of the same Disney family? Obviously, the LSU/Oregon is the headline game of the week. I am betting ESPN will be in Arlington for GameDay. The B-Game is Boise/UGA.

Does CBS still have the SEC game of the week? I don’t see any game in **Zeldar** ’s TV link

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**Author:** ![Zeldar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/b77776/32.png) [@Zeldar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeldar)\
**Post date:** [July 12, 2011, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-the-must-see-ooc-college-football-games-of-2011/588735/23 "2011-07-12T19:57:26Z")

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> [@notfrommensa](#):
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> Aren’t ABC/ESPN part of the same Disney family? Obviously, the LSU/Oregon is the headline game of the week. I am betting ESPN will be in Arlington for GameDay. The B-Game is Boise/UGA.
> 
> Does CBS still have the SEC game of the week? I don’t see any game in **Zeldar** ’s TV link

That’s what’s so amazing about the ESPN/ABC thing!

As for CBS, [Southeastern Conference](http://www.secdigitalnetwork.com/SECSports/Home.aspx) (bottom of page) shows several SEC games not yet scheduled for TV. Maybe CBS is waiting for some sign that one is a better draw then the others? Beats me.

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**Author:** ![Zeldar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/b77776/32.png) [@Zeldar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeldar)\
**Post date:** [July 12, 2011, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-the-must-see-ooc-college-football-games-of-2011/588735/24 "2011-07-12T20:44:50Z")

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> [@Zeldar](#):
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> As for CBS, [Southeastern Conference](http://www.secdigitalnetwork.com/SECSports/Home.aspx) (bottom of page) shows several SEC games not yet scheduled for TV. Maybe CBS is waiting for some sign that one is a better draw then the others? Beats me.

More details on CBS at [http://www.rbr.com/tv-cable/tv-programming/cbs-sports-puts-out-their-2011-sec-college-football-schedule.html](http://www.rbr.com/tv-cable/tv-programming/cbs-sports-puts-out-their-2011-sec-college-football-schedule.html)

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**Author:** ![Lamar\_Mundane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/85f322/32.png) [@Lamar\_Mundane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamar_Mundane)\
**Post date:** [July 12, 2011, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-the-must-see-ooc-college-football-games-of-2011/588735/25 "2011-07-12T21:27:06Z")

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> [@](#):
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> 1. Alabama at Penn State  
> When: Sept. 10

Wow. An SEC team is playing a competitive team outside of the South. That happens about once a decade or two.

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**Author:** ![notfrommensa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f14d63/32.png) [@notfrommensa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/notfrommensa)\
**Post date:** [July 12, 2011, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-the-must-see-ooc-college-football-games-of-2011/588735/26 "2011-07-12T21:53:55Z")

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::sigh:: I guess **Lamar Mundane** :rolleyes: wants to go through this argument once again, after I quashed it last year. IIRC, Last year he crowing about Wisconsin going to play at schools like UNLV and Fresno St. Big 10 schools like Wisconsin and Minnesota have to leave the region to play a non-conference BCS school. Iowa St is the closest BCS OOC school. Big Whoop.

FTR. Tennessee went to UCLA in 2008. UGA went to Ariz St in 2008 and Oklahoma St in 2009. LSU has gone to Arizona and Seattle to play games in the last few years. Auburn has gone to West Virgina. Yes, SEC teams play most of their OOC games in the region, mainly because there is a big overlapping BCS conference in the region. It is called the ACC.

The fact that the SEC doesn’t can hurt their recruiting. I live in Missouri and one of the “cons” of not joining the Big 10 was that they feared losing their big recruiting base in Texas. Kids know that Missouri is going to make at least one trip a year back to Texas while playing in the Big 12 (or whatever it is called). If they had joined the Big 10, Missouri would have lost a big chunk of their recruiting area. IMO, SEC teams are at a competitive disadvantage of recruits from Texas, Ohio, Michigan, Pennsylvania, etc.

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**Post date:** [July 13, 2011, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-the-must-see-ooc-college-football-games-of-2011/588735/27 "2011-07-13T02:23:04Z")

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> [@notfrommensa](#):
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> were you counting Bama fans? if not, then it would have likely been 400,000.

Oh yeah, that’s true. This is the time when I wish I still had my Penn State student season ticket…

I still might go just to walk down College Avenue, which will be nuts.

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**Post date:** [July 13, 2011, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-the-must-see-ooc-college-football-games-of-2011/588735/28 "2011-07-13T02:25:21Z")

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Florida is the only team that most definitely doesn’t leave the SE region for non-conference games, which of course means they don’t leave the region. Sure, they play FSU every year out of conference, but that sort of rivalry doesn’t stop South Carolina & Clemson, UGA & GT, Michigan (and MSU, and USC) & ND (bad example) from having 2 tough non-conference games every year. I think pretty much every other SEC team has left the region for a non-conference game against another BCS conference team, and surely some of them will line up 2 tough non-conference games every now and then. Florida is the exception, but they’re punks.

/Go Canes!

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**Author:** ![notfrommensa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f14d63/32.png) [@notfrommensa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/notfrommensa)\
**Post date:** [July 13, 2011, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-the-must-see-ooc-college-football-games-of-2011/588735/29 "2011-07-13T03:55:41Z")

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I don’t think South Carolina has left SEC/Carolina region since they joined the SEC in the regular season. Again, they play BCS opponents that are just a couple hundred miles away. Clemson, TarHeels, NC St Wolfpack.

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**Author:** ![Zeldar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/b77776/32.png) [@Zeldar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeldar)\
**Post date:** [July 13, 2011, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-the-must-see-ooc-college-football-games-of-2011/588735/30 "2011-07-13T15:53:58Z")

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> [@Zeldar](#):
>
> Check out [The Best of Recruiting and High School Sports](http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=rivals-1210668) for
> 
> Quote:  
> TOP 12 NON-CONFERENCE GAMES OF 2011
> 
> 1. San Diego State at Michigan  
> When: Sept. 24
> 
> 2. Pittsburgh at Iowa  
> When: Sept. 17
> 
> 3. Arizona at Oklahoma State  
> When: Sept. 10
> 
> 4. Arizona State at Illinois  
> When: Sept. 17
> 
> 5. LSU at West Virginia  
> When: Sept. 24
> 
> 6. Alabama at Penn State  
> When: Sept. 10
> 
> 7. BYU at Texas  
> When: Sept. 10
> 
> 8. Missouri at Arizona State  
> When: Sept. 10
> 
> 9. Ohio State at Miami  
> When: Sept. 17
> 
> 10. Boise State vs. Georgia in Atlanta  
> When: Sept. 3
> 
> 11. Oklahoma at Florida State  
> When: Sept. 17
> 
> 12. LSU vs. Oregon in Arlington, Texas  
> When: Sept. 3  
> Mike Huguenin is the college sports editor for [Rivals.com](http://Rivals.com). He can be reached at [mhuguenin@rivals.com](mailto:mhuguenin@rivals.com).

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Here’s a list built in January to compare with Huguenin’s. It’s from [Top 10 OOC Games for the 2011 College Football Season | More Sports](http://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/p/23862578/Top-10-OOC-Games-for-the-2011-College-Football-Season.aspx)

> [@](#):
>
> Top 10 OOC Games for the 2011 College Football Season (Posted on 1/11/11 at 10:24 p.m.)
> 
> * * *
> 
> This is my own top 10…these are the games that will have major impact on the national scene, never too early to look ahead
> 
> 1. Oregon vs. LSU 9/3 Arlington, Tx
> 
> 2. Oklahoma @ Florida State 9/17 Tallahassee, FL
> 
> 3. Boise State vs UGA 9/3 Atlanta, GA
> 
> 4. Alabama @ Penn State 9/10 State College, PA
> 
> 5. Ohio State @ Miami 9/17 Miami, FL
> 
> 6. Texas A&M vs Arkansas 10/1 Arlington, TX
> 
> 7. Notre Dame @ Stanford 11/26 Palo Alto, CA
> 
> 8. TCU @ Baylor 9/3 Dallas, TX
> 
> 9. Oklahoma State @ Arizona 9/10 Tucson, AZ
> 
> 10. Texas @ UCLA 9/17 Pasadena, CA

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I would have thought that by now there would be plenty of similar lists out. I must not be searching properly. Have you seen others?

This might be an easier task if we limit our lists to those OOC games for our favorite conferences, instead of the entire Division I field. Just a thought.

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**Author:** ![notfrommensa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f14d63/32.png) [@notfrommensa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/notfrommensa)\
**Post date:** [July 13, 2011, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-the-must-see-ooc-college-football-games-of-2011/588735/31 "2011-07-13T16:44:38Z")

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**Zeldar** , CFB just doesn’t have that many marquee OOC games. Most the top teams typically only schedule 1 top tier OOC team, and they are scheduled way ahead of time. And it could be a victim of timing. When the teams agreed to play each other, both teams might have been a perennial contender for a National title (eg: Notre Dame, Florida State, Miami) and are no longer a serious threat.

I don’t think anyone would think Florida State would be struggling to go to bowl games after the years they had in the 1990’s and early 2000’s. But that is exactly what has happened and many people are dismissing the Gator’s OOC schedule because FSU is down.

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**Post date:** [July 13, 2011, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-the-must-see-ooc-college-football-games-of-2011/588735/32 "2011-07-13T17:18:50Z")

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> [@notfrommensa](#):
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> **Zeldar** , CFB just doesn’t have that many marquee OOC games. Most the top teams typically only schedule 1 top tier OOC team, and they are scheduled way ahead of time. And it could be a victim of timing. When the teams agreed to play each other, both teams might have been a perennial contender for a National title (eg: Notre Dame, Florida State, Miami) and are no longer a serious threat.
> 
> I don’t think anyone would think Florida State would be struggling to go to bowl games after the years they had in the 1990’s and early 2000’s. But that is exactly what has happened and many people are dismissing the Gator’s OOC schedule because FSU is down.

## You make excellent points, **notfrommensa** , and I suspect whatever list of “must-see” OOC games we come up with will be nothing as exciting or as “must see” as this list from January at [College Football Preview: The Top 25 Must-See Games in 2011](http://bleacherreport.com/articles/576160-college-football-2011-25-must-see-games-in-2011)

> [@](#):
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> College Football Preview: The Top 25 Must-See Games in 2011  
> By Dmitriy Ioselevich(Featured Columnist) on January 19, 2011
> 
> LSU at Oregon (Sept. 3)  
> Georgia at Boise State (Sept. 3)  
> Texas Tech at TCU (Sept. 10)  
> Alabama at Florida (Oct. 1)  
> Nebraska at Wisconsin (Oct. 1)
> 
> Texas at Oklahoma (Oct. 8)  
> Florida at LSU (Oct. 8)  
> Michigan at Michigan State (Oct. 15)  
> Florida at Auburn (Oct. 15)  
> Wisconsin at Michigan State (Oct. 22)
> 
> Auburn at LSU (Oct. 22)  
> Arkansas at Ole Miss (Oct. 22)  
> USC at Notre Dame (Oct. 22)  
> Stanford at USC (Oct. 29)  
> Wisconsin at Ohio State (Oct. 29)
> 
> Michigan State at Nebraska (Oct. 29)  
> Texas A&M at Oklahoma (Nov. 5)  
> Oregon at Stanford (Nov. 12)  
> Texas at Texas A&M (Nov. 24)  
> Oklahoma at Oklahoma State (Nov. 26)
> 
> Notre Dame at Stanford (Nov. 26)  
> Ole Miss at Mississippi State (Nov. 26)  
> Florida State at Florida (Nov. 26)  
> Ohio State at Michigan (Nov. 26)  
> Alabama at Auburn (Nov. 26)

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Precious few of those are OOC games!

And it you read the actual article(s) there’s much that has changed since January, so even this list probably needs revising.

Still, it’s a way to kill time until kickoff!

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**Post date:** [July 13, 2011, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-the-must-see-ooc-college-football-games-of-2011/588735/33 "2011-07-13T18:54:16Z")

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Here’s an interesting article for SEC fans:

[http://www.southernpigskin.com/SEC/view/sec-out-of-conference](http://www.southernpigskin.com/SEC/view/sec-out-of-conference)  
SEC Out of Conference  
By Jeremy Hillman

> **[SEC - ACC - SoCon College Football News - Southern Pigskin](http://southernpigskin.com)**
>
> Find the latest news on players and recruiting in the SEC, ACC & SoCon college football conferences with exclusive content from Southern Pigskin. Check out our discussion forum to discuss college football in the South!

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And this is the SEC OOC Schedule (courtesy of Yahoo! Sports) that you may want to work with and see how many (if any) are “must see” games.

SEC OOC 2011

EAST

Florida  
Sat, Sep 3 Florida Atlantic  
Sat, Sep 10 UAB  
Sat, Nov 19 Furman  
Sat, Nov 26 Florida State

Georgia  
Sat, Sep 3 Boise State  
Sat, Sep 17 Coastal Carolina  
Sat, Nov 5 New Mexico State  
Sat, Nov 26 at Georgia Tech

Kentucky  
Thu, Sep 1 at Western Kentucky  
Sat, Sep 10 Central Michigan  
Sat, Sep 17 Louisville  
Sat, Oct 22 Jacksonville State

South Carolina  
Sat, Sep 3 at East Carolina  
Sat, Sep 17 Navy  
Sat, Nov 19 Citadel  
Sat, Nov 26 Clemson

Tennessee  
Sat, Sep 3 Montana  
Sat, Sep 10 Cincinnati  
Sat, Oct 1 Buffalo  
Sat, Nov 5 Middle Tennessee

Vanderbilt  
Sat, Sep 3 Elon  
Sat, Sep 10 Connecticut  
Sat, Oct 22 Army  
Sat, Nov 26 at Wake Forest

WEST

Alabama  
Sat, Sep 3 Kent State  
Sat, Sep 10 at Penn State  
Sat, Sep 17 North Texas  
Sat, Nov 19 Georgia Southern

Arkansas  
Sat, Sep 3 Missouri State  
Sat, Sep 10 at New Mexico  
Sat, Sep 17 Troy  
Sat, Oct 1 at Texas A&M

Auburn  
Sat, Sep 3 Utah State  
Sat, Sep 17 at Clemson  
Sat, Sep 24 Florida Atlantic  
Sat, Nov 19 Samford

LSU  
Sat, Sep 3 at Oregon  
Sat, Sep 10 Northwestern State  
Sat, Sep 24 at West Virginia  
Sat, Nov 12 Western Kentucky

Mississippi  
Sat, Sep 3 Brigham Young  
Sat, Sep 10 Southern Illinois  
Sat, Oct 1 at Fresno State  
Sat, Nov 12 Louisiana Tech

Mississippi State  
Thu, Sep 1 at Memphis  
Sat, Sep 24 Louisiana Tech  
Sat, Oct 8 at UAB  
Sat, Nov 5 Tennessee-Martin

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**Author:** ![notfrommensa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f14d63/32.png) [@notfrommensa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/notfrommensa)\
**Post date:** [July 13, 2011, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-the-must-see-ooc-college-football-games-of-2011/588735/34 "2011-07-13T20:11:37Z")

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Not too impressive: I took the time to develop a NFM ranking of OOC strength.

4 = against a perennial top ~10 football team  
3 = against any BCS school or one that plays like a BCS school. (eg BYU)  
2 = Non BCS Div I-A school  
1 = Div I-AA School

Florida 8  
UGA 9  
UK 8  
USC 8  
UT 8  
Vandy 9  
Bama 9  
ARK 8  
AUB 8  
LSU 10  
Miss 8  
MSU 7

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**Author:** ![Zeldar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/b77776/32.png) [@Zeldar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeldar)\
**Post date:** [July 13, 2011, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-the-must-see-ooc-college-football-games-of-2011/588735/35 "2011-07-13T20:42:41Z")

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> [@notfrommensa](#):
>
> Not too impressive: I took the time to develop a NFM ranking of OOC strength.
> 
> 4 = against a perennial top ~10 football team  
> 3 = against any BCS school or one that plays like a BCS school. (eg BYU)  
> 2 = Non BCS Div I-A school  
> 1 = Div I-AA School
> 
> Florida 8  
> UGA 9  
> UK 8  
> USC 8  
> UT 8  
> Vandy 9  
> Bama 9  
> ARK 8  
> AUB 8  
> LSU 10  
> Miss 8  
> MSU 7

To be sure I interpret the NFM measure ( **notfrommensa**?) properly, is it for the upcoming season and the opponents being played? A “perfect” score would then be 16 with all four OOC opponents being “against a perennial top ~10 football team” teams? and the lowest possible would be 4? Or would it be even less?

On the basis of your scoring system, who do you suppose in the FBS has the best score this season? Wild guess?

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**Author:** ![notfrommensa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f14d63/32.png) [@notfrommensa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/notfrommensa)\
**Post date:** [July 13, 2011, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-the-must-see-ooc-college-football-games-of-2011/588735/36 "2011-07-13T21:16:02Z")

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For schools that have 8 conference games, yes 16 perfect score in the **NFM** scale. Not going to happen. PAC-12 schools play 9 conference games so the best that they can do is 12 points.

Upon further review, I probably should have made it a 5 point schedule, adding a level to between 3 and 4 for really good BCS schools that are in the top 25 semi-regularly. That would pick up schools like FSU, West Virginia, Tex A/M, and Clemson to differentiate them from the Dukes, Iowa States and the Indianas of the BCS conferences.

So going with that scale, 20 points would be the max and I would be shocked if any conference school would be over 13 points. with the new and improved NFM scale, the SEC would look something like:

Florida 9 (elevated FSU from a 3 to a 4)  
UGA 11 (elevated BYU and GT from a 3 to a 4). GT is my alma mater and it is my scale!  
UK 8  
USC 9 (elevated Clemson from a 3 to a 4)  
UT 8  
Vandy 9  
Bama 10 (elevated PSU from a 4 to a 5)  
ARK 9 (elevated Tex A/M from a 3 to a 4)  
AUB 9 (elevated Clemson from a 3 to a 4)  
LSU 11 (elevated Oregon from a 4 to a 5)  
Miss 8  
MSU 7

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**Post date:** [July 13, 2011, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-the-must-see-ooc-college-football-games-of-2011/588735/37 "2011-07-13T21:29:42Z")

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The 5-scale is my personal preference over the 4-scale, for the reasons you state.

Do you have a feel for which team or which conference has better NFM scores yet?

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**Post date:** [July 13, 2011, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-the-must-see-ooc-college-football-games-of-2011/588735/38 "2011-07-13T22:32:19Z")

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If I took the time to analyze all the conferences, PAC12 conference would probably have the highest avg per team. (but they have only 3 OOC games, if 2011 is like recent years). IMO, Big 12 would probably have the lowest average. Big 10 would probably be rated very close to the SEC, depending a little on whether Notre Dame is level 3 or level 4 opponent. Recent history would say that ND should be a category 3. ACC might rank the highest as they typically schedule more OOC BCS teams per school than any other conference.

According to the [colley matrix](http://www.colleyrankings.com/foot2010/conf16.html), in 2010 ACC played 19 OOC against BCS (including ND) teams. 1.58 BCS team/school. SEC, Big 10, Big 12 and PAC 10 are noticeably lower than that. PAC10 was handicapped by 3 OOC games and the Big East has more, but they have 5 OOC games.

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**Post date:** [July 13, 2011, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-the-must-see-ooc-college-football-games-of-2011/588735/39 "2011-07-13T22:50:21Z")

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I only counted regular season scheduled games, not bowl games. The colley matrix included bowl games.

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> [@BobLibDem](#):
>
> Notre Dame vs Michigan and Michigan State should be great games. ND should be better being one more year removed from Charlie W. Michigan is going to be much better this year with RichRod gone. Brady Hoke seems to have the players bought into him already from what I hear. MSU and ND always seem to put on a good show, though it will be hard to top last year’s fake FG win for MSU.

These two games should definitely be on the list. The situation at ND is a big unknown. Can a coaching change turn it around? They have always had the recruits but most of the blue chip recruits that put them at the top of the recruiting lists have been huge disappointments. It’s a program that survives on smoke and mirrors.

UM had talent that was totally misused and abused under RichRod. Can a new coach mine the available talent? NCAA sanctions will have an effect but to what degree?

MSU overachieved due to great coaching but then got exposed by Alabama in the bowl game due to not being able to play with them at the same level with them in the non-skilled positions. The line play was a total mismatch.

The point being that those games will tell us a lot about the true status of all three programs. It’s not so much about who wins or who loses but may say a lot about what their true direction is.

Are any of the three programs on the road to competing for a NC or is the system so rigged in favor of the SEC that it is all a farce?

(It’s probably all a farce.)

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