# What "Conservative Values" aren't based on bigotry? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [July 16, 2019, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-conservative-values-arent-based-on-bigotry/837176 "2019-07-16T16:36:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 24
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2019, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-conservative-values-arent-based-on-bigotry/837176/461 "2019-07-21T00:34:29Z")
> [@Pantastic](#): > > Also, while not all conservatives are Christian, there are certainly a very large and vocal number of conservatives who claim to be Christian, and I think it’s very interesting to note that none of what’s come out as ‘values’ here actually line up with anything that Jesus said to do. I am an atheist, so in the end,what Jesus might have said to do bears no graet weight with me. Still, you brought Him up, so now it is time for you to tell us why you have enough expertise on JC such that you can compare conservatives unfavorably to His directives. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2019, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-conservative-values-arent-based-on-bigotry/837176/462 "2019-07-21T00:38:14Z")
> [@Tempe\_Jeff](#): > > Why are there more interracial couples who are Republican in Washington Politics? Clarence Thomas and Mia Love two examples off the top of my head. Bigoted…lol Mia Love on Trump: First, she did dare early to criticize Trump for his sexist and ‘act like a rapist’ tape. [https://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/299993-mia-love-i-cant-vote-for-trump](https://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/299993-mia-love-i-cant-vote-for-trump) And then, because of the bigoted anti-imigration positions of the President, Love stood up to President Donald Trump on that. And then of course Trump did not help in her re-election. [QUOTE] Republican Mia Love has conceded the Utah election to Democrat Ben McAdams. In her concession, Love, who Donald Trump criticised by name after the election, slammed the president. [/QUOTE] > [@](#): > > However, this gave me a clear vision of [Trump], his world as it is no real relationships… just > convenient transactions… That is an insufficient way to implement sincere service and policy. [https://thehill.com/homenews/house/418264-ousted-gop-rep-mia-love-on-trumps-vision-of-politics-no-real-relationships](https://thehill.com/homenews/house/418264-ousted-gop-rep-mia-love-on-trumps-vision-of-politics-no-real-relationships) > [@](#): > > The outgoing representative said Monday that the campaign was indicative of broader problems that politicians in Washington, D.C., and Republicans in particular, have connecting with minorities. > > “It’s transactional, it’s not personal,” she said. “We feel like politicians claim they know what’s best for us from a safe distance, yet they’re never willing to take us home. Because Republicans never take minority communities into their home and citizens into their homes and into their hearts, they stay with Democrats.” ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2019, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-conservative-values-arent-based-on-bigotry/837176/463 "2019-07-21T00:39:17Z")
[Matthew 25:40-45 New International Version (NIV)](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+25%3A40-45&version=NIV;KJV) > [@](#): > > 40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’ > > 41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’ > > 44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’ > > 45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’ Will that do for a start? (Answering **Scumpup** ) ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2019, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-conservative-values-arent-based-on-bigotry/837176/464 "2019-07-21T00:42:38Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > [Matthew 25:40-45 New International Version (NIV)](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+25%3A40-45&version=NIV;KJV) > > Will that do for a start? > (Answering **Scumpup** ) Did I ask you about your casual knowledge of scripture? No? Well, thanks for playing anyway. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2019, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-conservative-values-arent-based-on-bigotry/837176/465 "2019-07-21T00:45:14Z")
> [@Scumpup](#): > > Did I ask you about your casual knowledge of scripture? No? Well, thanks for playing anyway. Sorry, I didn’t realize I wasn’t allowed to post in the thread. ---
**Author:** ![Tempe\_Jeff](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tempe_jeff/32/7328_2.png) [@Tempe\_Jeff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tempe_Jeff)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2019, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-conservative-values-arent-based-on-bigotry/837176/466 "2019-07-21T02:31:42Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Cite? Are you unaware that Clarence Thomases wife is white and Mia Loves husband is white? Here’s a link for you, since google is above your pay-grade. > **[Where Are Politics' Interracial Couples?](https://www.theroot.com/where-are-politics-interracial-couples-1790893018)** > > (The Root) — Though the latest census data confirms that the number of interracial couples in America has grown significantly in recent years, there is still one place in American society where their numbers remain largely invisible: the campaign... DeBlasio is the Dems only hope? ROFLMAO:D:D:D ---
**Author:** ![Tempe\_Jeff](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tempe_jeff/32/7328_2.png) [@Tempe\_Jeff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tempe_Jeff)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2019, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-conservative-values-arent-based-on-bigotry/837176/467 "2019-07-21T02:36:06Z")
Before you all get all about what Christians should do; Jesus never advocated for government helping the poor at all. He also expected the poor to take steps to improve their condition. Gleaning was the 10% of a field crops left for the poor. There was no expectation that the poor could sit at home and wait for the bread, now EBT, to show up. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2019, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-conservative-values-arent-based-on-bigotry/837176/468 "2019-07-21T02:36:09Z")
> [@Pantastic](#): > > Is that the really the extent of “conservative values”? There just doesn’t seem to be a lot of meat behind low taxes for the ultra rich (I’m not giving ‘low taxes’ as it doesn’t match history), drilling for oil, and spending a lot on the military-industrial complex (while cutting spending on soldiers). If I just straight posted that such a list was the sum total of “conservative values” I’m sure I’d be accused of caricaturing, but that seems to be all anyone can manage to dig up. You weren’t asking about sum totals, though; you were asking for examples of “X that aren’t Y.” So people provided some examples of “X that aren’t Y.” It would be like as if someone asked, “What NFL quarterbacks aren’t white Caucasian?” and then someone names McNabb, Vick, Prescott, Griffin, etc. but then you say, “That’s not the sum total of NFL quarterbacks.” ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2019, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-conservative-values-arent-based-on-bigotry/837176/469 "2019-07-21T02:37:58Z")
> [@Tempe\_Jeff](#): > > Before you all get all about what Christians should do; Jesus never advocated for government helping the poor at all. He also expected the poor to take steps to improve their condition. Gleaning was the 10% of a field crops left for the poor. There was no expectation that the poor could sit at home and wait for the bread, now EBT, to show up. Yeah, I keep hearing this nonsense from conservatives. Tell me where Jesus or any of the apostles said that the government shouldn’t help the poor. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2019, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-conservative-values-arent-based-on-bigotry/837176/470 "2019-07-21T02:38:25Z")
> [@Tempe\_Jeff](#): > > Are you unaware that Clarence Thomases wife is white and Mia Loves husband is white? > > Here’s a link for you, since google is above your pay-grade. > [Where Are Politics' Interracial Couples?](https://www.theroot.com/where-are-politics-interracial-couples-1790893018) > DeBlasio is the Dems only hope? ROFLMAO:D:D:D You claimed there are more GOP interracial couples than Democrat. That article gives no numbers. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2019, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-conservative-values-arent-based-on-bigotry/837176/471 "2019-07-21T02:38:41Z")
> [@Tempe\_Jeff](#): > > Are you unaware that Clarence Thomases wife is white and Mia Loves husband is white? Yep. That’s exactly what he was asking for a cite of. You nailed it. 13 out of 10. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2019, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-conservative-values-arent-based-on-bigotry/837176/472 "2019-07-21T02:39:50Z")
> [@Tempe\_Jeff](#): > > Are you unaware that Clarence Thomases wife is white and Mia Loves husband is white? > > Here’s a link for you, since google is above your pay-grade. > [Where Are Politics' Interracial Couples?](https://www.theroot.com/where-are-politics-interracial-couples-1790893018) > DeBlasio is the Dems only hope? ROFLMAO:D:D:D The cite request was for your unsupported assertion that Republicans have more interracial marriages than Democrats. For example, you left out Kamala Harris and Susan Rice, just off the top of my head. There are likely others. It should be noted that, [according to polling](https://www.newsweek.com/20-percent-america-thinks-interracial-marriage-morally-wrong-poll-finds-845608), Republicans oppose interracial marriage in far greater numbers than Democrats (28% to 12%). So by this metric, Republicans are over twice as likely to be racist as Democrats. ---
**Author:** ![Tempe\_Jeff](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tempe_jeff/32/7328_2.png) [@Tempe\_Jeff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tempe_Jeff)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2019, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-conservative-values-arent-based-on-bigotry/837176/473 "2019-07-21T02:41:25Z")
Republicans also donate their money much more to Charity. Democrats rather donate your money to charity. "The researchers said this finding fell within the broad political tendencies of traditional Republicans who favor less government intervention and more donations from the private sector to make up for the lack of government assistance. “Their preference is to provide for the collective good through private institutions,” said Professor Nesbit. " Cite from that rabidly conservative voice, the New York Times. > **[How Political Ideology Influences Charitable Giving (Published 2018)](https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/03/your-money/republicans-democrats-charity-philanthropy.html)** > > The authors of a new academic study explore the effect of political differences on how we give to charity. That bigoted NYT, of course. Probably racist and homophobe too. ---
**Author:** ![Tempe\_Jeff](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tempe_jeff/32/7328_2.png) [@Tempe\_Jeff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tempe_Jeff)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2019, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-conservative-values-arent-based-on-bigotry/837176/474 "2019-07-21T02:44:01Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > You claimed there are more GOP interracial couples than Democrat. That article gives no numbers. The Root is an extremely liberal website for black activist types. I chose a cite slanted heavily in your favor. Do you know how to Google? Cite?:eek: ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2019, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-conservative-values-arent-based-on-bigotry/837176/475 "2019-07-21T02:45:07Z")
> [@Tempe\_Jeff](#): > > The Root is an extremely liberal website for black activist types. I chose a cite slanted heavily in your favor. Do you know how to count? Just off the top of my head (plus your offer of De Blasio), Harris and Rice. That means more prominent Democrats in interracial marriages than the two you offered. There may well be more. ---
**Author:** ![Tempe\_Jeff](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tempe_jeff/32/7328_2.png) [@Tempe\_Jeff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tempe_Jeff)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2019, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-conservative-values-arent-based-on-bigotry/837176/476 "2019-07-21T02:45:58Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > The cite request was for your unsupported assertion that Republicans have more interracial marriages than Democrats. For example, you left out Kamala Harris and Susan Rice, just off the top of my head. There are likely others. > > It should be noted that, [according to polling](https://www.newsweek.com/20-percent-america-thinks-interracial-marriage-morally-wrong-poll-finds-845608), Republicans oppose interracial marriage in far greater numbers than Democrats (28% to 12%). So by this metric, Republicans are over twice as likely to be racist as Democrats. My supported assertion was power couples in Washington D.C. a rather high exposure environment. I cited evidence to back up my claim. I didn’t realize the Goal Posts were motorized… LOL ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2019, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-conservative-values-arent-based-on-bigotry/837176/477 "2019-07-21T02:50:04Z")
> [@Tempe\_Jeff](#): > > My supported assertion was power couples in Washington D.C. a rather high exposure environment. I cited evidence to back up my claim. I didn’t realize the Goal Posts were motorized… LOL Nah, for some reason what Mia Love said about Trump is ignored, the point that still stands is that even one of your examples is not amused about the bigotry that is growing in the Republican party. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2019, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-conservative-values-arent-based-on-bigotry/837176/478 "2019-07-21T02:51:00Z")
> [@Tempe\_Jeff](#): > > My supported assertion was power couples in Washington D.C. a rather high exposure environment. I cited evidence to back up my claim. I didn’t realize the Goal Posts were motorized… LOL What? You offered two Republicans, one of which (Love) isn’t in office. I offered a sitting Senator, a former National Security Advisor, and the NYC mayor you already offered. That makes more Democratic interracial “power couples” in politics than the Republicans you offered. These are your own goal posts. There are more prominent Democratic officials (and former officials) in interracial marriages than Republicans, at least based on the data presented so far. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2019, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-conservative-values-arent-based-on-bigotry/837176/479 "2019-07-21T03:25:18Z")
How could conservatives be bigots when the the power couple of Mia and Jason Love exists? Check mate liberals. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2019, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-conservative-values-arent-based-on-bigotry/837176/480 "2019-07-21T03:53:58Z")
> [@Scylla](#): > > No. The rapey thing just goes along with being a Democrat all your life, right? That is Andy’s logic. We are understanding the philosophy by looking at the traits of those who follow it. Clinton, and Trump, and Cosby, and Weinstein, JFK… they were all womanizers and/or rapists… and prominent Democrats at the time. Therefore the Democratic philosophy must be Mysoginistic and rapey. > > But seriously, Bannon was enamored with the Democrat Trump, because he thought he could fight dirty like a Democrat: lie with straight face, go for the jugular, make shit up about his enemies to try to get them to deny it. He thought the honest statesmen Schick couldn’t Win against the Democrat sleaze, so he told to Trump exactly what he would need to say and espouse to run for President as a Republican. It’s right there in the first chapter or two of Woodward’s book. I believe he even has quotes from those meetings. > > Trump was literally a Clinton style Democrat that Brannon recruited to be a Republican (they kind of recruited each other.) Scylla, take a break. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-conservative-values-arent-based-on-bigotry/837176.md?page=23) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-conservative-values-arent-based-on-bigotry/837176.md?page=25)