# What did Raffie take? **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [August 1, 2005, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-did-raffie-take/315194 "2005-08-01T20:18:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![dauerbach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c2a13f/32.png) [@dauerbach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dauerbach)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2005, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-did-raffie-take/315194/1 "2005-08-01T20:18:30Z")
Does anyone know what banned substance Raphael Palmiero tested posititive for? Where can I find a list of substances banned by MLB? ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2005, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-did-raffie-take/315194/2 "2005-08-01T20:26:58Z")
OH. I thought you meant [Raffi](http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0000003HD/qid=1122928150/sr=2-2/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_2/103-7319913-6689460) phew. Carry on. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2005, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-did-raffie-take/315194/3 "2005-08-01T20:34:53Z")
No official word yet, and MLB policy is to not disclose exact substance. So it is up to Raffie to say. ---
**Author:** ![dauerbach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c2a13f/32.png) [@dauerbach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dauerbach)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2005, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-did-raffie-take/315194/4 "2005-08-01T21:53:13Z")
Ok, I didn’t know that, and I figured it had already been leaked somewhere and was on the web. As an orioles fan, it is very sad, coupled with how poorly they have been playing lately makes it four times as bad. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2005, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-did-raffie-take/315194/5 "2005-08-01T22:07:15Z")
I know it’s said, but hopefully your not too surprised. I was disappointed when my fears about Giambi were confirmed, but not surprised. There is a whole list of players I would though into this category, including a very famous OF the O’s picked up this year. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2005, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-did-raffie-take/315194/6 "2005-08-01T22:09:01Z")
Sad not Said. Darn. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2005, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-did-raffie-take/315194/7 "2005-08-01T22:25:05Z")
I thought this was about the children’s entertainer, too. Flash on a Morrison-like impromptu indecent exposure during a performance of “Baby Beluga.” _shudder_ ---
**Author:** ![dauerbach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c2a13f/32.png) [@dauerbach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dauerbach)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2005, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-did-raffie-take/315194/8 "2005-08-01T22:36:30Z")
Actually I was surprised. I am niave enough to have believed his ardent denial of steroid use before congress, and then there is the fact that he is not all bulky looking, and the fact that he has never been on the DL in 20 years, which is pretty much unheard of in a steroid abuser. Very said. Most likely there goes any chance to the Hall of Fame. ---
**Author:** ![Scruloose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e68b1a/32.png) [@Scruloose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scruloose)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2005, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-did-raffie-take/315194/9 "2005-08-01T22:41:56Z")
> [@jrfranchi](#): > > There is a whole list of players I would though into this category, including a very famous OF the O’s picked up this year. Eric Byrnes?!?! No way! ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2005, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-did-raffie-take/315194/10 "2005-08-01T22:47:30Z")
> [@Scruloose](#): > > Eric Byrnes?!?! No way! 😃 He’s a lttile older and has an excess of Esses. ---
**Author:** ![rorty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b2d939/32.png) [@rorty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rorty)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2005, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-did-raffie-take/315194/11 "2005-08-01T22:47:54Z")
I have suspected quite a few players of steroid abuse, Raffy being amongst them, but I’m rather surprised he would get caught. After the Congressional hearing and the newly instituted drug screening, why would he be so stupid as to be juicing? It’s possible he could face perjury charges for lying to Congress, is it not? Although that would probably depend on when exactly he started juicing, which is something that may never be known. Does anyone actually buy his story that he was being given illegal steroids without his knowledge? What kind of athlete would allow that? ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2005, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-did-raffie-take/315194/12 "2005-08-01T22:50:54Z")
> [@rorty](#): > > I have suspected quite a few players of steroid abuse, Raffy being amongst them, but I’m rather surprised he would get caught. After the Congressional hearing and the newly instituted drug screening, why would he be so stupid as to be juicing? It’s possible he could face perjury charges for lying to Congress, is it not? Although that would probably depend on when exactly he started juicing, which is something that may never be known. > > Does anyone actually buy his story that he was being given illegal steroids without his knowledge? What kind of athlete would allow that? I don’t buy, he asking us to believe he is a complete idiot. How about this one instead. “Well my Chemist told me it was an undetectable Steroid. Damn him!!!” I think this is far more likely. ---
**Author:** ![Scruloose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e68b1a/32.png) [@Scruloose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scruloose)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2005, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-did-raffie-take/315194/13 "2005-08-01T23:05:36Z")
> [@rorty](#): > > I have suspected quite a few players of steroid abuse, Raffy being amongst them, but I’m rather surprised he would get caught. After the Congressional hearing and the newly instituted drug screening, why would he be so stupid as to be juicing? It’s possible he could face perjury charges for lying to Congress, is it not? Although that would probably depend on when exactly he started juicing, which is something that may never be known. This afternoon, Sporting News Radio had Jose Conseco on the line. I was very fortunate indeed to hear the interview. According to Mr. Conseco, Rafael Palmeiro is absolutely not taking steroids at this time, and is being set up by MLB and the very corrupt and evil Players Association. According to Mr. Conseco: “_I definitely do not believe that Rafael is using steroids right now. In the past, he has, but not right now. Obviously, they are picking this time to fight this battle when there is some kind of testing policy involved, and now trying to take out Rafael Palmeiro for what he may have done in the past_.” He went on to say, “_I would do a major, major investigation on his urinalysis sample — if it was missing for any period of time — and I’d keep a strong eye on Major League Baseball and the players’ association, especially on their leaders_.” Mr. Conseco has clearly gone insane. > **[MLB News, Videos, Scores, Teams, Standings, Stats](https://www.foxsports.com/mlb)** > > Find live MLB scores, MLB player & team news, MLB videos, rumors, stats, standings, team schedules & fantasy games on FOX Sports. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2005, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-did-raffie-take/315194/14 "2005-08-01T23:12:27Z")
> [@Scruloose](#): > > This afternoon, Sporting News Radio had Jose Conseco on the line. I was very fortunate indeed to hear the interview. According to Mr. Conseco, Rafael Palmeiro is absolutely not taking steroids at this time, and is being set up by MLB and the very corrupt and evil Players Association. According to Mr. Conseco: “_I definitely do not believe that Rafael is using steroids right now. In the past, he has, but not right now. Obviously, they are picking this time to fight this battle when there is some kind of testing policy involved, and now trying to take out Rafael Palmeiro for what he may have done in the past_.” > > He went on to say, “_I would do a major, major investigation on his urinalysis sample — if it was missing for any period of time — and I’d keep a strong eye on Major League Baseball and the players’ association, especially on their leaders_.” > > Mr. Conseco has clearly gone insane. I am very glad you added the last line. ---
**Author:** ![astorian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ad7895/32.png) [@astorian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astorian)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2005, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-did-raffie-take/315194/15 "2005-08-02T03:38:04Z")
> [@Larry Mudd](#): > > I thought this was about the children’s entertainer, too. > > Flash on a Morrison-like impromptu indecent exposure during a performance of “Baby Beluga.” > > _shudder_ Actually, THAT Raffi has always been very up front about the fact that he was a long-haired, pot-smoking hippie who lived on a commune in the Sixties, and spent years trying to become the next Next Dylan, before finding how much money he could make singing for kids. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2005, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-did-raffie-take/315194/16 "2005-08-02T03:44:42Z")
> [@rorty](#): > > Does anyone actually buy his story that he was being given illegal steroids without his knowledge? What kind of athlete would allow that? That’s not quite how he put it. I think his case is shaping up to be more of “there was an illegal substance in some supplement I was taking and I didn’t know about it.” I’m not saying I buy it, but I don’t think it’s beyond the realm of possibility. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2005, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-did-raffie-take/315194/17 "2005-08-02T03:45:27Z")
A rooffie? ---
**Author:** ![zuma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e9c0ed/32.png) [@zuma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zuma)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2005, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-did-raffie-take/315194/18 "2005-08-02T03:46:47Z")
> [@Scruloose](#): > > Mr. Conseco has clearly gone insane. That may be, but Mr. Canseco is about the only person in this steroid scandal who has not been proven a liar. ---
**Author:** ![rorty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b2d939/32.png) [@rorty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rorty)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2005, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-did-raffie-take/315194/19 "2005-08-02T05:24:04Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > That’s not quite how he put it. I think his case is shaping up to be more of “there was an illegal substance in some supplement I was taking and I didn’t know about it.” I’m not saying I buy it, but I don’t think it’s beyond the realm of possibility. Thanks for the clarification. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2005, 5:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-did-raffie-take/315194/20 "2005-08-02T05:27:05Z")
> [@zuma](#): > > That may be, but Mr. Canseco is about the only person in this steroid scandal who has not been proven a liar. Canseco’s claims that he personally injected steroids into Palmeiro, Rodriguez and McGwire have not been validated. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-did-raffie-take/315194.md?page=2)