Er, I screwed up the link to post #53, but it doesn’t matter.
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Moxie CrimeFighter (Penn Gillette)
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Best name ever.
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Er, are we disagreeing? It’s not clear to me. My position is that, given two otherwise comparable resumes, it would “really be low” if one decides to toss out the ones with “weird” names in favor of the ones with “normal” names. This appears to be your position as well.
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I was under the impression that you were disagreeing with someone who was disagreeing with someone you disagreed with.
I know we’re getting away from GQ material here, but I’m wondering how having a president named Barack Obama might eliminate some of the negative stereotypes associated with some of the names we’ve discussed in this thread.
If you’re down to two resumes that are equal in all ways except the names, the most ethical and legal choice is to interview the applicants.
Rejecting someone based on their name is no more justifiable than rejecting someone based on race, and it’s troubling to me that posters can’t see this.
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Rejecting someone based on their name is no more justifiable than rejecting someone based on race, and it’s troubling to me that posters can’t see this.
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Well it’s slightly more justifiable in that rejecting someone for a job based on name is not illegal, and rejecting someone for a job based on race is. I can eliminate job candidates for any reason I want to except protected classes, and name is not a protected class. “Poor and uneducated” or “rich and spoiled” are not protected classes. I can, and should, have the right to eliminate candidates for any non-protected class reason I want, from an excess of "e"s to the fact that I was beat up in second grade by a Carrie and the name gives me the willies.
I love how people are arguing against what they want me to be arguing instead of what I am arguing.
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Well it’s slightly more justifiable in that rejecting someone for a job based on name is not illegal, and rejecting someone for a job based on race is. I can eliminate job candidates for any reason I want to except protected classes, and name is not a protected class. “Poor and uneducated” or “rich and spoiled” are not protected classes. I can, and should, have the right to eliminate candidates for any non-protected class reason I want, from an excess of "e"s to the fact that I was beat up in second grade by a Carrie and the name gives me the willies.
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And people have the right to call you an assholish dick-shitting cunt, too.
relevant thread
Alright, let’s establish what you are arguing. For example,
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On what grounds do you support the claim that people named “Te’Shawn” are less likely to be a good employee than those with otherwise comparable resumes named “Dwayne”?
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I think they are more likely to come from broken homes, and from parents with lower education and income levels.
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It isn’t a stereotype that people from broken families that have low education and low income levels are less successful, its a fact.
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I think it would be fair to draw from this that you feel that, among a group of people with “weird” names and people with “normal” names with otherwise comparable resumes, those with “weird” names are more likely to be poor workers. Is that in fact your position? And, if so, do you have any evidence for it?
Not to mention, if a black candidate walks into your office, he’ll be more likely to be from a broken, poverty-striken home than a white interviewee, based strictly on statistics. If it’s fine to discriminate based on names correlated with poor socioeconomics, why isn’t it fine to then carry it to skin color and other markers (like geography and surname)?
I can’t wait for the response.
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And people have the right to call you an assholish dick-shitting cunt, too.
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Absolutely. But not in GQ.
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And people have the right to call you an assholish dick-shitting cunt, too.
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Moderator Note:
Perhaps in some other context or some other forum, this is true. Here in General Questions, we frown on such appellations. Knock it off.
Gfactor
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FWIW, People in Cameroon seem pretty creative with their names. Some names of my students translate to “Welcome”, “Holiday”, “Smile”, “Tuesday”, “Snot”, “Egypt”, “Mama”, “Who knows?” (his mom wasn’t sure who the dad was) etc. It’s not uncommon to name your kid something bad in order to ward off evil spirits/pride. Suffixes (how do you pluralize that?) are also very popular. In my area, nearly every female name ends is “-tou”. In Mali, I found the same set of names but with the suffix “-ta”. Additionally, there are a few core names that are turned into countless variations- “Aboubakari” can be “Bouba”, “Boubakar”, “Bakary”, “Karimou”, etc. In English speaking areas, names like “Precious” or “Baby” are not uncommon.
A teacher friend of mine once had a student whoes parents had fond memories of the Germans (who are generally better liked here than the French.) The kids name was “Adolph Hitler.”
So yeah, while popular African American names do not come directly from African traditions (and how could they given the deliberate destruction of language, culture and family structure encountered during slavery) they do to some degree follow distinctly African naming trends. Anyway, why not let people name their kids what they want?
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FWIW, People in Cameroon seem pretty creative with their names. Some names of my students translate to “Welcome”, “Holiday”, “Smile”, “Tuesday”, “Snot”, “Egypt”, “Mama”, “Who knows?” (his mom wasn’t sure who the dad was) etc. It’s not uncommon to name your kid something bad in order to ward off evil spirits/pride. Suffixes (how do you pluralize that?) are also very popular. In my area, nearly every female name ends is “-tou”. In Mali, I found the same set of names but with the suffix “-ta”. Additionally, there are a few core names that are turned into countless variations- “Aboubakari” can be “Bouba”, “Boubakar”, “Bakary”, “Karimou”, etc. In English speaking areas, names like “Precious” or “Baby” are not uncommon.
A teacher friend of mine once had a student whoes parents had fond memories of the Germans (who are generally better liked here than the French.) The kids name was “Adolph Hitler.”
So yeah, while popular African American names do not come directly from African traditions (and how could they given the deliberate destruction of language, culture and family structure encountered during slavery) they do to some degree follow distinctly African naming trends. Anyway, why not let people name their kids what they want?
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We are drifting pretty far from the OP, and are getting well into GD territory. I would suggest that those who wish to discuss the appropriateness of making hiring or other decisions based on names take it to that forum, or to the Pit. If the discussion continues in the current vein, I will have to consider either moving this thread or closing it.
The question at hand is the origin of these names. Please focus on that aspect in your responses.
Colibri
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I’m still curious about how “Anastasia” got into the original list. I’m really not trying to be jerkish, diggleblop, but I’d really like to know what you thought was so outlandish about “Anastasia” even to the extent of labeling it “no joke.”
Some people think you should be traditional when naming a baby, others think you should be creative. The traditional people use a baby name book. The creative people make one up. I’ve always thought that maybe the creative ones want the name to sound kind of French, because they have roots in Louisiana, or at least, that’s how it started. The tradition has just gone on.
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Nah, haven’t lost any sleep yet. Also, yeah, a few people on here actually HAVE given me crap about my login name. Specifically, once, I was discussing how I used to work for Dept of Homeland Security and a person said, "Why should we take advice about something this serious from a person on here named “diggleblop”?
And now for my explanation.
I mean “ridiculous” in the sense of being outrageously creative. Almost laughably so. In a cruel sort of “now why would you go and name your kid that!” If I were to take these same standards, hell, WHY NOT call my next child, diggleblop? That is all I meant.
Diggleblop isn’t my real name obviously, it’s my website/forum. But if I were to go and name my child that, to me, it would be ridiculous and almost cruel. Yes, it’s creative, but cruel.
And for the record, I mean nothing racist or mean about my question. I am also sincerely curious as to where these names originated. ARE THEY IN FACT creativity? Or are they really tribal names?
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Again, just curious, why did you include “Anastasia” in there?
By the way, in Eastern Europe, it’s usually pronounced “Ahna-stah-zeeya”.
Oprah-I believe her mother chose her name from the Bible, but misspelled it-the original name was Orpah.
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resurecta could be a girl’s name if you wanted to go with it in latin. i guess everyone thought the greek version was prettier.
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Resurecta? I hardly knew 'er!
My gramma’s name is Wanda, and she’s full-blooded Polish. Does that count?