# What celebrities are known for being jerks(that are not named Chevy Chase)? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [September 4, 2020, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-celebrities-are-known-for-being-jerks-that-are-not-named-chevy-chase/919839 "2020-09-04T19:52:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 23
**Author:** ![F.U.Shakespeare](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/aca169/32.png) [@F.U.Shakespeare](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/F.U.Shakespeare)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2025, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-celebrities-are-known-for-being-jerks-that-are-not-named-chevy-chase/919839/441 "2025-01-30T23:02:36Z")
That was the first time I saw Ornette Coleman Coleman, and my mind was also blown. As a result of this thread, I found a YouTube vid about that episode, which claimed that Berle, when he announced Coleman, cracked, “Who’s she?” ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2025, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-celebrities-are-known-for-being-jerks-that-are-not-named-chevy-chase/919839/442 "2025-01-31T01:31:52Z")
> [@jnglmassiv](#): > > No, what was the other thing? Actually just a couple more. > [@solost](#): > > So, the movie mainly takes place in the chaotic couple hours leading up to the debut SNL episode. In one scene Chevy is looking for his girlfriend and finds 67 year old Milton Berle (played by J.K. Simmons, who seems to be enjoying himself immensely playing Miltie) flirting with her. They get into a ‘jerk-off’ with Chase calling Berle a dementia-ridden has-been and Berle calling Chase a loser nobody. Probably entirely fictional, but an amusing scene that illustrated their legendary jerkiness, so I thought I’d share it here. Never saw the flick - bet they were too chicken to have a scene where Gilda, apparently, IRL, walked into the writers’ room as Uncle Milty was showing them his, um…you know what. > [@Gyrate](#): > > Mind blown. Actually SNL would occasionally push the envelope musically, like one time I’m watching this freak wearing a toque of mirror shards behind his keyboards and get introduced to Sun Ra. In '78. If you’re in the service industry, like in hotels and restaurants, you do _not_ want to be dealing with (gasp!) Carl Sagan! ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Q](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/898d66/32.png) [@Johnny\_Q](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Q)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2025, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-celebrities-are-known-for-being-jerks-that-are-not-named-chevy-chase/919839/443 "2025-01-31T02:48:00Z")
I can imagine his constant complaints about the lack of brains have become a bit less metaphorical ---
**Author:** ![zbuzz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e19b73/32.png) [@zbuzz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zbuzz)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2025, 5:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-celebrities-are-known-for-being-jerks-that-are-not-named-chevy-chase/919839/444 "2025-01-31T05:07:26Z")
> [@F.U.Shakespeare](#): > > As a result of this thread, I found a YouTube vid about that episode, which claimed that Berle, when he announced Coleman, cracked, “Who’s she?” I just spot-checked Berle’s SNL episode, he didn’t appear to make that crack when he intro’d Coleman. He says, “May I present to you Ornette Coleman! Let’s hear it once more!” He says “once more” but it looks like Coleman only performed that one song. ---
**Author:** ![F.U.Shakespeare](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/aca169/32.png) [@F.U.Shakespeare](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/F.U.Shakespeare)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2025, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-celebrities-are-known-for-being-jerks-that-are-not-named-chevy-chase/919839/445 "2025-01-31T13:52:25Z")
Is it possible he made the crack in the opening monologue, where he says who the musical guest will be? As opposed to when he introduces Coleman, right before he plays? ---
**Author:** ![Cardigan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cardigan/32/187_2.png) [@Cardigan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cardigan)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2025, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-celebrities-are-known-for-being-jerks-that-are-not-named-chevy-chase/919839/446 "2025-01-31T13:57:11Z")
I’m surprised no one’s mentioned Charlie Sheen and his [infamous](https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/charlie-sheen-is-being-a-jerk-again) Two and a Half Men assholery from 14 years ago. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2025, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-celebrities-are-known-for-being-jerks-that-are-not-named-chevy-chase/919839/447 "2025-01-31T16:08:14Z")
> [@Guest-starring\_Id](#): > > If you’re in the service industry, like in hotels and restaurants, you do _not_ want to be dealing with (gasp!) Carl Sagan! And his self-inflating ego. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Al128](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/al128/32/16541_2.png) [@Al128](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Al128)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2025, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-celebrities-are-known-for-being-jerks-that-are-not-named-chevy-chase/919839/448 "2025-01-31T18:46:48Z")
Very smelly, too ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2025, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-celebrities-are-known-for-being-jerks-that-are-not-named-chevy-chase/919839/449 "2025-01-31T19:45:49Z")
> [@Guest-starring\_Id](#): > > If you’re in the service industry, like in hotels and restaurants, you do _not_ want to be dealing with (gasp!) What are you talking about? Why Sagan? ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2025, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-celebrities-are-known-for-being-jerks-that-are-not-named-chevy-chase/919839/450 "2025-01-31T22:29:51Z")
Durn-it, I’ve found only this one source so far. (sure - it’s a little heavy-handedly hyper-sensitive, perhaps 😆 ) I know there’s more; also heard a lot anecdotally back in the day. > **[Book Review: Carl Sagan: A Life by Keay Davidson](https://sheseeksnonfiction.blog/2022/06/05/carl-sagan-a-life-review/)** > > All his life, Carl Sagan was troubled by grand dichotomies—between reason and irrationalism, between wonder and skepticism. The dichotomies clashed within him. . . . In the final analysis, he was the dichotomy: the prophet and the hard-boiled... > [@](#): > > Grinspoon’s son, David . . . recalls how at hotels Sagan “would throw temper tantrums if he didn’t get the presidential suite. I saw him be very abusive to waiters in restaurants.” ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2025, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-celebrities-are-known-for-being-jerks-that-are-not-named-chevy-chase/919839/451 "2025-01-31T22:40:59Z")
> [@Guest-starring\_Id](#): > > Grinspoon’s son, David . . . recalls how at hotels Sagan “would throw temper tantrums if he didn’t get the presidential suite. I saw him be very abusive to waiters in restaurants.” One source and that third hand? ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2025, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-celebrities-are-known-for-being-jerks-that-are-not-named-chevy-chase/919839/452 "2025-01-31T22:43:56Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > One source and that third hand? ? Doubt as you wish? Good enough for me? ---
**Author:** ![zbuzz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e19b73/32.png) [@zbuzz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zbuzz)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2025, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-celebrities-are-known-for-being-jerks-that-are-not-named-chevy-chase/919839/453 "2025-02-01T02:57:05Z")
> [@F.U.Shakespeare](#): > > Is it possible he made the crack in the opening monologue, where he says who the musical guest will be? As opposed to when he introduces Coleman, right before he plays? So I took the bullet and endured his excruciating 7 minute opening monologue, which was chock full of jokes that were always painfully stale and frequently racist or sexist and making lame “ad libbed” quips about audience members (who were probably plants). It was… a lot. But no mention of Coleman in the monologue. I also watched the goodnight and he didn’t say it then either. Maybe I’ll screw up the courage to watch the full 90 minute episode, but I think I need time to wash off that first 7 minutes first. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2025, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-celebrities-are-known-for-being-jerks-that-are-not-named-chevy-chase/919839/454 "2025-02-01T19:27:48Z")
> [@Guest-starring\_Id](#): > > Durn-it, I’ve found only this one source so far. (sure - it’s a little heavy-handedly hyper-sensitive, perhaps 😆 ) I know there’s more; also heard a lot anecdotally back in the day. > **[Who Was Carl Sagan?](https://www.historyhit.com/who-was-carl-sagan/)** > > American astronomer, astrophysicist, cosmologist and author Carl Sagan was one of the most renowned, influential – and controversial – scientists... > Sagan was a complex character but driven to succeed – later becoming a millionaire and one of the most influential scientists of his time. However, this popularity left him open to criticism and jealousy amongst his peers, and whilst passionate about the need to educate the population, he could also be arrogant and dismissive of his fellow scientists. And, reportedly, toward his students at Cornell; especially those who asked questions. At least he had enough grace not to do so while lecturing. ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2025, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-celebrities-are-known-for-being-jerks-that-are-not-named-chevy-chase/919839/455 "2025-02-01T23:11:52Z")
> [@zbuzz](#): > > In one of the SNL books, I think Marci Klein, one of the producers, said no guest had ever backed out during the week they prep the show. In 1982, Eddie Murphy replaced his **48 Hours** co-star Nick Nolte as SNL host. This story says [Nolte dropped out the Tuesday before the show](https://ultimateclassicrock.com/eddie-murphy-host-saturday-night-live/), so it was show week, even though no sketches had actually been put on paper at that point. That was during the period that Lorne Michaels was not part of the show, and Executive Producer Dick Ebersol’s decision to make a current cast member host did not sit well with the rest of the cast, particularly when Murphy opened the show with, “Live from New York, it’s the Eddie Murphy Show!” Legend has it that Nolte was seen that week partying at Studio 54, so both he and Murphy come off as jerks in the story. ---
**Author:** ![zbuzz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e19b73/32.png) [@zbuzz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zbuzz)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2025, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-celebrities-are-known-for-being-jerks-that-are-not-named-chevy-chase/919839/456 "2025-02-02T03:49:18Z")
Ah, the gas leak years. That explains why Klein didn’t mention it. ---
**Author:** ![De\_La\_Rue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d07c76/32.png) [@De\_La\_Rue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/De_La_Rue)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2025, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-celebrities-are-known-for-being-jerks-that-are-not-named-chevy-chase/919839/457 "2025-02-03T00:10:13Z")
> [@zbuzz](#): > > But no mention of Coleman in the monologue. I also watched the goodnight and he didn’t say it then either. [Here](https://transcripts.foreverdreaming.org/viewtopic.php?t=139982)’s a transcript of the episode (it appears to repeat every line three times, but it’s still a transcript). No use of the words “Who’s she?” Coleman is only mentioned in the intro and before his lone musical performance. ---
**Author:** ![Slithy\_Tove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slithy_tove/32/18248_2.png) [@Slithy\_Tove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slithy_Tove)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2025, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-celebrities-are-known-for-being-jerks-that-are-not-named-chevy-chase/919839/458 "2025-02-03T18:26:47Z")
IRT last night’s Grammys red carpet: here’s how to sign “Censori” in ASL: [![](https://media-cldnry.s-nbcnews.com/image/upload/newscms/2021_45/1802598/dv-hand-signal-kb-main-211111.jpg) ](https://media-cldnry.s-nbcnews.com/image/upload/newscms/2021_45/1802598/dv-hand-signal-kb-main-211111.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Manduck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/manduck/32/256_2.png) [@Manduck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Manduck)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2025, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-celebrities-are-known-for-being-jerks-that-are-not-named-chevy-chase/919839/459 "2025-02-03T19:42:49Z")
But I only have two hands 🤓 ---
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> [@Slithy\_Tove](#): > > IRT last night’s Grammys red carpet: here’s how to sign “Censori” in ASL: For those who didn’t watch the Grammy Awards, how does this relate to the subject of the thread? What the fuck is Censori anyhow? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-celebrities-are-known-for-being-jerks-that-are-not-named-chevy-chase/919839.md?page=22) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-celebrities-are-known-for-being-jerks-that-are-not-named-chevy-chase/919839.md?page=24)