Will that reduced night time rate tariff mean that your day-time tariff will increase? That is what we found out when we looked into it and it and that fact wasn’t well advertised.
If not, let me know who it is (as we try to use as much night-time electricity as we can)
It’s Octopus - it does go up to 41p in daytime - I haven’t totally crunched the numbers but charging will be our biggest use. The alternative is we make the jump to solar panels which we have been considering for a while (although I appreciate that takes it out the realm of Just Another Car Purchase).
yes, we’ve been doing the same sort of thing and taking all three variables into account (EV/tariff change/solar) the calculations become a little tricky and the net benefits elusive to pin down.
The best conclusion we could come to was to project near parity in fueling costs overall for an EV (because we’d be doing a lot of non-home charging) or perhaps a slight saving with EV, but not enough to warrant the change just yet. (given our current long-range usage, charging infrastructure concerns and high electricity prices)
Of course all of those elements are subject to change in the coming years I’m sure.
I hope your EV plans did not include the Chevy Bolt or Bolt EUV, as both will be discontinued at the end of the year: Chevrolet Bolt EV/Bolt EUV To Be Discontinued By End Of 2023
According to the plan, the company will stop production of Bolts in Orion Township, Michigan before the end of 2023. Through an investment of around $4 billion, the site will be prepared for all-new Ultium models - specifically the Chevrolet Silverado EV and GMC Sierra, all-electric pickups. Those new models are expected to enter production at the plant in 2024.
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On the other hand, in the short-term, consumers might lose access to a really affordable all-electric car. The starting price for the Bolt EV was just $26,500 (+$995 DST), and effectively less than $20,000 when deducting the federal tax credit.
I’ll be shopping Bolts/ Bolt EUVs this summer. They have plenty of range, especially if/when the wife and I return to Oahu. Slow charging doesn’t concern me. We have solar here in GA and Hawaii.
Also, the Tesla Y base CUV just dropped below $45k. With the full $7.5k tax credit we can use, it’s below $40k all in. Hmmmm.
Pretty neat:
Adapting the NACS connector is pretty huge. It’s a much better connector than CCS. As is the payment processing system (i.e., you literally just drive up and plug in).
This should be good news for Tesla customers as well, since it means Ford bucks contributing to building more charging stations.
I guess being in an apartment is not a show-stopper.
There a Tesla owner (leaser?) down the street from me – the other day I noticed an extension cord running from a second floor balcony (couldn’t tell if there was an outside outlet) across the front lawn and to the car.
Obviously this is level 1 charging – don’t know if they can charge at work, or if they do any other charging.
Brian
Will hold out as long as possible. Hate dependence on China. Hate what happens to all the components when you want to get rid of it. Hate dependence on the grid.
I feel as long as I have gas, I have freedom.
This is some real “draw the rest of the fucking owl” territory.
There is an enormous supply chain to get you that gas. One that both goes through hostile nations and is itself completely dependent on the grid.
Charging is one of those things where “enough” is an important concept. Overnight level 1 might get 20-40 miles per day. If your average daily drive is less than that, then level 1 charging might be enough for almost all of your use.
yeah, well, I need to travel great distances.
That was some quick goalpost moving. I guess you’ve abandoned that line of argument? The reality is the exact opposite of what you described: EVs are less dependent on things you have no control over. If you really want to go off-grid, get an EV and a bunch of solar panels.
EVs do just fine over long distances. The current tech means road trips may be a tiny bit slower than with gas, but the difference is minimal, especially if you combine charging with other stops. But more importantly, EVs do better on everything except road trips, which for most drivers dominates their driving. Waking up every day with a fresh charge in the car, with zero effort, is fantastic.
yeah, well I am not taking the chance
done with this conversation.
OK bye then.
Ford just made a brilliant move: It cut a deal with Tesla to use the Tesla charging network. All Ford EVs currently out there will get a dongle allowing them to plug into a Tesla Supercharger, and starting with 2024 models the Tesla charge port will be built into the car. I think they are keeping the standard charge port as well, so Fords will be the most flexible and easiest to charge vehicles on the road.
I’m not sure what Tesla gets out of it. Money, perhaps. Or maybe Ford will partner in building out more superchargers. But the other charging networks still have serious problems and lack investment.
See my post just a few above yours 
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Almost certainly not. The Tesla port is superior on the inside, too. Munro and Associates definitely don’t think they’ll have two ports:
Hopefully this will result in CCS dying.
We’re still at the point where EV makers are not really competing with each other. Tesla gains by having more Ford EVs on the road, because the important conversion is from ICE customer to EV. A Ford EV customer might buy a Tesla as their other car.
And, well, winning the charging standard is pretty useful even when the network is shared.
All the things @Dr.Strangelove says, plus, yeah, money. Tesla makes money by selling electricity at superchargers.
He and I are both biased against CCS, though, because our Teslas are too old to speak CCS, so if CCS “wins” over Tesla, then we’ll need to spend $450 to upgrade our cars to charge off CCS.
Also, the Tesla port is superior to CCS.
I almost forgot about that. Even more of an incentive to hate on CCS, then. But seriously, just look at this:
A charging connector doesn’t have to be the size of a loaf of bread. The Tesla connector scales up to ~1000 kW charging, too.
Sorry about that! I don’t know how I missed that one.
So if the future Fords will only have the Tesla connector, then I guess that would make the current Ford EVs the most flexible ever, since they would be the only ones that could charge anywhere.
Well, as echoreply said, Tesla users can get an adapter, though us early Model 3 users need a retrofit that costs $450.
But I haven’t bothered because the CCS network sucks. Jim Farley (Ford CEO), during the Twitter Spaces thing where they announced it, told an anecdote about his kids calling out Supercharger stations widely available off the freeway, while they had to seek out an EA charger behind a building somewhere.
And it’s not just availability but the whole experience. The car knows about all the stations, their occupancy, whether they’re down for repair, etc. It’s totally seamless. With EA, they have tiny numbers of stalls, they’re often broken, the car doesn’t know if they’re broken, the max charge rate isn’t obvious, the payment system sucks, etc.
Basically, it makes sense to just ignore EA/CCS completely, unless you’re really in some kind of Supercharger dead zone. And this problem will be even lessened as more Supercharger stations are built with Ford money.