What countries are better than the U.S.A.?

Pretty much my answer, provided that I was independently wealthy or had some job other than in their punishingly high-pressure corporate environment. (Of course, plenty of countries would be pretty tolerable if you were independently wealthy.)

There are not a lot of countries “in which lunatics don’t regularly mow down people”.

I’m not going to parse what you think you’re trying to say, I’ll just note that New Zealand just banned most semi-automatic weapons one month after the mosque shooting. I’m sure you remember the shooting because a few days after it, you made a joke about it in an unrelated thread in ATMB.

Canada, New Zealand, Switzerland, Norway, Iceland, Liechtenstein, any EU country, South Africa.

But not Australia.

As one of the board’s senior citizens, I’d just like to comment that a thread (ok, a conversation) going in this direction three or four decades ago would have resulted in massive pushback from the America firsters, who were much more prevalent in US society back then. To fix the problems, we have to at least acknowledge that they exist and maybe it’s finally happening.

We were fortunate enough to have a nice sensible Labor government in power at the time of the GFC, who immediately responded to it with stimulus - funnelling a bunch of no-questions-asked cash straight into the bank accounts of defined sections of the community (eg parents). God knows what the current mob would have done about it.

I pick New Zealand or somewhere in Scandinavia as the “best” countries - both of those places often end up at or near the top of international comparison lists

I’ll only include countries I’ve lived/visited.

-Canada
-Australia
-Netherlands
-Switzerland
-Germany

And I worked illegally, without their social safety net, although I was never charged for hospital or doctors. I’m sure things would improve even more after learning more of the language, but where one is born determines a lot… There’s nothing I can’t stand when some moron says “Well, then, leave” - not knowing what a visa means outside of a credit card.

I voted with my feet. Despite having three kids living in the US, my wife and I have decided to remain in Canada, weather and all. The no. 1 reason is health care.

Dunno about Switzerland. I think they’ve been involved in a lot of shady shit with their banking stuff.

I’ve been told NZ is a tyrannical shithole.

The US isn’t even on theonly ranking listthat matters.

By many metrics the US is near the bottom of wealthy nations.

By some metrics (health care) we are behind lots of middle income nations. Latin America has affordable universal health care in many places.

I’ve also been told here Canada is the perfect nation and has never fought a war that wasn’t in self-defense.

Yes, it was only a matter of time before those Boers were marching through Ottawa. We had to strike first!

Also, nations with a lower incarceration rate than the US are better.

Well of course I am going to say Australia because I live here.

We have a pretty good standard of living and great healthcare.

Education is still fairly cheap.

We have every form of climate, I can go skiing in winter or diving on Barrier Reef.

We are pretty successful multi-cultural society.

You can still have a go and make it.

We don’t have a large proportion of our country living below the poverty line, there are some and that is still too many.

Oh and we don’t have a large prison population!

As a total package, nothing beats the USA, taking into account country security, education, business, wealth. On individual issues though, many other countries come out ahead. So if you are more concerned about safety, or health, or lifestyle on a modest wage, you would probably be best off elsewhere. If you are wealthy the USA is the best place to be because of the strong rule of law and property protection.

Yeah, if you’re a rich white guy, the US is great. If a black kid shows up in your neighborhood you can call the cops and there’s a good chance the cops will straight up kill him.

Oh Australia, Canada, NZ and a whole bunch of other countries have strong rule of law and property protection.

You do also know the United States has basically every form of climate as well, at least as much as Australia?