I expect over time, there will be plenty of charging options other than Tesla’s network available.
With NACS, there’s communication between car and charger that probably won’t occur with a CCS car. Charges to your credit card won’t happen automatically, for example. There’s also opportunities for errors with an adapter, such as losing the adapter, or leaving it at the charger.
Some of the non-Tesla EVs are fine cars and maybe the inconvenience won’t matter to some, but if buyers are willing to wait a few months, they can buy the same car that can use the same chargers as every other manufacturer.
Agreed, but when 100% of new cars use NACS, most chargers, Tesla or others, will be NACS.
I think it will be a very mixed situation. For level 2 charging it isn’t going to matter much. The adapter to go from J1772 to NACS or NACS to J1772 is just a dumb pin adapter. Connecting to a Tesla or non-Tesla level 2 charger is just a matter of getting the adapter out of your glove box. Sure, you can leave the adapter behind. You can also leave your gas cap behind.
Level 3 charging will be different. CCS and Tesla are two different protocols, so something fancier than a pin adapter is necessary to go from one protocol to the other. However newer Teslas, and Tesla superchargers speak CCS. So for some cars, and version 4 (?) Tesla superchargers it is just a matter of having the appropriate pin adapter.
The new J3400 NACS standard also has a “bring your own cable” feature. In these cases a level 2 charger will have a receptacle, and you’ll use your own cable to connect to your car. People with J1772 cars will have one cable, people with NACS connectors will have a different cable.
I thought the big thing with the Tesla network was the app and the fact that they actually work? Admittedly I don’t know much about the supercharger network, but take our incipient Caddy–you can control charging with your phone and it defaults to stopping charging at 80% so it sounds like we will in fact be able to plug it in and walk away…
Plus I was under the impression that actually installing the NACS plug in new vehicles was waayyy more than months away. Like 2025.
Thermal runaway.
How does that phrase address the question of your electric vehicle plans?
I’ve already explained my EV plans, which may involve a hybrid on this thread, and I do think that EV’s have a place in the future. I just threw this out so people can look it up and do some research.
If you have an attached garage, you may want to think twice about getting a full BEV.
Thanks, but I was under the impression that we were here for a conversation, not to issue homework assignments.
We have two EVs in a garage directly under our master bedroom. If you do t see me posting for a few days, you can assume I died via thermal runaway.
I’ll withdraw from this thread, I thought it was a general discussion on EV’s. It was when I posted before.
Why? I rarely charge away from home, and when I do, I’ll have an adaptor or the current selection of EA and others.
Heck, maybe people’s illogical fears will continue to depress used values that I might consider picking up a newer version of my beloved Mach E on the used market.
Moderating:
This is a thread to talk about your electric vehicle plans. If you have no plans, you don’t have a lot to say here.
Good plan. Please stay out of this thread. Feel free to start another thread.
I’m going to look at a 2017 Bolt tomorrow. $16900 with 23k miles. I’ll have to confirm that the battery is replaced (it shows the longer range for the replacement battery). Wife and I are back in Hawaii for a while on Oahu and it seems ideal. We’ve got solar and no electric bills. The slow charge doesn’t matter. We could drive around the island 4 times and still have range. Most trips are sub-40 miles. We won’t buy it until the new year because of the tax credit of up to 40% on used EVs and Hybrids takes effect in 2024.
Anyone with Bolt experience?
ANALOGY: you computer does have / does NOT have an USB 3 connector or HDMI-port (when they came out some 10 years ago)
… stuff like this might make or break a used-model-purchase-decision, esp. if its a good people plan to use for a long time.
The fact that it works perfectly for you does not mean it will be perfectly fine for the rest of the populace …
So before sinking 30/40/50k into an EV … I’d wait for this to be sorted out. - and AFAICT, its all a matter of “handshake” to get the most out of your charging-experience 
Well, even though I specifically excluded “traditional” hybrid vehicles when I started this thread, we just bought a Honda CR-V hybrid for my wife to drive. We’ve only had it for a day but I’ve found that it is fun to drive. The sound that it makes when you put it in reverse is both loud and disturbing but would no doubt get someone’s attention.
The US version of the Kia Niro EV makes a god-awful, really loud, sound when in reverse. The European version is a lot less offensive. Interestingly, the European version also has a switch to shut the reverse alarm off. The US version lacks the switch but still has he wiring behind the dash for it. After spending some time looking at wiring diagrams, I now have a button hanging under my dashboard that does the same thing.
There’s a lot of people that have either done that or unplugged the speaker (which is a big project). If they’d have made it quieter or at least given us the option to turn the volume down, they wouldn’t have people attempting to silence/delete it.
Part of the problem is that it’s so loud that many people, myself included, got into the habit of either backing up really fast or putting it in reverse and then dropping back to neutral and coasting the rest of the way.
Also, it’s my understanding that the ‘speaker’ isn’t a standalone speaker so it’s not that it could be replaced with something less jarring (like a white noise back up alarm), though I think people have tried putting tape over it to at least bring the volume down a bit.
My WAG as to why it’s so loud is because they’re trying to warn pedestrians and traffic behind you with a speaker under the front bumper.
I love having an EV, I hate having a Kia. I’m glad I only have a few more months with this car.
Our Lyriq is finally shipping this week! And the dealership beat Walmart by a fair bit for snow tires (Nokian Hakkapeliitta 10s with factory studs!!!). On the flip side, I cancelled my Rivian order and instead threw down for a custom Beta 300 Race Edition dirt bike with factory suspension…
Got our Lyriq yesterday!!! It’s extremely tech heavy so it will take a while to figure out. Plenty of beans, although it’s snowy and cold out so not testing it too much. Very easy dealer experience, and ended up getting $13,500 off after all the deals. -40F out, so it will be a good test.
The lease on my Hyundai Kona EV is up in a couple of months, so I have to decide whether to turn it in or buy it out. We’ve got a good buyout price, so probably will do that, but we’re going to test drive an Ioniq 5 this afternoon just to see if we like it any better.