Yep. That Plaid is right behind that Lucid and only barely bested by a $5M ICE car. EVs are going to turn the hypercar world topsy-turvy. $5M or $90K? I doubt the EVs will ever appreciate like the crazy world of super/hypercars, but EVs will soon surpass them in performance, no doubt.
Biggest question is when will EVs come with a “Belltown Hellcat” mod to make them loud and annoying as fuck?
When I was in HS in the 1980’s my favorite teacher, who died about a year ago aged 97, humorously speculated about the electric cars of the future. He said they would never catch on unless they added in recordings of muscle car sounds so aficionados could have them make loud ‘vroom, vroom’ noises. He found the posturing of young men highly amusing - his favorite cartoon hanging as a poster in his class room.
What $5M ICE car?
Agree w your points about Plaid & Lucid vs supercars.
Unsurprisingly, this whole ICE/EV thing reminds me very much of the process by which turbojets replaced ICE in fighters, transports, bombers, and airliners. The first jets were very crappy, limited machines with massive compromises that could barely get out of their own way.
Just a few years and a couple generations later they were casually slaughtering all the most advanced ICE machines with their 50+ year development history. Then the tech of jets really hit its stride and continues to improve even now 75(!) years later. It was their teenage, Beta, or at most v3 versions that utterly did for ICE in commercial / military aviation. It only got better from there. Orders of magnitude better.
We’re looking at late beta or maaybe v3 EVs now. Their future may be far brighter than we now think.
I don’t know about that.
The whole point of the supercars/hypercars isn’t exactly performance. It’s rich people playing consumption one-upsmanship. Same as with Patek Phillipe or Feedship. Or front row tickets to world championship events.
The vendors ensure the supply greatly undercuts the demand and the aftermarket takes care of the appreciation as people with lots of money pay whatever it takes to get the thing they want.
As I mentioned tangentially here:
Here in the early days of hyper-EVs there may not be as much appreciation among the ultra-rich frat boys just because as performance machines they’ll be rapidly obsoleted by next years’ crazier performance machines. But among the true collectors, having an early e.g. Rimac will have cachet long after its specs are passé in those circles.
I have that on a coffee mug. And yes, in my younger, much dumber days I had a very loud motorcycle. Now, I want them quiet.
And, very good points @LSLGuy 
The billionaires of the world have to spend their money on something to show off even more. There are only so many of these hypercars and banana-on-wall art so get them while you can!
same mechanism - more recent:
first couple of generations were somewhat laughed at, but today nobody is really looking back into legacy tech (beyond people who are into cassettes or 8 track).
Interestingly enough, the people most vocal against new tech, nearly always are from an emotional POV … rather than a technical/rational aspect.
True. Although they really hate to describe themselves as non-rational. The old stuff is simply better. Yeah, that’s it, intrinsically better despite scoring worse on substantially all the agreed practical measures of merit.
I think the next line in the script is someone comes in and complains about lack of range, charge time, and charging coverage, and then someone else comes in and compares EVs to early ICEs who also had to plan their journeys carefully in the beginning, and then the first person responds that initially those were valid objections to buying an ICE for many use cases.
My copy of the play is missing the next page. What’s the next line after that?
Haven’t you heard they are constantly catching on fire and impossible to put out?
See the growing discussion starting here for a soft / funny version of that usual story arc:
Ha! I was half thinking I was posting in this thread since I’ve been in and out of this one today. Not sure why we would be talking about the CT bomber here though. 
ETA to my prior … In the time it took me to post that reference the sidebar discussion has grown and the misinformation is being added by more people. Wheee!
Because she made a drunken fool of herself, the body cam footage of some random girl’s DUI arrest became a news story; I watch it while standing in the kitchen cooking dinner. The cop cut her a break in that he allowed her to call someone to take her car so it wouldn’t get towed, costing her more money. She had a Jeep with a real key.
Now if someone called me to pick up their car in that situation, I would drive to wherever they were, drive the car a block or so & legally park it, lock it, take the keys & walk back to my car & drive my car home unless I had a second person to go with me.
For the EV owners who use their phone as their key, do you typically carry the valet key with you, even if you’re not going somewhere that you do not expect to valet the car, like maybe a house party or a summer BBQ? I’d assume one wouldn’t want to give up ones phone if being arrested as most people don’t know phone #s anymore & I wouldn’t rely on the cops letting me log onto their computer to get at my contacts, especially after I was just arrested, & in this case, was a shit about it.
Yes. The “key” is just a credit-card sized RFID tag, so it fits easily in my wallet. Also serves as backup in case my phone dies or otherwise.
Ditto.
Thirded. Obviously. It’s in my wallet with the credit cards.
ETA: @Spiderman 4 posts up …
I don’t have an EV, but I do have a modern car. I can carry an (IMO) unnecessarily bulky fob or I can use my phone as the key. Of late I’ve switched to using the phone and leaving the fob at home.
Which as you suggest, means valets are pretty much out of the question. And which would pose problems if the phone was lost, stolen, or died. Or I was arrested or EMTed to a hospital.
Old-fashioned physical keys and fobs have their own list of problems. I’m not so sure the phone’s list of shortcomings is larger; just marginally different.
Which reminds me, I need to order a second backup card since I lost one of mine. I like to keep one at my house and in my wallet.
It seems that even the Chinese haven’t broken Tesla’s keycard standard, but you can find rings on Aliexpress where they took the guts out of an official card and transplanted them. Kinda nifty, though I don’t like rings.
The official cards are $40 for 2 and you can pair them in the car.
My extra is safe at home. So $40 for two spare keys. What would the price be for two ICE fobs?
Clearly Tesla is an unworkable nightmare though. Durp.
Yeah, I really don’t understand why more cars (EV or not) don’t go this route. The phone is a great front-line key, and the backup/valet key fits in your wallet where you can mostly forget about it. And more backups can be paired in the car, not at the dealer. If you truly must, you can buy a fob, but really it’s just another inconvenient lump in your pocket.
