# What church is this Mary stained glass from? **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [December 21, 2015, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-church-is-this-mary-stained-glass-from/741009 "2015-12-21T16:42:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Thinktank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Thinktank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thinktank)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2015, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-church-is-this-mary-stained-glass-from/741009/1 "2015-12-21T16:42:42Z")
Hello, I’m trying to locate what church and it’s location for this Stained glass art depicting Mary. I used a picture to google image search the actual art. So far I cannot locate the geographic location and the church in which it resides. Shutterstock labels it as “Dolorous Mother” or “Blessed virgin Mary as a sorrowful mother”. I run out leads fast on this. It’s a pretty famous piece, my detective skills have failed me however in my search. Any help would be appreciated. Here is the [LINK](http://image.shutterstock.com/z/stock-photo-stained-glass-window-depicting-the-blessed-virgin-mary-as-the-sorrowful-mother-or-dolorous-mother-154303703.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Si\_Amigo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/si_amigo/32/2877_2.png) [@Si\_Amigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Si_Amigo)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2015, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-church-is-this-mary-stained-glass-from/741009/2 "2015-12-21T16:55:19Z")
Looks like I’ve seen this in just about every catholic church I have ever been in. 🙂 But seriously, you must realize know that many church windows were mass produced in Italy and shipped out over the world. Do you know what time frame this particular window may be from? It is a nice one with hand painting, so maybe that will help. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2015, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-church-is-this-mary-stained-glass-from/741009/3 "2015-12-21T17:23:52Z")
I tried a TinEye search, but it looks like all of the hits there just lead back to Shutterstock. It looks like the photographer is named Nancy Bauer? That might be a traceable clue. ---
**Author:** ![capybara](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/capybara/32/202_2.png) [@capybara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/capybara)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2015, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-church-is-this-mary-stained-glass-from/741009/4 "2015-12-22T02:47:21Z")
Stylistically I’d say 19th c at the earliest. ---
**Author:** ![Thinktank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Thinktank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thinktank)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2015, 4:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-church-is-this-mary-stained-glass-from/741009/5 "2015-12-22T04:58:45Z")
No idea on the time period, funnily enough they made this into a t-shirt. I took a pic of the tshirt and google image searched it. I went to various articles over the web that used the actual stained glass picture, but no one gave fine print credit to the usage of this stained glass piece. I know it sounds silly, but I didn’t want to wear a shirt that I did not have some knowledge about what I was wearing around. I’m not Catholic, but I’m sure I’ve seen this work a few times before. I assumed it was famous enough that it would be as easy as tracking down say “winged victory” or “David” but not so much. This was my last ditch effort that somebody here on the SDMBs would easily have an answer. ---
**Author:** ![slash2k](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/439d5e/32.png) [@slash2k](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/slash2k)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2015, 5:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-church-is-this-mary-stained-glass-from/741009/6 "2015-12-22T05:51:37Z")
There is a Nancy Bauer who is an accomplished photographer and the former prioress of St. Benedict’s Monastery in Minnesota, and at least some of her photographs depict stained glass art (see, e.g., [https://sbm.osb.org/index.php/ministries/spirituality\_center/daily\_meditations/?id=1021](https://sbm.osb.org/index.php/ministries/spirituality_center/daily_meditations/?id=1021) ). I think I’d start by asking her if it’s her photo. ---
**Author:** ![md2000](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/73ab20/32.png) [@md2000](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/md2000)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2015, 6:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-church-is-this-mary-stained-glass-from/741009/7 "2015-12-22T06:09:09Z")
> [@capybara](#): > > Stylistically I’d say 19th c at the earliest. Yes, it is sufficiently detailed and fine that I would guess late 1800’s or even in the 1900’s. Modern stuff. Why don’t you ask the photographer? The shutterstock page lists Nancy Bauer as the photographer, and I see this from Google of her name, her recent nature photos: > [@](#): > > Photographs by Nancy Bauer, OSB > > Sister Nancy Bauer is the prioress of Saint Benedict’s Monastery and an accomplished nature photographer. This gallery includes a selection of her recent photos. Feel free to leave a comment below. Please do not reproduce these images without permission from the monastery. Contact: mailto:sisters@ csbsju.edu or 320-363-7142. Since the Shutterstock page depicts stained glass windows, nature photos of birds, ice fishing shacks and birds in snow, and stained glass from Winnipeg (near Minnesota) I’m guessing it’s this Bauer from MN, not the other Nancy Bauer in California. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2015, 6:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-church-is-this-mary-stained-glass-from/741009/8 "2015-12-22T06:44:12Z")
> [@Thinktank](#): > > I know it sounds silly, but I didn’t want to wear a shirt that I did not have some knowledge about what I was wearing around. I’m not Catholic, but I’m sure I’ve seen this work a few times before. I assumed it was famous enough that it would be as easy as tracking down say “winged victory” or “David” but not so much. This was my last ditch effort that somebody here on the SDMBs would easily have an answer. Your best bet to ID the actual location where the picture was taken is to ask Bauer, but as for the symbolism of the image, I can tell you the advocation it represents is the source of the name Dolores. Her feast is celebrated on September 15th (modern calendar) or on the Friday of Sorrows (the Friday right before Palms Sunday, that is, the one before Easter). Other names invoking the same “aspect” include Our Lady of Mercy and Our Lady of Loneliness (names in Spanish: Soledad and its abbreviation Sole; Basque Bakarne and its abbreviation Bakartxo). The images usually include a visible burning heart pierced by seven swords (the seven sorrows to which the name refers). Google Images virgen de dolores will find you a throve. Wiki on [Friday of Sorrows](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friday_of_Sorrows) and [Our Lady of Sorrows](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Lady_of_Sorrows) (including the list of sorrows). [Another](http://www.thomryng.com/amateurmonk/friday-of-sorrows-of-the-blessed-virgin/)explanation of the advocation, added just because I don’t like using Wiki as sole source. While Hispanics are particularly fond of this tradition, we’re not the only ones; then again, [Malta](http://www.visitmalta.com/en/holy-week-and-easter) is a Mediterranean country… ---
**Author:** ![svd678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/53a042/32.png) [@svd678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/svd678)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2015, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-church-is-this-mary-stained-glass-from/741009/9 "2015-12-23T18:05:05Z")
The Friday before Palm Sunday would be the second Friday before Easter. ---
**Author:** ![gigi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a587f6/32.png) [@gigi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gigi)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2015, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-church-is-this-mary-stained-glass-from/741009/10 "2015-12-23T20:24:49Z")
“Palms Sunday, that is, the [Sunday] before Easter” Just to save you the time, I took the virtual tour of Nancy Bauer, O.B.'s monastery and don’t see the window there anywhere. ---
**Author:** ![Isilder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/cc9497/32.png) [@Isilder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Isilder)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2015, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-church-is-this-mary-stained-glass-from/741009/11 "2015-12-23T23:59:53Z")
A few photos in Nancy’s set there at Shutterstock says “BRISTOW, VIRGINIA - located at St. Benedict Monastery” The Fleur De Lis and style does suggest consistency with that. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2015, 5:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-church-is-this-mary-stained-glass-from/741009/12 "2015-12-24T05:53:55Z")
> [@svd678](#): > > The Friday before Palm Sunday would be the second Friday before Easter. I meant before Easter Week. I always forget that most people use Easter to refer to Easter Sunday. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2015, 6:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-church-is-this-mary-stained-glass-from/741009/13 "2015-12-24T06:05:46Z")
> [@Nava](#): > > I meant before Easter Week. I always forget that most people use Easter to refer to Easter Sunday. In English, at least, I’ve never heard of Easter referring to anything but Easter Sunday. You have the days leading up to Easter (Holy Week) and the days from Easter onward (Easter Week), but Easter itself is always Sunday, AFAIK. That said, you were referencing the second Friday before Easter (you said the Friday before Palm Sunday, which would be the second Friday before Easter), unless I’m having a major brain fart, so I don’t understand what **svd678** was correcting. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2015, 6:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-church-is-this-mary-stained-glass-from/741009/14 "2015-12-24T06:25:06Z")
> [@pulykamell](#): > > In English, at least, I’ve never heard of Easter referring to anything but Easter Sunday. You have the days leading up to Easter (Holy Week) and the days from Easter onward (Easter Week), but Easter itself is always Sunday, AFAIK. [whine]I hate English… [/whine] the terminology around Easter is one of those things ESL speakers tend to find very confusing. > [@](#): > > That said, you were referencing the second Friday before Easter (you said the Friday before Palm Sunday, which would be the second Friday before Easter), unless I’m having a major brain fart, so I don’t understand what **svd678** was correcting. My original: “the Friday right before Palms Sunday, that is, the one before Easter” That “one” can be parsed as referring to Palms Sunday as being the Sunday before Resurrection Sunday (as you parsed it), or as the Friday right before Palms Sunday being the Friday before Resurrection Sunday (which would truly be a calendar-folding feat and is what **svd678** corrected). And if you’re one of many ESL-speakers who find the English names confusing, then you get even more candidates. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2015, 6:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-church-is-this-mary-stained-glass-from/741009/15 "2015-12-24T06:30:38Z")
> [@Nava](#): > > That “one” can be parsed as referring to Palms Sunday as being the Sunday before Resurrection Sunday (as you parsed it), or as the Friday right before Palms Sunday being the Friday before Resurrection Sunday (which would truly be a calendar-folding feat and is what **svd678** corrected). And if you’re one of many ESL-speakers who find the English names confusing, then you get even more candidates. At any rate, I thought it was clear that the “that is, the one before Easter” referred to Palm Sunday, and not the Friday before Palm Sunday because, well, like you said, it’d be a calendar-folding feat. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Lucas\_Jackson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lucas_jackson/32/303_2.png) [@Lucas\_Jackson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lucas_Jackson)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2015, 7:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-church-is-this-mary-stained-glass-from/741009/16 "2015-12-24T07:33:01Z")
Our Lady of the Immaculate Shutterstock? ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2015, 8:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-church-is-this-mary-stained-glass-from/741009/17 "2015-12-24T08:49:08Z")
> [@White SIFL](#): > > Our Lady of the Immaculate Shutterstock? Our Lady of Blessed Bandwidth.