What did Kurt Vonnegut mean on The Daily Show on Tuesday?

“Course, not long ago you would’ve been labeled a putz for belonging to a frat, but times changed.”

– Bulu, mighty 600 lb. Gorilla

Comedy Central has up Kurt’s Pic and the text says List of Liberal … but no link to the actual list. I am very disappointed.

I enjoyed that interview more than most any other one that Jon has done.

The list is up.

Hooray:

Ye cannot serve God and Mammon. The hell I can’t! Look at the Reverand Pat Robertson. And He is as happy as a pig in sh*t. :smiley:

I gotta say, I’ve never really heard liberals saying any of those things.

Well, it’s taped during the day so they had plenty of time. Maybe it was illegible (as Jon had worried).

Aren’t they all from the bible?
Frankly, the only really funny one was the one he got out over the air.

Kind of a let down…

Who transcribed that furshlugginer list? It’s full of typos, and reading the punctuation feels like running full-tilt through a muddy field full of old tires. You’d think the web site of such a prominent show could do better, particularly where such an established man of letters is concerned.

Y’know, I could fill that need, and it just so happens that I really hate my job right now…

Je-hizzle was all kinds of liberal. Giving to the poor. Hanging out with whores.

By the by: WHOOOSH!

I don’t feel I was whooshed. I think “Je-hizzle” would be sickened by the folks who run around claiming to be his best buddies these days. Fundie Christianity (ie the people who go around quoting the Bible constantly) has bugger all to do with anything Jesus ever said.

They also redacted “I’d cut him a new asshole.” (Or possibly “you-know-what.”)

As for those perplexed by them all being Christian quotes, Vonnegut has a long history of commenting on the strangeness of conservatives laying claim to being more “christian” than the “godless” liberals.

In the prologue to Jailbird, he related an anecdote about the labour activist Powers Hapgood, who dedicated most of his life to the labour movement, in spite of having all the advantages of wealth and status. Up before a judge for his participation in some picket or demonstration, he was asked why he made the choices he did, in spite of his background. His response: “Because of the Sermon on the Mount, sir.”

Even in Slaughterhouse Five, Vonnegut was commenting on the hypocrisy of people who always seemed to want to enshrine the Ten Commandments in public life. “I haven’t heard one of them demand that the Sermon on the Moun or the Beatitudes be posted anywhere.”

When Vonnegut invokes Mammon, he is likely thinking of it in the same way that Eugene Debs (for whome the protagonist of Hocus Pocus was named) did:

The whole point of his list is to comment on how liberal ideals are more consonant with Christian feeling, despite how much more frequently and loudly extreme conservatives invoke God or Christian values.

“By their fruits shall ye know them,” wot-wot?

I thought the interview was amusing but the list gets a big fat ‘meh’.

Far be it for me to correct Dex, but “Venus on the Half-Shell” (where the cockroach waste origin was revealed) was was written *as * a Vonnegut book (by “Kilgore Trout”) but was authored by Philip Jose Farmer.

I hope it was all those colors too.

Small hijack: You can agree with evolution and intelligent design. You can believe that God always does exactly what he wants to do, and uses the process of natural selection to acheive it. The national debate is over whether ID should be discussed in science classes. As they weren’t in a science classroom, he was completely within bounds.

My blushes, and my senile memory. Thanks for the correction.