# What are the odds on Hilary in 2008? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [November 3, 2004, 12:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-the-odds-on-hilary-in-2008/272728 "2004-11-03T12:02:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Waccoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Waccoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Waccoe)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 12:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-the-odds-on-hilary-in-2008/272728/1 "2004-11-03T12:02:38Z")
What would the bookies say? What would you say? ---
**Author:** ![Who\_me\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/958977/32.png) [@Who\_me\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Who_me_1)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 12:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-the-odds-on-hilary-in-2008/272728/2 "2004-11-03T12:14:37Z")
I’d say that I have no idea whether she intends to run in 2008. If she does run I have no idea whether she’ll have a chance. ---
**Author:** ![samclem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@samclem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/samclem)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 12:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-the-odds-on-hilary-in-2008/272728/3 "2004-11-03T12:38:06Z")
Opinions and polls are better suited to IMHO, unless they are monumental, then they go to GD, unless they are full of bile, then they go to BBQ. GQ is for things more factual. Moved. **samclem** GQ moderator ---
**Author:** ![35340](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/3/8baadc/32.png) [@35340](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/35340)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-the-odds-on-hilary-in-2008/272728/4 "2004-11-03T14:24:22Z")
I’m throwing my hat in for Springer of Ohio. ---
**Author:** ![Casey1505](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/dc4da7/32.png) [@Casey1505](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Casey1505)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-the-odds-on-hilary-in-2008/272728/5 "2004-11-03T14:26:55Z")
Hillary vs Rudy in 2008. ---
**Author:** ![galen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ecc23a/32.png) [@galen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/galen)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-the-odds-on-hilary-in-2008/272728/6 "2004-11-03T14:28:01Z")
Zero, I hope. We need to get the Democratic Party out of the DLC {Republican-lite) rut if we are to halt the Republican-led stampede down the road to fascism. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-the-odds-on-hilary-in-2008/272728/7 "2004-11-03T14:40:12Z")
Yeah, I think the Dems nominate her only if they want a sacrificial lamb. There are better and stronger candidates out there (and some haven’t even emerged). ---
**Author:** ![Mithril](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mithril/32/3517_2.png) [@Mithril](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mithril)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-the-odds-on-hilary-in-2008/272728/8 "2004-11-03T14:42:29Z")
I can’t imagine that Senator Clinton could win the presidency. She has a very strong set of supporters, but the right wing pundits have been vilifying her since President Clinton first took office. The DNC has to know that, and hopefully will pick a more viable candidate. ---
**Author:** ![Governor\_Quinn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/d26b3c/32.png) [@Governor\_Quinn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Governor_Quinn)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-the-odds-on-hilary-in-2008/272728/9 "2004-11-03T15:17:31Z")
About the same chance as that of a snowball in Hades. ---
**Author:** ![Caricci](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/85f322/32.png) [@Caricci](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Caricci)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-the-odds-on-hilary-in-2008/272728/10 "2004-11-03T15:28:24Z")
One time when my sister was a kid, she made a remark about true communism that got a big laugh for it’s silliness and I believe it fits here: “Just because it can’t happen, doesn’t mean you can’t say nice things about it.” I would LOVE it if it happened if only because it meant we’d be seeing more of my main man Bill. However, I think there are too many closed minded people who are afraid of strong women for it to ever happen. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-the-odds-on-hilary-in-2008/272728/11 "2004-11-03T15:56:15Z")
Doesn’t she have to run for reelection to the Senate first? If she does, she loses to Rudy. No ex-Senator will be able to win the presidency or even a nomination. ---
**Author:** ![Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e19adc/32.png) [@Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-the-odds-on-hilary-in-2008/272728/12 "2004-11-03T17:32:13Z")
Chatting with my fellow New Yorkers, I get the impression that Rudy doesn’t have a hope in hell of ever being elected in this state ever again. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-the-odds-on-hilary-in-2008/272728/13 "2004-11-03T19:18:07Z")
Really, you spoke to all of them? How are they doing? I haven’t seen them for a while. ---
**Author:** ![trupa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/aeb1de/32.png) [@trupa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/trupa)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-the-odds-on-hilary-in-2008/272728/14 "2004-11-03T21:36:20Z")
It seems to me, as an outsider observing American society, that the only way a woman could get elected, or even nominated, would be if she were basically a republican Thatcher-clone. I’m sorry, but it seems to me that an assertive, competent, independant, democrat woman would be perceived as too much of a threat to society to the consevative majority in the red states. Members of said majority, please feel free to correct me… I think we will see a black president before we see a female one. And yes, he will likely be a republican too… ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-the-odds-on-hilary-in-2008/272728/15 "2004-11-03T21:38:30Z")
While I’ve admired Hillary Clinton for being a strong, independent woman in politics, I cannot understand the fascination a lot of people have, as if the mere act of Hillary running for the Presidency is (a) inevitable, or (b) a guaranteed victory. Even the right-wing pundit nutjobs jump on this wagon; “Kerry’s defeat is all part of Hillary’s secret plan for the White House in 2008!” :rolleyes: Aside from her qualifications, what’s the big appeal, anyway? ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-the-odds-on-hilary-in-2008/272728/16 "2004-11-03T21:47:20Z")
> [@Casey1505](#): > > Hillary vs Rudy in 2008. Rudy doesn’t have a prayer of being backed as the Republican candidate for President, he’s pro-choice. Chance of Hilary running: 3 to 1 Chance of Hilary winning: astronomical ---
**Author:** ![Wile\_E](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c37758/32.png) [@Wile\_E](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wile_E)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-the-odds-on-hilary-in-2008/272728/17 "2004-11-03T22:03:09Z")
> [@trupa](#): > > It seems to me, as an outsider observing American society, that the only way a woman could get elected, or even nominated, would be if she were basically a republican Thatcher-clone. > > I’m sorry, but it seems to me that an assertive, competent, independant, democrat woman would be perceived as too much of a threat to society to the consevative majority in the red states. > > Members of said majority, please feel free to correct me… > > I think we will see a black president before we see a female one. And yes, he will likely be a republican too… Were you thinking of Colin Powell maybe? Hey, whatever happened to him? I agree that Hilary is too controversial to be able to win. She’s not likely to get full-support of her party let alone any of the independents or disenfranchised republicans. Even putting her on the ticket as VP would be risky. Better to get a dem in there first and appoint her to the cabinet and then after another 8 years give her a shot. I agree a black president may be more likely to happen before a woman. But it doesn’t have to be a republican. Now let me think is there any likeable black candidate that can win over not only dems but some repubs too? Maybe even getting something like say 70% of senatorial vote? ---
**Author:** ![UrbanChic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/9dc877/32.png) [@UrbanChic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UrbanChic)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-the-odds-on-hilary-in-2008/272728/18 "2004-11-03T22:08:00Z")
Hilary cannot win. Period. I agree the only way a woman’s getting elected to President of the United States is if she’s a conservative. I disagree that we’ll see a black man elected President before we see a white woman, though. ---
**Author:** ![Mithril](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mithril/32/3517_2.png) [@Mithril](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mithril)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-the-odds-on-hilary-in-2008/272728/19 "2004-11-03T23:36:01Z")
I don’t know about that. A viable black male candidate running for president would get out the vote a lot more than a woman running. In general, black people tend to be democrats, while women don’t really tend as much to one political affiliation over the other. Assuming that people would want to vote for someone like themselves, a woman’s apparent voter base would still be fragmented along pro/anti-choice lines, for example. A black man’s voter base would probably be overwhelmingly democratic and would ostensibly have similar political viewpoints, based on party allegiance. ---
**Author:** ![DMark](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e68b1a/32.png) [@DMark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DMark)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2004, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-the-odds-on-hilary-in-2008/272728/20 "2004-11-04T00:00:53Z")
I liked Bill Maher’s comment that we should get rid of two parts of the Constitution, thus allowing Arnold Schwartzenegger to run as non-USA born, and Bill Clinton to run again, dropping the two-term limit. Arnold vs Bill - now THAT would be an election, and a debate that I would pay good money to see. As far as Hillary, I personally would love it, and would relish the though of her winning, if only to see Republican heads imploding live on television at the news of her being elected. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-the-odds-on-hilary-in-2008/272728.md?page=2)