# What atheists think, and why (in re: GEEPERS) **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [April 27, 2012, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-atheists-think-and-why-in-re-geepers/620150 "2012-04-27T16:57:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2012, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-atheists-think-and-why-in-re-geepers/620150/281 "2012-05-01T14:52:03Z")
I think a lot of people in this thread need the phrase “You can’t reason someone out of a position they didn’t reason themselves into” taped to the top of their monitor. Or possibly tattooed on the back of their eyelids. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2012, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-atheists-think-and-why-in-re-geepers/620150/282 "2012-05-01T14:54:30Z")
> [@GEEPERS](#): > > Over 90% of the American population believe in God. Despite the brass chest thumping on this atheist forum, atheism remains a small minority. The onus is on YOU to demonstrate why the majority is wrong. Otherwise, you are claiming that most people in society are mentally insane - suffering from delusions. Are all of these 90% ‘true’ Christians, in your estimation? ---
**Author:** ![shy\_guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a6a055/32.png) [@shy\_guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shy_guy)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2012, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-atheists-think-and-why-in-re-geepers/620150/283 "2012-05-01T14:55:16Z")
> [@GEEPERS](#): > > Otherwise, you are claiming that most people in society are mentally insane - suffering from delusions. _You_ are the one saying that. Many of my family members are Catholic. I don’t think they’re _insane_ (well, some of them, sure, but for other reasons), just _wrong_. People are wrong about all kinds of things. At any rate, it’s just another double standard. Do you think atheists are insane? ---
**Author:** ![GEEPERS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c89c15/32.png) [@GEEPERS](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GEEPERS)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2012, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-atheists-think-and-why-in-re-geepers/620150/284 "2012-05-01T15:07:18Z")
> [@shy\_guy](#): > > _You_ are the one saying that. Many of my family members are Catholic. I don’t think they’re _insane_ (well, some of them, sure, but for other reasons), just _wrong_. People are wrong about all kinds of things. > > At any rate, it’s just another double standard. Do you think atheists are insane? Nope, Richard Dawkins said it. Even called his book, “The God Delusion”. In order to be an atheist, you have to believe that when we Christians are praying, we are talking to an imaginary being. Isn’t that a characteristic of mental delusion? And yes, atheists are delusional. They suffer from the delusion that atheists are always right and Christians are always wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2012, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-atheists-think-and-why-in-re-geepers/620150/285 "2012-05-01T15:15:28Z")
> [@GEEPERS](#): > > In order to be an atheist, you have to believe that when we Christians are praying, we are talking to an imaginary being. Isn’t that a characteristic of mental delusion? Are you now actually insisting that atheists insult you? > [@](#): > > And yes, atheists are delusional. They suffer from the delusion that atheists are always right and Christians are always wrong. Again: \*No, atheists don’t think theists are always wrong. \*Atheists have no specific focus on Christianty. \*Atheists aren’t delusional. Hey, remember this? > [@GEEPERS](#): > > How about admitting that there are archaeological finds that support some of the events in the Bible? That’s a verifiable fact. Then you would have to at least admit that I’m not completely wrong in every single post. > [@Marley23](#): > > There are some historical events that are described in the Bible and are supported by archeology, and many that aren’t - including the miracles and a lot of other major points like the Garden of Eden, the Flood, and the Exodus. > [@Marley23](#): > > And that’s not the first place I said it, either. I’m starting to think that many of your problems with atheists come from the fact that you simply are not paying attention to what they say. What else is anybody supposed to think when you “demand” someone do something they’d already done, and then ignore their response? ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2012, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-atheists-think-and-why-in-re-geepers/620150/286 "2012-05-01T15:20:15Z")
> [@Larry\_Borgia](#): > > I think a lot of people in this thread need the phrase “You can’t reason someone out of a position they didn’t reason themselves into” taped to the top of their monitor. Or possibly tattooed on the back of their eyelids. I certainly didn’t think I’d argue him out of theism, but I though I could at least show GEEPERS that some of the arguments he made were invalid. Of course, that was pointless as well. I doubt I will bother to return to this thread, nothing new to see here. ---
**Author:** ![shy\_guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a6a055/32.png) [@shy\_guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shy_guy)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2012, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-atheists-think-and-why-in-re-geepers/620150/287 "2012-05-01T15:30:56Z")
> [@GEEPERS](#): > > Nope, Richard Dawkins said it. Even called his book, “The God Delusion”. In order to be an atheist, you have to believe that when we Christians are praying, we are talking to an imaginary being. Isn’t that a characteristic of mental delusion? It’s some type of delusion, sure, but that doesn’t mean straight-up _insanity_. It’s clear that the human brain is in some sense wired to extract profound meaning from certain observations and stimuli. If a person today writes a letter to the King of France, that person thinks he is communicating with a being that, as it turns out, does not currently exist, and that person is deluded, but that doesn’t mean he’s insane. A magical being is several magnitudes less plausible than a European monarch, true. But on the other hand, the vast majority of believers are raised in environments where practically everyone around them reassures them, with absolute certainty, of them existence of such a being. Even atheists are, in large measure, expected to defer to believers to avoid hurting their feelings in most contexts. > [@](#): > > And yes, atheists are delusional. They suffer from the delusion that atheists are always right and Christians are always wrong. _About the existence of a magical being_, sure. About everything else? No. That is something you invented. ---
**Author:** ![Meatros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Meatros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meatros)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2012, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-atheists-think-and-why-in-re-geepers/620150/288 "2012-05-01T15:31:05Z")
> [@GEEPERS](#): > > Nope, Richard Dawkins said it. Even called his book, “The God Delusion”. In order to be an atheist, you have to believe that when we Christians are praying, we are talking to an imaginary being. Isn’t that a characteristic of mental delusion? Richard Dawkins is wrong, IMO. In any event, my daughter occasionally talks to an imaginary being, she’s not insane. > [@GEEPERS](#): > > And yes, atheists are delusional. They suffer from the delusion that atheists are always right and Christians are always wrong. This seems like a personal problem you have. As I’ve stated (and you’ve ignored), I’m often wrong and many Christians are correct. I would wager that you have been correct, at times, although it seems difficult to find examples in this thread of such. ---
**Author:** ![GEEPERS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c89c15/32.png) [@GEEPERS](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GEEPERS)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2012, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-atheists-think-and-why-in-re-geepers/620150/289 "2012-05-01T16:06:52Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > Of course they do. Where do you even get these claims? Do you just make them up or is there some sort of website you’re cribbing from? > As for a story of an angle lifting a tractor, that’s no more proof of anything than people’s Bigfoot or Nessie sightings are.Of course, if that tractor was actually lifted by a divine herald while 100 people stood around and filmed on their smart phones, then we might at least have something to begin analyzing. Of course, as always, even if we had a glowy superstrong winged beasty, deciding that it was an angel and proof of your personal theology would still be premature. Any half-decent alien race should have pretty good cloaking technology, so you might’ve been rescued by Glort of Ixion VII. Maybe there is a ‘supernatural’ realm, but there are many competing residents. You weren’t rescued by an angel, you were rescued by a valkyrie, and Odin expects your axe to be swung for him come Ragnarok. And the sightings of Bigfoot and Lessie suggest the possibility that they exist. So what’s your point? The angel story can be a starting point on which you can build countless stories of divine healing (including one that I posted yesterday, and don’t think you’re off the hook on that one) and miracles. But if there’s anything to take away from your rantings, it’s the reality that there is no kind of evidence that would ever satisfy you. That doesn’t disprove anything. It just means you won’t accept it. > [@FinnAgain](#): > > Nobody has claimed that everything in the bible is fake. Major, central events like the Exodus and the Flood are fake, but certainly there was a city named Jerusalem and there were religious festivals held there. In the same way, while there really is a San Fransisco, Starfleet Academy is not a real place. That’s the only credit you are giving the Bible? The name of Jerusalem? Obviously, you don’t know much about bible archaelogy. ---
**Author:** ![rat\_avatar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rat_avatar/32/255_2.png) [@rat\_avatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rat_avatar)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2012, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-atheists-think-and-why-in-re-geepers/620150/290 "2012-05-01T16:13:16Z")
> [@GEEPERS](#): > > And the sightings of Bigfoot and Lessie suggest the possibility that they exist. So what’s your point? The angel story can be a starting point on which you can build countless stories of divine healing (including one that I posted yesterday, and don’t think you’re off the hook on that one) and miracles. > > But if there’s anything to take away from your rantings, it’s the reality that there is no kind of evidence that would ever satisfy you. That doesn’t disprove anything. It just means you won’t accept it. If you have “proof” of the paranormal and faith healing, why not go make [a bunch of money?](http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/1m-challenge.html) ---
**Author:** ![GEEPERS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c89c15/32.png) [@GEEPERS](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GEEPERS)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2012, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-atheists-think-and-why-in-re-geepers/620150/291 "2012-05-01T16:13:30Z")
> [@Meatros](#): > > I offered several counters to this - one being a previous time when the Egyptians had tried to ‘erase’ something from their record (ie, we still have those statues). I also pointed out that the exodus itself would have left archaeological evidence. In other words, even if the Pharaoh had magically erased all evidence of not only the Israelites and of slavery, there would still be physical evidence. > > You didn’t deal with this, instead, you simply ignored these counters as though your prior **assertions** were sufficient to deal with everything. > > They weren’t then, they aren’t now. Give me the post #, or specific example of your counter. This website explains pretty clearly the problem of Exodus along with a specific example of Pharoh erasing records: Archaeologist Edwin Yamauchi points out the limits of this science when he explains: (1) little of what was made or written in antiquity survives to this day; (2) few of the ancient sites have been surveyed and a number have not even been found; (3) probably fewer than 2 percent of the known sites have been meaningfully excavated; (4) few of these have been more than scratched; and (5) only a fraction of the fraction that have been excavated have been published and data made available to the scholarly world (1972: chapter 4). Considering not only the limits but also the positive side of archaeology, it is remarkable how many Biblical accounts have been illuminated and confirmed by the relatively small number of sites excavated and finds uncovered to date. Even though, regrettably, some professionals go out of their way to present a distorted picture of what archaeology does reveal, it does provide some of the strongest evidence for the reliability of the Bible as credible and accurate history. Evidence Destroyed A major challenge in reconstructing an accurate view of history is that, through the ages, most negative or embarrassing evidence was never written down or was intentionally destroyed by later rulers. In fact, the Bible stands in marked contrast to most ancient literature in that it objectively records the facts about Biblical personalities, whether good or bad. When new kings ascended the throne, they naturally wanted to be seen in the best light. So in many nations they covered up or destroyed monuments and records of previous monarchs. This pattern of expunging earlier historical evidence can be repeatedly seen in Egyptian monuments and historical records. For example, after the Hyksos rulers were expelled from Egypt, the Egyptians erased the records of that humiliating period so thoroughly that some of the names and the order of the Hyksos kings remain uncertain. Some time later Pharaoh Thutmosis III destroyed virtually all records relating to Queen Hatshepsut, the previous ruler, whom he despised. Visitors to her famous temple can still see where Thutmosis’s workmen carefully chiseled away her image from the walls of the structure. A few decades afterwards, the ruling priests eliminated virtually all possible traces of the teachings of Pharaoh Akhenaten, who had introduced what they considered to be heretical Egyptian religious reforms. [http://www.biblearchaeology.org/post/2009/08/09/The-Exodus-Controversy.aspx#Article](http://www.biblearchaeology.org/post/2009/08/09/The-Exodus-Controversy.aspx#Article) So tell me again why it is not plausible that Pharoh would have erased or never recorded the encounters with the Israelities? ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2012, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-atheists-think-and-why-in-re-geepers/620150/292 "2012-05-01T16:21:03Z")
> [@GEEPERS](#): > > And the sightings of Bigfoot and Lessie suggest the possibility that they exist. Wrong. The utter lack of physical evidence coupled with facts which gainsay their claims means that they do not get placed in the “possible” category except in as much as they appear to be ontologically possible. Your nonsense about how an “angel story” can be a jumping off point “on which you can build countless stories of divine healing” is an utter absurdity. As has been put to you probably a dozen times and you will continue to ignore, even if we accepted that there is a type of magical being that looks like an angel, there’s no way to tell if it’s your religion’s angel or a tulpa, or Glorp the Ixian slave trader, or what. Further, of course, you offered no actual evidence for “divine healing”, let alone “countless stories”. Yet again, your unsupported, unverified claims aren’t evidence, they’re allegations. > [@GEEPERS](#): > > That’s the only credit you are giving the Bible? Read again. This time for comprehension. ---
**Author:** ![GEEPERS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c89c15/32.png) [@GEEPERS](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GEEPERS)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2012, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-atheists-think-and-why-in-re-geepers/620150/293 "2012-05-01T16:23:54Z")
> [@Mangetout](#): > > That’s two logical fallacies in one post - appeal to popularity and shifting the burden of proof. > > The burden of proof, for any claim, no matter how popular, rests with the claimant. > > (I am not an atheist, BTW, in case it matters) Atheists often use these fallacies as a quick escape route. Fallacy Fallacy, haha I don’t have to prove anything! It’s easy to make a bold statement here. Not so easy to back it up with supporting evidence. The stiff refusal to support atheist assertions just shows how weak atheist’s beliefs really are. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2012, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-atheists-think-and-why-in-re-geepers/620150/294 "2012-05-01T16:25:44Z")
> [@GEEPERS](#): > > Give me the post #, or specific example of your counter. He explained it to you in post #317 and #330 of the ‘present evidence for your deity’ thread. What you’re doing here is arguing from ignorance. There is no evidence supporting the Exodus story. It’s all tradition and Biblical interpretation - that Pharaoh is Rameses II, for example, or that the Hebrews built some of the pyramids even though the evidence says the pyramids weren’t build by slaves. The problem is that we are not just talking about Egyptian-made documents that can be destroyed; we are talking about a complete lack of evidence of a large group of Hebrews in Egypt and then wandering around Sinai for 40 years. That’s a lot of missing evidence. > [@GEEPERS](#): > > It’s easy to make a bold statement here. Not so easy to back it up with supporting evidence. Indeed. For example you’ve said there’s a god… This whole thing is kind of ironic given that you keep refusing to make your case. ---
**Author:** ![GEEPERS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c89c15/32.png) [@GEEPERS](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GEEPERS)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2012, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-atheists-think-and-why-in-re-geepers/620150/295 "2012-05-01T16:27:01Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > Wrong. The utter lack of physical evidence coupled with facts which gainsay their claims means that they do not get placed in the “possible” category except in as much as they appear to be ontologically possible. Your nonsense about how an “angel story” can be a jumping off point “on which you can build countless stories of divine healing” is an utter absurdity. As has been put to you probably a dozen times and you will continue to ignore, even if we accepted that there is a type of magical being that looks like an angel, there’s no way to tell if it’s your religion’s angel or a tulpa, or Glorp the Ixian slave trader, or what. > > Further, of course, you offered no actual evidence for “divine healing”, let alone “countless stories”. Yet again, your unsupported, unverified claims aren’t evidence, they’re allegations. > > Read again. > This time for comprehension. 1. What is your definition of evidence? 2. What are your acceptable requirements of evidence? Specifically in the realm of the existence of the supernatural and divine healing. If you can’t at least answer those two statements, I have nothing more to say to you. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2012, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-atheists-think-and-why-in-re-geepers/620150/296 "2012-05-01T16:30:07Z")
> [@GEEPERS](#): > > 1. What is your definition of evidence? Are you ever going to acknowledge the point he’s making? I think you’ve been asked this dozens of times in several threads now: how do you decide that “supernatural evidence” like healings and stuff flying off shelves is evidence for one god and not another? How do you know it’s Jesus and not Buddha or a poltergeist or Mithra? This is a serious problem for your argument. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2012, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-atheists-think-and-why-in-re-geepers/620150/297 "2012-05-01T16:33:36Z")
> [@GEEPERS](#): > > Atheists often use these fallacies as a quick escape route. Fallacy Fallacy, haha I don’t have to prove anything! It’s telling that someone points out you’ve made an error in logic (i.e. a fallacy) and your response it to claim that it’s some kind of “escape”. Yeah… you’re unable to argue your own case, what an escape. :smack: Of course, are you again shifting the burden of proof. Yes, you do need to prove everything. No, someone arguing against you only has to show how you have not proved your case. Despite your obvious reliance on fallacy and error, you will not convince people here that your untestable, unfalsifiable, logically incoherent deity is the null hypothesis which we must refute. The so-called “atheist assertions” that you’re objecting to are that logic and facts both matter. Your refusal to accept reason since it is an “atheist assertion”, while inherently self-defeating and absurd, is also amusing. > [@GEEPERS](#): > > I have nothing more to say to you. You’ve had nothing to say to anybody here yet. You’ve had plenty to say at them. And none of it has been particularly cogent. The requirements for evidence are the same as in any particularly rigorous experiment. “I’m sure that I saw an FTL neutrino!” is not evidence of any sort, for example. ---
**Author:** ![GEEPERS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c89c15/32.png) [@GEEPERS](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GEEPERS)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2012, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-atheists-think-and-why-in-re-geepers/620150/298 "2012-05-01T16:33:42Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > He explained it to you in post #317 and #330 of the ‘present evidence for your deity’ thread. What you’re doing here is arguing from ignorance. There is no evidence supporting the Exodus story. It’s all tradition and Biblical interpretation - that Pharaoh is Rameses II, for example, or that the Hebrews built some of the pyramids even though the evidence says the pyramids weren’t build by slaves. The problem is that we are not just talking about Egyptian-made documents that can be destroyed; we are talking about a complete lack of evidence of a large group of Hebrews in Egypt and then wandering around Sinai for 40 years. That’s a lot of missing evidence. > Indeed. For example you’ve said there’s a god… This whole thing is kind of ironic given that you keep refusing to make your case. Are you really that blind, or you just purposely ignore my posts? You never back up anything you say, instead just boldly claim over and over how wrong I am. Again, lack of evidence is not conclusive proof that such events never occured. It’s just lack of evidence. I went to the effort yesterday of finding a documented story of a man who was raised from the dead. Detailed records. It was dismissed immediately without a single statement demonstrating why the story is not credible. Fester all you want in your denial. It is a piece of evidence and I presented so stop saying that I never offer anything to support my arguments. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2012, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-atheists-think-and-why-in-re-geepers/620150/299 "2012-05-01T16:33:44Z")
> [@GEEPERS](#): > > Atheists often use these fallacies as a quick escape route. Fallacy Fallacy, haha I don’t have to prove anythiing. It’s true that using fallacies in your argument doesn’t automatically make you wrong, but it does mean you’re constructing a weak argument. Why don’t you take the wind out of their sails by constructing a fallacy-free argument? ---
**Author:** ![GEEPERS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c89c15/32.png) [@GEEPERS](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GEEPERS)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2012, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-atheists-think-and-why-in-re-geepers/620150/300 "2012-05-01T16:43:20Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > It’s telling that someone points out you’ve made an error in logic (i.e. a fallacy) and your response it to claim that it’s some kind of “escape”. Yeah… you’re unable to argue your own case, what an escape. :smack: Of course, are you again shifting the burden of proof. Yes, you do need to prove everything. No, someone arguing against you only has to show how you have not proved your case. Despite your obvious reliance on fallacy and error, you will not convince people here that your untestable, unfalsifiable, logically incoherent deity is the null hypothesis which we must refute. > > The so-called “atheist assertions” that you’re objecting to are that logic and facts both matter. Your refusal to accept reason since it is an “atheist assertion”, while inherently self-defeating and absurd, is also amusing. > > You’ve had nothing to say to anybody here yet. You’ve had plenty to say at them. And none of it has been particularly cogent. > > The requirements for evidence are the same as in any particularly rigorous experiment. “I’m sure that I saw an FTL neutrino!” is not evidence of any sort, for example. There you have it, folks. Read below the bloated brass talk, and you’ll see this man’s clear dishonesty. He could not even answer two simple questions. The real answer is he doesn’t even know himself. Answer the questions or be ignored. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-atheists-think-and-why-in-re-geepers/620150.md?page=14) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-atheists-think-and-why-in-re-geepers/620150.md?page=16)