# What are these Dominion Voting Machines? (Fox News and Dominion have settled for $787.5 million) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 30, 2020, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-these-dominion-voting-machines-fox-news-and-dominion-have-settled-for-787-5-million/926845 "2020-11-30T18:43:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2023, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-these-dominion-voting-machines-fox-news-and-dominion-have-settled-for-787-5-million/926845/121 "2023-04-19T16:51:57Z")
Ah ok, ignorance fought. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2023, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-these-dominion-voting-machines-fox-news-and-dominion-have-settled-for-787-5-million/926845/122 "2023-04-19T16:53:58Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > Generally, the remedy for not paying a settlement is not going back to the original suit, but a motion to enforce the settlement and/or seizing assets to satisfy the contract. Isn’t that because contract enforcement is generally easier to litigate? But there’s nothing preventing restarting the original lawsuit. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2023, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-these-dominion-voting-machines-fox-news-and-dominion-have-settled-for-787-5-million/926845/123 "2023-04-19T17:00:45Z")
> [@Pleonast](#): > > Isn’t that because contract enforcement is generally easier to litigate? But there’s nothing preventing restarting the original lawsuit. It depends on the language of the settlement and how the court is handling it. Usually, the case is dismissed _with prejudice_ after a settlement in finalized. I like to wait until the check clears before the court dismissed the case, just so the judge still has jurisdiction over the defendant. In theory, you could try to void the settlement for non-payment and get back on the trial calendar. Most plaintiffs, once they agree to terms, would rather enforce those terms than go back to court on the underlying case. Sometimes, in this period between an “agreement” and the final paper work getting drafted and signed, things fall apart. In cases I’ve seen, the parties go back to court and argue about what the agreement was, rather than argue the agreement is void. ---
**Author:** ![Cardigan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cardigan/32/187_2.png) [@Cardigan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cardigan)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2023, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-these-dominion-voting-machines-fox-news-and-dominion-have-settled-for-787-5-million/926845/124 "2023-04-19T17:08:36Z")
So Dominion settled with Fox and got an enormous payout. What impact will this have on Dominion’s other half dozen or so defamation cases pending? These are against much smaller media outlets like OAN or Newsmax, as well as individuals including Rudy Guiliani, Mike Lindell, and Sydney Powell? Their pockets are nowhere near as deep, so what does Dominion hope to get from them? ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2023, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-these-dominion-voting-machines-fox-news-and-dominion-have-settled-for-787-5-million/926845/125 "2023-04-19T17:15:30Z")
Bankruptcies. ---
**Author:** ![PatrickLondon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/patricklondon/32/4422_2.png) [@PatrickLondon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatrickLondon)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2023, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-these-dominion-voting-machines-fox-news-and-dominion-have-settled-for-787-5-million/926845/126 "2023-04-19T17:19:12Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > a motion to enforce the settlement and/or seizing assets to satisfy the contract. That sounds like fun - mikes and cameras first might be an idea. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2023, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-these-dominion-voting-machines-fox-news-and-dominion-have-settled-for-787-5-million/926845/127 "2023-04-19T17:56:24Z")
could dominion buy ad time on fox and just put up various things that came out in discovery? i thinking during tucker’s show, just put up his texts, calls, emails, etc as a commercial, so his viewers see what he really thinks about them and their causes. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2023, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-these-dominion-voting-machines-fox-news-and-dominion-have-settled-for-787-5-million/926845/128 "2023-04-19T17:57:58Z")
> [@rocking\_chair](#): > > could dominion buy ad time on fox and just put up various things that came out in discovery? Fox would be under no obligation to accept Dominion’s ad spend, or place those ads on their shows. Dominion _could_, hypothetically, buy ad space on Fox through local cable operators – which insert ads over the place of ads being run on the network feed (but which are only seen by local viewers who are watching that network on their cable service), and over which the network has no direct control. ---
**Author:** ![Mallard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b9bd4f/32.png) [@Mallard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mallard)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2023, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-these-dominion-voting-machines-fox-news-and-dominion-have-settled-for-787-5-million/926845/129 "2023-04-19T17:59:06Z")
Getting a settlement and the timing was a near perfect strategic move for Dominion, IMHO. The pre-trial publicity was great for them, showing the blatant dishonesty on the part of Fox. Any trial would also have been excellent anti-Fox/right wing publicity until the final award which would almost certainly be overturned by the banana-republic SCOTUS and give the momentum right back to Fox and their fascist endorsing BS. ---
**Author:** ![Si\_Amigo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/si_amigo/32/2877_2.png) [@Si\_Amigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Si_Amigo)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2023, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-these-dominion-voting-machines-fox-news-and-dominion-have-settled-for-787-5-million/926845/130 "2023-04-19T18:39:21Z")
Suing someone while you are sitting on almost $800M in cash is a pretty good spot to be in. You can definitly outspend and outlast them. And their Fox friends will not be there to aid in their defense, known and admitted liars that they are. If they do they could open themselves up for civil suits. Saving my popcorn for the next show. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2023, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-these-dominion-voting-machines-fox-news-and-dominion-have-settled-for-787-5-million/926845/131 "2023-04-19T19:25:23Z")
I don’t think Dominion is done with their efforts to stop this smear against their company. A byproduct of this is that Fox will be outed somewhat as the propaganda network they are. I wish them every success in their battles! But as was well noted by @Princhester in another thread in the post below, fixing this Fox problem is not the responsibility of Dominion. > [@Fox News/Dominion case has been settled - breaking news](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fox-news-dominion-case-has-been-settled-breaking-news/982866/21): > > Strong as Dominion’s case may have been I doubt it was watertight. There was a legally high bar for them to jump, and Fox were not without any form of defence - Fox argued that they could honestly report that the Trump camp was making allegations of election fraud involving Dominion, and that was newsworthy in itself, even if what the Trump camp were saying was false. I’m not saying that is right or that it is a defence that would have been successful - but it created a risk that Dominion prob… We have a hell of a fight on our hands. I’d like to see more Americans wake up to the deleterious effect of propaganda on our population from _all_ sources – and there are a lot. Fox is only one of those. If we can’t recognize and overcome this, I fear we are lost as a nation. But this isn’t the thread for the discussion. I may start another when I have time. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2023, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-these-dominion-voting-machines-fox-news-and-dominion-have-settled-for-787-5-million/926845/132 "2023-04-19T19:33:31Z")
Glad Dominion is getting a metric shit-ton of ol’ Rupert’s money, but very sorry there’s no public, and prominent, admission of guilt by Fox News. I certainly understand why Dominion would agree to the deal, though, for the reasons already noted by others. ---
**Author:** ![Cardigan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cardigan/32/187_2.png) [@Cardigan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cardigan)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2023, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-these-dominion-voting-machines-fox-news-and-dominion-have-settled-for-787-5-million/926845/133 "2023-04-19T20:58:52Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#): > > Dominion _could_, hypothetically, buy ad space on Fox through local cable operators – which insert ads over the place of ads being run on the network feed (but which are only seen by local viewers who are watching that network on their cable service), and over which the network has no direct control. Not that they _would_ spend their money in this manner, but does anyone have any idea how many hours of ad time on local feeds three quarters of a billion dollars could buy? ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2023, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-these-dominion-voting-machines-fox-news-and-dominion-have-settled-for-787-5-million/926845/134 "2023-04-19T21:27:45Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Glad Dominion is getting a metric shit-ton of ol’ Rupert’s money, but very sorry there’s no public, and prominent, admission of guilt by Fox News. I certainly understand why Dominion would agree to the deal, though, for the reasons already noted by others. Would it have made any difference, though? The people who would believe their admission of guilt already know it. The people who don’t know it already wouldn’t listen. > While Murdoch testimony may have been better than an episode of Succession, we should abandon the idea that a single trial full of embarrassing details would change beliefs about a stolen 2020 election. Even if Fox agreed to a two-minute on-air crow eating by Sean Hannity or Tucker Carlson, it would not have moved the needle. In poll after poll, the base of the Republican Party continues to express belief in a stolen 2020 election, a message that was repeated not just by Fox but by Trump himself, on television, social media, and elsewhere. It is supported by a constellation of grifty people lying about the American election system for profit and political power. Indeed, when Fox was the first out of the box to call the 2020 election for Biden after their decision desk determined he was going to win in Arizona, Fox viewers did not suddenly accept Biden’s victory; they instead switched over to One America News Network or Newsmax to hear happier lies. > **[Why It’s Fine That Fox and Dominion Settled](https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2023/04/fox-and-dominion-settlement-defamation-law.html)** > > The "Big Lie" was never really on trial. ---
**Author:** ![dougrb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/76d3ee/32.png) [@dougrb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougrb)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2023, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-these-dominion-voting-machines-fox-news-and-dominion-have-settled-for-787-5-million/926845/135 "2023-04-19T21:45:21Z")
PLEASE… Smartmatic… don’t settle! ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2023, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-these-dominion-voting-machines-fox-news-and-dominion-have-settled-for-787-5-million/926845/136 "2023-04-19T21:57:45Z")
Now I’m imagining Dominion as Mr. Miyagi, coaching young Smartmatic-san on what to do next. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2023, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-these-dominion-voting-machines-fox-news-and-dominion-have-settled-for-787-5-million/926845/137 "2023-04-20T00:12:33Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > > [@Sherrerd](#): > > > > If any Fox viewer happens across this statement, the odds of their seeing it as any kind of admission of wrongdoing by Fox are essentially zero. > > Basically this: 😀 > > [https://i.redd.it/fv7ee889wpua1.gif](https://i.redd.it/fv7ee889wpua1.gif) That GIF is genius. ---
**Author:** ![dougrb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/76d3ee/32.png) [@dougrb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougrb)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2023, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-these-dominion-voting-machines-fox-news-and-dominion-have-settled-for-787-5-million/926845/138 "2023-04-20T01:32:57Z")
MeidasTouch breaks down how many lawsuits FOX has lost in the past. Back to 2010. I lost track of the total. But my favorite is the “Coupon Insert War” $500 mill for coupons! [https://youtu.be/WERZwURUYfA?t=205](https://youtu.be/WERZwURUYfA?t=205) ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2023, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-these-dominion-voting-machines-fox-news-and-dominion-have-settled-for-787-5-million/926845/139 "2023-04-20T02:02:50Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > A public apology and an assurance that there is no evidence that Dominion ever tampered with votes, that might go a long way toward restoring their reputation. There was a (slightly) weird interview of the CEO of Dominion by CNN’s Jake Tapper. I do not want to say it was combative but Tapper was pressing the CEO and the CEO was being a little evasive (as is very common). The CEO said he did not believe an apology was useful (paraphrasing). He said defamation law is not built around apologies. It is meant to compensate for damages. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/OQxNnKvc_tE/maxresdefault.jpg "Tapper to Dominion CEO: Fox is 'lying to the American people'") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQxNnKvc_tE) ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2023, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-these-dominion-voting-machines-fox-news-and-dominion-have-settled-for-787-5-million/926845/140 "2023-04-20T02:08:32Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > I do not want to say it was combative but Tapper was pressing the CEO and the CEO was being a little evasive (as is very common). For some reason the board kept stopping me from editing this. To be clear: I do not mean it is common for the Dominion CEO specifically but just a common way most CEOs talk when being interviewed. Evasiveness seems usual for most of them. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-these-dominion-voting-machines-fox-news-and-dominion-have-settled-for-787-5-million/926845.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-these-dominion-voting-machines-fox-news-and-dominion-have-settled-for-787-5-million/926845.md?page=8)