# What can replace the Confederate Flag as a symbol of Southern Pride? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [June 24, 2015, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-can-replace-the-confederate-flag-as-a-symbol-of-southern-pride/723385 "2015-06-24T19:35:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![ZipperJJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zipperjj/32/211_2.png) [@ZipperJJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZipperJJ)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2015, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-can-replace-the-confederate-flag-as-a-symbol-of-southern-pride/723385/21 "2015-06-24T20:37:25Z")
The flag of whoever comes out first in SEC football each year. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2015, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-can-replace-the-confederate-flag-as-a-symbol-of-southern-pride/723385/22 "2015-06-24T20:42:36Z")
> [@Ethilrist](#): > > A guy I work with is apparently ahead of the pack and flies a[Gadsden flag](http://www.gadsdenandculpeper.com/gadsdenflags1.html?cmp=googleadwords) instead of a Confederate flag. As said, that’s not regional but frankly it seems to fit the “I’m a rebel who doesn’t trust the government” bill just fine. Only it has the more positive historical context of the Revolution versus the whole “war to preserve slavery” thing. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2015, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-can-replace-the-confederate-flag-as-a-symbol-of-southern-pride/723385/23 "2015-06-24T20:46:16Z")
> [@Leo\_Krupe](#): > > I stand corrected. I’ve been to New England many, many times in my life, but never knew there was a regional flag. Thanks for the enlightenment. 🙂 I’ve lived in New England my entire life, and have never noticed that flag either. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2015, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-can-replace-the-confederate-flag-as-a-symbol-of-southern-pride/723385/24 "2015-06-24T20:54:24Z")
A deflated football wearing a shabby hoodie would make a good NE flag. I kid, I kid. ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_T](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/3ec8ea/32.png) [@Gary\_T](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_T)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2015, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-can-replace-the-confederate-flag-as-a-symbol-of-southern-pride/723385/25 "2015-06-24T20:55:55Z")
“Southern Pride” is the seemingly acceptable and quasi-innocent excuse for what is really grudge-holding and refusal to accept the ethos of the nation as a whole beyond the portion that is absolutely unavoidable. It would perhaps be more accurately referred to as “Southern Obstinance.” True affection for the charms of the South – and there are many – doesn’t require a flag, and especially not a flag that has been closely associated with institutional racism, racial violence, and scorn for what is generally considered the better side of American ideals. Stubbornly clinging to said flag does not show its supporters in a flattering light. In my opinion, this is a good time for Southerners to let go of the Confederate Flag, along with all the undesirable things it has stood for, and promote the admirable aspects of their region. ---
**Author:** ![Icarus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/icarus/32/72_2.png) [@Icarus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Icarus)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2015, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-can-replace-the-confederate-flag-as-a-symbol-of-southern-pride/723385/26 "2015-06-24T21:13:29Z")
What can replace the Confederate Flag as a symbol of Southern Pride? A picture of a girl looking longingly at her brother’s really small penis? ---
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2015, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-can-replace-the-confederate-flag-as-a-symbol-of-southern-pride/723385/27 "2015-06-24T21:18:58Z")
> [@CinnamonBabka](#): > > I’m sure someone can deliver a lovely flag-shaped infographic showing how poor the education system is in the south. Yes and perhaps the gay pride flag should show infographics comparing AIDS infection rates for homosexuals and heterosexuals. :rolleyes: As for a good symbol of Southern pride, it should be something that supplements the American flag, so if any of the unionists in say East Tennessee or elsewhere had a flag, that would be a good candidate IMO. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2015, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-can-replace-the-confederate-flag-as-a-symbol-of-southern-pride/723385/28 "2015-06-24T21:24:59Z")
How about [this](http://previews.123rf.com/images/yayayoy/yayayoy1211/yayayoy121100001/16215395-Emoticon-making-the-loser-sign-Stock-Vector-smiley-face-cartoon.jpg)? ---
**Author:** ![Algher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Algher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Algher)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2015, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-can-replace-the-confederate-flag-as-a-symbol-of-southern-pride/723385/29 "2015-06-24T21:56:00Z")
> [@Omar\_Little](#): > > The Duke’s of Hazzard car…wait, that’s been banned also. > > Auto-trader want’s it’s advertising budget back… Watch the ad again - you never see the roof of the General Lee ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2015, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-can-replace-the-confederate-flag-as-a-symbol-of-southern-pride/723385/30 "2015-06-24T22:00:27Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > Do they need a symbol of Southern Pride? I like living near Seattle. I think the culture around here suits me better than most places I’ve lived I don’t need a flag, however. > **[Doug flag](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doug_Flag)** > > The Doug flag, also referred to as the Cascadian flag or the Cascadia Doug flag and nicknamed "Old Doug" or simply "the Doug", is one of the primary symbols and an unofficial flag of the Cascadia bioregion, which roughly encompasses the U.S. states of Oregon and Washington, the Canadian province of British Columbia, and other parts of North America's Pacific Northwest. It was designed by Portland, Oregon native Alexander Baretich in the academic year of 1994–1995. It is named after the D The Do... ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2015, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-can-replace-the-confederate-flag-as-a-symbol-of-southern-pride/723385/31 "2015-06-24T22:05:17Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > [Doug flag - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doug_Flag) That’s a nice looking flag, but it has come to be associated with two things I can’t get behind: independence for the region and soccer. ---
**Author:** ![Amateur\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/59ef9b/32.png) [@Amateur\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amateur_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2015, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-can-replace-the-confederate-flag-as-a-symbol-of-southern-pride/723385/32 "2015-06-24T22:18:49Z")
First, distinguish between “The South” and “The Confederacy/CSA.” ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2015, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-can-replace-the-confederate-flag-as-a-symbol-of-southern-pride/723385/33 "2015-06-24T22:19:46Z")
> [@ZipperJJ](#): > > The flag of whoever comes out first in SEC football each year. Let’s just [cut to the chase](http://d2c1t2egkshhnq.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/SEC_new_logo.png). [Here](http://cb.pbsstatic.com/l/12/2412/9781435132412.jpg) [are](http://www.dondero.com/misc%20seals/TVA.jpg)[some](http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130915082005/logopedia/images/a/a8/Coca-Cola_1950.png) [other](http://images.highonscore.com/posts/2012/07/large/7d70a442ce1d7d64d0f0e69e0831471eeebe57ec.jpg) [options](https://stagedoorstl.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/grand-ole-patsy.jpg). ---
**Author:** ![Hail\_Ants](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/dc4da7/32.png) [@Hail\_Ants](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hail_Ants)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2015, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-can-replace-the-confederate-flag-as-a-symbol-of-southern-pride/723385/34 "2015-06-24T22:24:34Z")
I’m from NY yet with all the vitriol towards southerners here I hope they say FU and redouble their support for it. Political correctness can suck it! ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2015, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-can-replace-the-confederate-flag-as-a-symbol-of-southern-pride/723385/35 "2015-06-24T22:40:16Z")
As others have said, why the need for southern pride? I don’t recall anyone talking about northern pride or eastern pride or western pride. Correct me if I’m wrong, but the “south” in “southern pride” seems to be referring to the states that attempted to secede from the union. Why is there a need for a special pride in that particular group of states? ---
**Author:** ![Nema98](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/d2c977/32.png) [@Nema98](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nema98)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2015, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-can-replace-the-confederate-flag-as-a-symbol-of-southern-pride/723385/36 "2015-06-24T22:42:46Z")
Does “Southern Pride” need a symbol? I mean anymore than Midwest pride, West Coast or East Coast pride? ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Pig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c57346/32.png) [@Little\_Pig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Pig)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2015, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-can-replace-the-confederate-flag-as-a-symbol-of-southern-pride/723385/37 "2015-06-24T22:43:28Z")
Oh brother, is this a loaded question. Why do Dildos come to mind … ? ---
**Author:** ![Amateur\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/59ef9b/32.png) [@Amateur\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amateur_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2015, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-can-replace-the-confederate-flag-as-a-symbol-of-southern-pride/723385/38 "2015-06-24T22:46:46Z")
Okay, let me restate it, as many of us are clearly thinking along the same lines: What does “Southern Pride” consist of once all references to the Confederacy, the slave-economy antebellum era and ingrained racism are removed? ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2015, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-can-replace-the-confederate-flag-as-a-symbol-of-southern-pride/723385/39 "2015-06-24T22:48:48Z")
Replace the racist flag with a surrender flag. “The South Shall Surrender Again!” ---
**Author:** ![Leaffan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leaffan/32/299_2.png) [@Leaffan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaffan)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2015, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-can-replace-the-confederate-flag-as-a-symbol-of-southern-pride/723385/40 "2015-06-24T22:53:21Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > [Doug flag - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doug_Flag) Cool flag. Regards, Doug [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-can-replace-the-confederate-flag-as-a-symbol-of-southern-pride/723385.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-can-replace-the-confederate-flag-as-a-symbol-of-southern-pride/723385.md?page=3)