# What came before GOD..if one is to believe there is GOD **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [March 3, 2000, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-came-before-god-if-one-is-to-believe-there-is-god/17639 "2000-03-03T19:41:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Spiritus\_Mundi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c68b51/32.png) [@Spiritus\_Mundi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spiritus_Mundi)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2000, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-came-before-god-if-one-is-to-believe-there-is-god/17639/21 "2000-03-04T22:14:00Z")
> [@](#): > > God’s existence is like the infinity of the cosmos I agree. Of course, the cosmos is not infinite, and the cosmos had a beginning. The end is still in doubt. This is just a simile, of course. After all, the cosmos is objectively measurable. * * * - The best lack all conviction The worst are full of passionate intensity. \* ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2000, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-came-before-god-if-one-is-to-believe-there-is-god/17639/22 "2000-03-04T23:28:00Z")
😃😃😃 And what is the measure of it? ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2000, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-came-before-god-if-one-is-to-believe-there-is-god/17639/23 "2000-03-04T23:29:00Z")
“Man is the measure of all things.” 😃 ---
**Author:** ![jayburner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/fbc32d/32.png) [@jayburner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayburner)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2000, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-came-before-god-if-one-is-to-believe-there-is-god/17639/24 "2000-03-05T01:17:00Z")
now your telling me the cosmos has an end…like there is a giant brick wall and nothing after that…i’m get more confused everytime I visit this site * * * _I’m as confused as a baby in a topless bar_ ---
**Author:** ![Spiritus\_Mundi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c68b51/32.png) [@Spiritus\_Mundi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spiritus_Mundi)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2000, 7:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-came-before-god-if-one-is-to-believe-there-is-god/17639/25 "2000-03-05T07:56:00Z")
> [@](#): > > now your telling me the cosmos has an end…like there is a giant brick wall and nothing after that That is not what I said at all. We do not know the curvature of space. It might be similar to an expanding circle, when you “go beyond” the edge you “come out” on the other side. It might be that motion “beyond the edge” is necessarily tangential so you “skirt the rim”. What we do know is that the cosmos is expanding at a finite rate. We know that the volume of space is large but not infinite. > [@](#): > > And what is the measure of [the cosmos]? What is the measure of Libertarian? Is it perhaps the meaningless and not particularlty amusing quip? * * * - The best lack all conviction The worst are full of passionate intensity. \* ---
**Author:** ![jayburner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/fbc32d/32.png) [@jayburner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayburner)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2000, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-came-before-god-if-one-is-to-believe-there-is-god/17639/26 "2000-03-05T14:16:00Z")
I suppose you guys all read the story about the scientist who shrinks his lab assistant and places him on a very dense piece of steel…the assistant keeps shrinking till he’s inside the steel…he encounters a world full of strange animals and peoples…then he shrinks thru that world and so and so on…until he comes to our world…then he shrinks out of our world…any truth to this story…does it make sense? ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2000, 6:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-came-before-god-if-one-is-to-believe-there-is-god/17639/27 "2000-03-06T06:55:00Z")
Spiritus: > [@](#): > > After all, the cosmos is objectively measurable. Lib: > [@](#): > > And what is the measure of it? Spiritus: > [@](#): > > What is the measure of Libertarian? Is it perhaps the meaningless and not particularlty amusing quip? And you call _me_ evasive? The hubris. ---
**Author:** ![Spiritus\_Mundi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c68b51/32.png) [@Spiritus\_Mundi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spiritus_Mundi)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2000, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-came-before-god-if-one-is-to-believe-there-is-god/17639/28 "2000-03-05T19:30:00Z")
The point of my response, Lib, which you so obviously have failed to comprehend, is that “what is the measure of X” is not a clear question. Are you objectively measurable? If so, then what is your measure? Perhaps you would like to ask how wide the cosmos is, or how massive, or how old. those are meaningful questions. And yes, I do call you evasive. Your posting history has been quite full of evasive (or non) answers to direct questions. There is no hubris behind that claim, simply close experience. I feel quite confident that I am not alone in that perception. * * * - The best lack all conviction The worst are full of passionate intensity. \* ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2000, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-came-before-god-if-one-is-to-believe-there-is-god/17639/29 "2000-03-05T19:39:00Z")
Okay, maybe my eyes got crossed… [checking…] Nope. It was **YOU** who said, **"After all, the cosmos is objectively measurable."** Well? What is its measure? Did you intend some other word? ---
**Author:** ![MatthewDR](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/dfb087/32.png) [@MatthewDR](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MatthewDR)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2000, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-came-before-god-if-one-is-to-believe-there-is-god/17639/30 "2000-03-06T00:22:00Z")
Somewhere in the bible (I can’t remember where right now) God says “I am the alpha and the omega” which means the begining and the end. This means that **God was always there and always will be there.** This is something that we can not comprehend in our present state of existence because, as it was stated earlier in the thread, we have no frame of reference. Just my two cents. 🆒 * * * –MatthewDR “When I die you can eat my brain, and it will give you strength.” ---
**Author:** ![Spiritus\_Mundi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c68b51/32.png) [@Spiritus\_Mundi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spiritus_Mundi)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2000, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-came-before-god-if-one-is-to-believe-there-is-god/17639/31 "2000-03-06T00:46:00Z")
Bye-bye Lib. ---
**Author:** ![Spiritus\_Mundi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c68b51/32.png) [@Spiritus\_Mundi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spiritus_Mundi)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2000, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-came-before-god-if-one-is-to-believe-there-is-god/17639/32 "2000-03-06T00:56:00Z")
Oh, lest that be misinterpreted. That means that I no longer have any faith whatsoever that Libertarian has the ability or the intention to engage in honest debate. It does not mean I will no longer address the many logical fallacies which past history indicates he will use to defend his views. It simply menas that in any such discussion I will never again delude myself that Libertarian is acting honestly. I could simply consign him to “coventry”, but that choice opens the risk that his misinformation and fallacious quips will go unchallenged. For the record, I believe it was straw #742. * * * - The best lack all conviction The worst are full of passionate intensity. \* ---
**Author:** ![kaos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/f17d59/32.png) [@kaos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaos)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2000, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-came-before-god-if-one-is-to-believe-there-is-god/17639/33 "2000-03-06T02:03:00Z")
Personally, i don;t beleive in god. BUt that is me, i will not speak on behalf of the teeming millions. 🙂 I am confident that we evolved. I don;t belive that there is a god, or anything like that sort. We evolved out of primeordeal ooze!! everything in the world evolved from a single bacteria. But, i do want to know what is beyond space… * * * “Justify those who die” -Zach De LaRoca ---
**Author:** ![sxe\_dopefiend](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b9e5f3/32.png) [@sxe\_dopefiend](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sxe_dopefiend)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2000, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-came-before-god-if-one-is-to-believe-there-is-god/17639/34 "2000-03-07T04:03:00Z")
seems to me that god transends time. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-came-before-god-if-one-is-to-believe-there-is-god/17639.md?page=1)