# What "Conservative Values" aren't based on bigotry? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [July 16, 2019, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-conservative-values-arent-based-on-bigotry/837176 "2019-07-16T16:36:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 253
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2019, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-conservative-values-arent-based-on-bigotry/837176/253 "2019-07-18T19:03:40Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > I would say that you strongly implied it, yes. You are mistaken in that assessment. > [@](#): > > Yes, your initial response to me, where you implied that I’m a racist for noting that the Republican party is awash in racism and bigotry, made it appear very strongly that you think there isn’t a problem with racism in your party. Also, the fact that you’re a member of that party. That would not be racism, that would be bigotry. This quoted section is in fact a bigoted statement as well. I disagree with your assessment that the Republican Party is “awash in racism and bigotry.” It’s nothing more than a hyperbolous statement of political hackitude. The statement tells me about you and your attitudes. It tells me nothing about Republicans. You are not free to assume I am Republican. I, in fact voted a Democrat in the last two presidential elections. I am aware that there are racists on the right. It is very clear that the left is far more racist. > [@](#): > > Do you think I showed more or less bad faith than the post where you implied that I was a racist for noting the overwhelming prejudice of the Republican party More. I didn’t accuse or imply that you were being racist. That would make no sense. What I did accuse you of by implication was bigotry. The quoted section I used paints with a broad enough brush, and is egregious enough that such an accusation is warranted. I stand behind it. > [@](#): > > I already did. **Sam Stone** asserted that Democrats are playing identity politics, and that that’s a bad thing, with a heavy implication that we’re the only ones doing it. I pointed out that, pretty much across the board, every time the Democrats are playing “identity politics,” its with a group that the Republicans have explicitly singled out and attacked as a matter of political policy. You implied that I was racist myself for making that observation. Which implies that you think there’s a different reason, other than the apalling bigotry of the Republican party, for the vast disparity in minority support for the two parties. I think asking what you think is the reason for that disparity is an entirely worthy question. There’s that broad brush again. Clinton signed DOMA, Obama came out against gay marriage during his first term. You seem to want to assert as a given fact that issues of racism and bigotry should automatically be attributed to the right when the evidence is clearly to the contrary. The more reasonable answer is that societal attitudes change and evolve. > [@](#): > > I mean, do you genuinely think that the Republican attacks on gay right through the '90s and early 2000’s had nothing to do with there being very, very few gay people who identify as Republicans? You are making broad mid characterizations that are not supported by the facts. > [@](#): > > Do you think passing constitutional bans against gay marriage in states where it was already illegal was not “identity politics?” I think that’s an act of imagination on your part. No such thing happened. > [@](#): > > Do you think Trump’s not playing identity politics when he gets one of his rallies chanting, “Send her home,” about a Muslim congresswoman? I do not. The fact that she is Muslim is irrelevant. Her being a rabid anti-American and anti-Semite who has accused him of being a white Nationalist running concentration camps, is probably the relevant reason behind his ire. > [@](#): > > Because when you call me racist for pointing that stuff out, it pretty strongly implies that you don’t think any of those things are true Jesus Christ, again with this. Bigotry, not racism. How can I could even accuse you of being racist against conservatives? It’s a political philosophy not a skin color. > [@](#): > > - that the lack of support for Republicans by minority groups doesn’t have anything to do with how Republicans have historically (and contemporaneously) treated those groups. If you don’t think there’s a link, then how do you explain the disparity of support? If you do think there’s a link, why did you get on my tits when I posted about it earlier? The link is really not about Republicans. Republicans tend to be insensitive towards race and racial issues, because they believe that individual identity is sovereign. Liberals used to believe this, too. With the ascendency of the left, that has changed. The Left believes your group identity is more important than your individual identity. That change is what is referred to when one talks about “identity politics.” Your previous examples directed at the right don’t represent “identity politics,” they are examples of racial pandering. The two terms are not interchangeable. So, why are more minorities Democrat. Because the Democrats court them. They do so in ways that are worthy and admirable, and they do so in ways that are odious and despicable, and everything in between. * * * What gets me. What I truly can’t believe is that somebody like you, a Moderator on this board, who has supposedly demonstrated some kind of faculty for critical thinking actually believes any of this bullshit you are arguing. There are 300 million people in this country and two political parties. The fact that you paint with so broad a brush on half of them is the very definition of… Bigotry. --- _[View the full topic](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-conservative-values-arent-based-on-bigotry/837176)._