# What are the odds on Hilary in 2008?

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-the-odds-on-hilary-in-2008/272728>\
**Category:** In My Humble Opinion\
**Created:** [November 3, 2004, 12:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-the-odds-on-hilary-in-2008/272728 "2004-11-03T12:02:38Z")\
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**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\
**Post date:** [November 5, 2004, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-the-odds-on-hilary-in-2008/272728/61 "2004-11-05T22:39:17Z")

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> [@Starving Artist](#):
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> That’s because everything we read or hear about her from liberal outlets in the news and entertainment media is glowing with admiration.

I disagree. At this point I think there is an enormous gulf between what Republicans think Democrats think of Hillary - see all the speculation on this board, Drudge, and many other places - about her running for Prez of VP this year _when she was never even a candidate_ - and what they actually think of her. She is arguably the most famous person in the party. She has great name recognition and is a known quantity. This both works for her and against her. While she has been a pretty conservative, moderate Senator, I don’t think her fame works in her favor for the Presidential nomination.

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> She cynically and opportunistically knew it was the only state in the union that was liberal enough to elect her.

NY is not the most liberal state in the country. Maybe it was the most liberal available state (which I already suggested). I’d have to look at the openings in 2000; there were probably only a few since she couldn’t compete against an incumbent Democrat and wasn’t going to run against a Republican who actually had Senate experience. But Republican George Pataki, who’s getting a little potential '08 nomination talk himself, has been the Governor for three terms. Republican Alfonse D’Amato had a long Senate career before Hillary showed up. And so on.

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**Author:** ![TheLoadedDog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/35a633/32.png) [@TheLoadedDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TheLoadedDog)\
**Post date:** [November 5, 2004, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-the-odds-on-hilary-in-2008/272728/62 "2004-11-05T23:32:30Z")

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AAAAUUUUGGGGHHH!!!

Look, I don’t know what HC’s chances are in 2008. But I do know one thing: O please please please please please please please don’t start the '08 election threads just yet! It’s _four years out_! I’m all electioned out as it is!

So, how 'bout them [insert sports team], wot?

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**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\
**Post date:** [November 6, 2004, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-the-odds-on-hilary-in-2008/272728/63 "2004-11-06T00:18:01Z")

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> [@Marley23](#):
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> I disagree.

Well, that’s a shocker. 😉

> [@Marley23](#):
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> NY is not the most liberal state in the country. Maybe it was the most liberal available state (which I already suggested).

That’s really what I meant, although I can see how it sounded otherwise. (We agree within our disagreement? 😛 )

> [@Marley23](#):
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> I’d have to look at the openings in 2000; there were probably only a few since she couldn’t compete against an incumbent Democrat and wasn’t going to run against a Republican who actually had Senate experience. But Republican George Pataki, who’s getting a little potential '08 nomination talk himself, has been the Governor for three terms. Republican Alfonse D’Amato had a long Senate career before Hillary showed up. And so on.

Granted.

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