# What can you say to a website like this? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 28, 2005, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-can-you-say-to-a-website-like-this/301465 "2005-04-28T00:44:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2005, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-can-you-say-to-a-website-like-this/301465/1 "2005-04-28T00:44:01Z")
[http://www.forsakethetroops.info/index.shtml](http://www.forsakethetroops.info/index.shtml) I’m not the type to post a link and then walk away, but I just can’t find anything to say about this, except to say that a long time ago there was doubt expressed on this board that there were some people that didn’t “Support the Troops”. I hope this dispels that notion. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2005, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-can-you-say-to-a-website-like-this/301465/2 "2005-04-28T00:51:13Z")
I say that sometimes it’s difficult to realize that you are fighting for \*everyone’s \* first amendment rights. These people seem to be dickheads, but they don’t seem to be advocating overthrow of the government. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2005, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-can-you-say-to-a-website-like-this/301465/3 "2005-04-28T00:53:13Z")
Dropping a strawman link and running. You auditioning to be **december][**? Is your point that a single asshole validates wildly inaccurate hyperbole? Maybe I can come up with [www.allleftiesshouldberapedandexecutedforbeingsuchfuckingtraitors.org](http://www.allleftiesshouldberapedandexecutedforbeingsuchfuckingtraitors.org). Then I can make all the wild claims I want. Right? -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2005, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-can-you-say-to-a-website-like-this/301465/4 "2005-04-28T01:01:19Z")
I didn’t run. I just can’t even put into words what I’m thinking. I’s somewhere between killing rage and frustrated resignation because he is capable of putting up something like that, and all because there are “scumbags” both past and present that made it possible. I’m just speechless. ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2005, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-can-you-say-to-a-website-like-this/301465/5 "2005-04-28T01:04:09Z")
Dude, did you think there were no nutjobs in the world? This dude is obviously whacky, so just shrug it off. If you obsess about every lone crank with a website, you’re going to blow a gasket. Clearly, form his home page, his sentiments have been met with 100 percent vitriol from every person who’s come across it. Pay the loser no mind. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2005, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-can-you-say-to-a-website-like-this/301465/6 "2005-04-28T01:05:29Z")
Well, we all know there are assholes out there-this is just one more we’ve identified. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2005, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-can-you-say-to-a-website-like-this/301465/7 "2005-04-28T01:05:48Z")
I just can’t take a website like that seriously. Seems either like trolling or the product of a seriously deranged psyche. Of course there’s going to be people who don’t support the troops. There’s over 250 million Americans and everyone and their dog has a website these days. Law of averages and all that. But why should I bother getting all hot and bothered about the rantings of some random idiot? ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2005, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-can-you-say-to-a-website-like-this/301465/8 "2005-04-28T01:10:07Z")
**Airman** , consider it like this-this guy is to our troops what Fred Phelps is to homosexuals, what Jack Chick is to Catholics. Someone we should be poking fun at, not getting angry over. ---
**Author:** ![CynicalGabe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3e96dc/32.png) [@CynicalGabe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CynicalGabe)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2005, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-can-you-say-to-a-website-like-this/301465/9 "2005-04-28T01:16:29Z")
Dftt ---
**Author:** ![Ca3799](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9f8e36/32.png) [@Ca3799](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ca3799)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2005, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-can-you-say-to-a-website-like-this/301465/10 "2005-04-28T01:17:38Z")
…and he did say that noone was posting on his message board… ---
**Author:** ![fushj00mang](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d26b3c/32.png) [@fushj00mang](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fushj00mang)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2005, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-can-you-say-to-a-website-like-this/301465/11 "2005-04-28T01:21:32Z")
Doors, just remember that you and I serve to protect this guy. Right or wrong, his statement is distinctly American (say anything you want to because its your ‘right.’ Nevermind that you yourself never earned it…) ---
**Author:** ![Ruby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/13edae/32.png) [@Ruby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ruby)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2005, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-can-you-say-to-a-website-like-this/301465/12 "2005-04-28T01:25:04Z")
Did you mean d\_N\_ftt? (meaning the aforementioned website?) ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2005, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-can-you-say-to-a-website-like-this/301465/13 "2005-04-28T01:37:33Z")
That’s so over the top, I have to wonder if it’s a sick joke. The language is just so… I mean, leeches? Scumbags? “the military is a lifestyle these morons chose”? I’m having a hard time believing the clod who put up this website is serious and really believes this shit. It reads, at least to me, like a parody of the genuine hate sites polluting the Web, as created by a dumbfuck jerk who has no clue why no one ever laughs at his jokes. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2005, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-can-you-say-to-a-website-like-this/301465/14 "2005-04-28T01:54:26Z")
> [@fushj00mang](#): > > Doors, just remember that you and I serve to protect this guy. Right or wrong, his statement is distinctly American (say anything you want to because its your ‘right.’ Nevermind that you yourself never earned it…) How does one ‘earn’ the right to say what one wants? By killing people unquestioningly for an oligarchy that will inevitably forget you when it’s time for you to collect the benefits they promised you in twenty years? This guy is an idiot, not because he doesn’t support the troops, but because he doesn’t realize that there is no point for them to pay taxes because their salaries are paid by taxes, and overseas they aren’t under the jurisdiction of any state. If the troops are fighting for a cause I don’t believe in, they are going directly against my wishes. I cannot in good conscience support them. I would support deserters, but I don’t support troops fighting over there. I have family in the military and I care about them, but I don’t support the war, and I don’t support us having the large military that we do, therefore I do not support the troops. Any contribution I make to the economy supports the troops I suppose, so I guess I am supporting the troops monetarily. The only thing I support is bringing the troops home and moving our economy away from being a military industrial complex. You made the choice to join the military, if you believe in the cause you are fighting, then more power to you, but don’t expect me to support you, because it’s not my cause, and I disagree with it. I think that you are in the wrong, and I think that you are personally responsible for everyone you kill. This doesn’t mean I wouldn’t be fine with you as a person, but your military service isn’t something that I admire. If you were in the National Guard, and defending us on our own soil, then you’d have my full support, I’d probably even fight next to you. Get used to it people don’t like this war, and the people that don’t like the war are probably not going to support you. Erek ---
**Author:** ![manhattan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/manhattan/32/7_2.png) [@manhattan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/manhattan)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2005, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-can-you-say-to-a-website-like-this/301465/15 "2005-04-28T01:58:38Z")
This guys seems to be something of a semi-professional troll. He advertised his hosting service over at Stormfront but also seems to be building himself up with a troll as a gay musician. I’m guessing he formed the site for the specific purpose of seeing if he can get himself mentioned in the media. No explantion for **mswas** , though. ---
**Author:** ![Dan\_Norder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/4af34b/32.png) [@Dan\_Norder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dan_Norder)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2005, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-can-you-say-to-a-website-like-this/301465/16 "2005-04-28T01:59:12Z")
These days I would not be shocked at all if it turned out to be a site put up by someone on the GOP payroll so that FOX News can come in late to expose it and claim that all liberals are evil and ought to be stamped out. ---
**Author:** ![Rashak\_Mani](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ea666f/32.png) [@Rashak\_Mani](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rashak_Mani)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2005, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-can-you-say-to-a-website-like-this/301465/17 "2005-04-28T02:15:09Z")
Complaining about troops not paying taxes ?! Taxes ? I wouldn’t take that site seriously. ---
**Author:** ![wolf\_meister](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolf_meister/32/15202_2.png) [@wolf\_meister](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolf_meister)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2005, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-can-you-say-to-a-website-like-this/301465/18 "2005-04-28T02:15:20Z")
**Airman Doors** _At first_ I thought it was a tongue in cheek essay about “overpaid” troops living the “easy” life and being a “burden” to taxpayers. I was waiting for the “zinger” such as - the truth is some military families have to rely on Food Stamps (a point John McCain made during his 2000 Presidential bid) But there is no “zinger” is there? This site is for real ?! Airman Doors, as you probably know I am one of the more liberal members of this message board but I find that website to be (at best) incredibly stupid and at worst - well I’m at a loss for words on that one. You know what that reminds me of? When Pat Tillman died in Afghanistan in April 2004, the University of Massachusetts school newspaper ran an obituary with the title: Pat Tillman is not a hero: He got what was coming to him Here’s the link for that editorial: [http://media.dailycollegian.com/pages/tillman\_lobandwidth.html?in\_archive=1](http://media.dailycollegian.com/pages/tillman_lobandwidth.html?in_archive=1) Yes we have freedom of speech but I wonder if that website owner and that editorial writer are doing that intentionally to aggravate people without regard to how irresponsible and just downright insulting that is. I believe that editorial writer had to leave U Mass not because of misconduct but for his own safety. If that website owner posted his actual address he might be surprised at the anger that will be coming in his direction. (If he hasn’t been made aware of that already). Depressing. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2005, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-can-you-say-to-a-website-like-this/301465/19 "2005-04-28T02:28:30Z")
The same website is mirrored at [www.citizensagainstthetroops.org](http://www.citizensagainstthetroops.org) The guy obviously has a hard-on against the military; check out the headline about half way down this page: [City of Brotherly Love finds meanness in Syracuse](http://www.syracuse.com/newslogs/newstracker/index.ssf?/mtlogs/syr_newstracker/archives/2005_01.html) > [@](#): > > Army Spc. Elwood Wrigley visited family in New Jersey for the holidays and went to a Philadelphia Eagles game before he was scheduled to return to Afghanistan. When he lost his digital camera full of family memories at the stadium, NBC 10 News in Philadelphia put out a call for help. > > When Michael Crook, of Syracuse, offered to return the camera – for $1,000 – Philadelphia was outraged. … > “I don’t really do things out of kindness,” Crook told the TV station. “It’s a business world and I know it seems harsh but, you know, it is all about the money.” ---
**Author:** ![wolf\_meister](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolf_meister/32/15202_2.png) [@wolf\_meister](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolf_meister)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2005, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-can-you-say-to-a-website-like-this/301465/20 "2005-04-28T02:29:50Z")
Wow, I took so long to type that posting I didn’t get the chance to see the **mswas** posting and respond to those points. Too tired to do that now. I’m sure other Dopers might want to add their own comments. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-can-you-say-to-a-website-like-this/301465.md?page=2)