# What are your electric vehicle plans? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [October 22, 2020, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-your-electric-vehicle-plans/923614 "2020-10-22T18:45:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 102
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2025, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-your-electric-vehicle-plans/923614/2046 "2025-05-22T19:19:52Z")
Oh and it also eliminates the $7500 EV credit ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2025, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-your-electric-vehicle-plans/923614/2047 "2025-05-22T19:30:40Z")
I guess if you want to kill the EV market, doing away with incentives is the fastest way to get there. The hybrid owners are also getting screwed. ICE ICE BABY! With my state’s EV surcharge on registration, I’ll be paying about $400/year. I guess it’s time to buy a lifted truck and save money that way. 🖕 ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2025, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-your-electric-vehicle-plans/923614/2048 "2025-05-22T19:49:07Z")
As long as you coal roll everyone flying a trump flag it’ll be OK. ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2025, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-your-electric-vehicle-plans/923614/2049 "2025-05-22T22:23:28Z")
Around here, that’s a lot of coal to roll! ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2025, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-your-electric-vehicle-plans/923614/2050 "2025-05-22T22:27:37Z")
A couple days ago I noticed a jacked up pickup truck a few cars behind me. It was flying two huge flags, one a US flag and the other a trump campaign flag. But it was “trump” on the top line, “2028” on the second line, and I could not read the smaller print on the bottom. I did sort of wonder how this guy thought trump running for or winning the presidency in 2028 was consistent with the ideas represented by the American flag. I wanted to manuever to get closer enough to the truck to read the rest of the 2028 flag. But he turned onto a side street before I had a chance to make my moves. It was near home, so decent bet I’ll see him peacocking again someday. Totalitarian morons. Like Illinois Nazis they’re the worst kind. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2025, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-your-electric-vehicle-plans/923614/2051 "2025-05-22T23:36:58Z")
In Wisconsin there’s additional fee of $75 for a hybrid and $175 for an electric vehicle, each year. ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2025, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-your-electric-vehicle-plans/923614/2052 "2025-05-23T01:48:38Z")
$140/yr here. I think it is over $200/yr in a state that is a couple of miles away from us. These are seriously idiotic disincentives to EVs and hybrids. Is MAGA trying to bring about the destruction of the earth as quickly as possible? And yes, that is rhetorical. It’s obvious they are. Fuck MAGA. Fuck the right. Morons, the lot of 'em. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2025, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-your-electric-vehicle-plans/923614/2053 "2025-05-23T15:43:54Z")
> [@wguy123](#): > > You ever figure out what they are going to pay you for the recalled one? Their offer was “okay.” About $5,000 more than I expected (on a 6 year old car). I accepted and just waiting for a drop off date. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2025, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-your-electric-vehicle-plans/923614/2054 "2025-05-23T15:55:02Z")
> [@wguy123](#): > > $140/yr here. I think it is over $200/yr in a state that is a couple of miles away from us. It’s $200 here. On the one hand, that’s more than the gas taxes for the number of miles I typically drive in a year. On the other, that’s less than the amount of savings between how much gas I would have had to purchase otherwise (less the additional electricity used at home). So, still coming out ahead, but it’s not exactly right, either. > [@wguy123](#): > > Is MAGA trying to bring about the destruction of the earth as quickly as possible? Eh - if you’re trying to save the earth, EVs and hybrids are not going to be a big factor. Not trivial but not as a big needle mover as people think, either. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2025, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-your-electric-vehicle-plans/923614/2055 "2025-05-23T16:15:18Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > Eh - if you’re trying to save the earth, EVs and hybrids are not going to be a big factor. Not trivial but not as a big needle mover as people think, eithe I know that and you know that … ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2025, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-your-electric-vehicle-plans/923614/2056 "2025-05-23T17:20:47Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > Eh - if you’re trying to save the earth, EVs and hybrids are not going to be a big factor. Sit at that one light where 20 cars are idling for a couple minutes. That one of thousands of like intersections. Just the localized pollution is an issue that EVs help with immensely. ---
**Author:** ![echoreply](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/echoreply/32/3641_2.png) [@echoreply](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/echoreply)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2025, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-your-electric-vehicle-plans/923614/2057 "2025-05-23T17:26:38Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > Eh - if you’re trying to save the earth, EVs and hybrids are not going to be a big factor. Not trivial but not as a big needle mover as people think, either. To put numbers on it. Road based passenger travel accounts for about 10% of global CO2 emissions due to energy use (the cost of running the car or bus, not the cost of building it). So yeah, depends on how you define “big”. A fossil fuel vehicle can be a much larger proportion of a household’s CO2 emissions, though. Reducing fossil fuel use (however you can do it) is one of the few personal actions that can matter (along with giving up meat). ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2025, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-your-electric-vehicle-plans/923614/2058 "2025-05-23T17:43:56Z")
So…“not trivial but not as big a needle mover as people think” would be a fair summary, then. ---
**Author:** ![dtilque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d6d6ee/32.png) [@dtilque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dtilque)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2025, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-your-electric-vehicle-plans/923614/2059 "2025-05-23T18:34:58Z")
> [@echoreply](#): > > To put numbers on it. Road based passenger travel accounts for about 10% of global CO2 emissions due to energy use That may be true globally, but in the US it’s more like 30%. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2025, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-your-electric-vehicle-plans/923614/2060 "2025-05-23T21:34:37Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > according to some calculations, will pay twice as much per year as they would if they were driving an ICE car Although, a typical EV _is_ somewhat heavier than a comparable ICE. I think the curb weight of my Ariya is the better part of half a ton more than my friend’s Escape, which amounts to more than 10% heavier. Heavy vehicles wear the roads faster. ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2025, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-your-electric-vehicle-plans/923614/2061 "2025-05-24T00:42:51Z")
Yet 20 ton farm machines with heavy lugged tires drive down the highways in these parts doing visible damage while running on tax free red dyed off-road diesel. 🤷 ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2025, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-your-electric-vehicle-plans/923614/2062 "2025-05-24T02:06:17Z")
Not to mention the usually-unstaffed weigh stations on the Interstates. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2025, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-your-electric-vehicle-plans/923614/2063 "2025-05-24T17:26:20Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Just the localized pollution is an issue that EVs help with immensely. I drove a CNG vehicle for twenty years and I had not realized until then how much ICEs _stink_. Now I’m back in an EV, most likely the last one I’ll buy and am much happier, then. > [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > So…“not trivial but not as big a needle mover as people think” would be a fair summary, then. There is no silver bullet, one clever trick that will make CO2 come back down. Some fifteen years ago I read an article in _Scientific American_ that showed various strategies for reducing the effects of climate change. There was a graph that showed the then current upward trend and the various strategies, over a dozen of them, as wedges for their contribution for reduction. Some wedges were bigger than others but no one strategy, or even small combinations of , had a huge effect. It took all of them. Humanity has painted itself into a corner. Getting out of it will not be easy. Just because your bailing the boat won’t stop it from sinking doesn’t give you a pass on quitting all together. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2025, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-your-electric-vehicle-plans/923614/2064 "2025-05-24T17:38:55Z")
> [@DesertDog](#): > > most likely the last one I’ll buy and am much happier I had to drive an ICE a while back. It was an odd experience after 6 months of EV driving. I felt like I had to force it to move forward while my EV just smoothly, quietly glides at my touch. And of course, sitting at a light, the ICE gently rumbles while the EV is silent – I believe Americans would overall experience a lot less stress from that alone, as the time we spend at lights and in heavy traffic is generally quite a bit. ---
**Author:** ![echoreply](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/echoreply/32/3641_2.png) [@echoreply](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/echoreply)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2025, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-your-electric-vehicle-plans/923614/2065 "2025-05-24T18:38:01Z")
> [@DesertDog](#): > > I had not realized until then how much ICEs _stink_ I was walking and admiring a '66 Corvette driving towards me. As soon as it passed the smell hit me. There was no visible exhaust, but the unburnt hydrocarbons odor was overwhelming. I guess that’s just how the world smelled before emissions regulations. Modern cars are so much better, but still noticeable, which is worse than an EV. > [@eschereal](#): > > I felt like I had to force it to move forward while my EV just smoothly ICE cars just seem like they’re working so hard; I kind of feel sorry for them. The engine racing and making noise, and the gears doing all of the shifting and then the engine has to get loud all over again, just to keep up with an EV’s steady pace away from a stop. Both of these are examples of people spending so much time dwelling on the disadvantages of EVs compared to ICE cars that they completely ignore the disadvantages of ICE compared to EV. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-your-electric-vehicle-plans/923614.md?page=101) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-your-electric-vehicle-plans/923614.md?page=103)