# What did you dislike the most in a Trek series? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 2, 2001, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-did-you-dislike-the-most-in-a-trek-series/84993 "2001-10-02T16:46:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![SpaceGhostofArrakis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9fc348/32.png) [@SpaceGhostofArrakis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SpaceGhostofArrakis)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2001, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-did-you-dislike-the-most-in-a-trek-series/84993/21 "2001-10-02T22:15:48Z")
Dag. Can a moderater fix my coding? ---
**Author:** ![Saltire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saltire/32/553_2.png) [@Saltire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saltire)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2001, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-did-you-dislike-the-most-in-a-trek-series/84993/22 "2001-10-02T22:23:59Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by SpaceGhostofArrakis \* > **No small arms bigger than a rifle Post-TOS** I thought I knew TOS pretty well, but I can’t remember anything large that I wouldn’t call ‘a rifle’. Could you elaborate? ---
**Author:** ![SPOOFE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@SPOOFE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SPOOFE)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2001, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-did-you-dislike-the-most-in-a-trek-series/84993/23 "2001-10-02T22:43:00Z")
TOS had a couple of mortars, and… um… styrofoam rocks. ---
**Author:** ![Sir\_Rhosis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d9b06d/32.png) [@Sir\_Rhosis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sir_Rhosis)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2001, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-did-you-dislike-the-most-in-a-trek-series/84993/24 "2001-10-02T23:00:05Z")
There was a fairly good-sized field laser set-up used in “The Cage.” ---
**Author:** ![Saltire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saltire/32/553_2.png) [@Saltire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saltire)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2001, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-did-you-dislike-the-most-in-a-trek-series/84993/25 "2001-10-02T23:46:27Z")
Thanks. I was sure you were right, but I couldn’t recall anything. ---
**Author:** ![bernse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a9a28c/32.png) [@bernse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bernse)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2001, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-did-you-dislike-the-most-in-a-trek-series/84993/26 "2001-10-03T01:14:40Z")
Wesley Crusher Neelix ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2001, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-did-you-dislike-the-most-in-a-trek-series/84993/27 "2001-10-03T01:35:12Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by bernse \* > \*\*Wesley Crusher > > Neelix \*\* Good choices, good choices. ---
**Author:** ![RoboDude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bbe5ce/32.png) [@RoboDude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RoboDude)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2001, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-did-you-dislike-the-most-in-a-trek-series/84993/28 "2001-10-03T02:40:22Z")
How about the episodes where most of the episode is a flashback to a place and time that had nothing to do with Star Trek? IIRC, there was one from DS9 and one from Voyager. ---
**Author:** ![jack\_ss](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c77e96/32.png) [@jack\_ss](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jack_ss)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2001, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-did-you-dislike-the-most-in-a-trek-series/84993/29 "2001-10-03T02:51:42Z")
1. Voyager 2. Time Travel 3. Voyager 4. DS9 season 3 onward 5. Do the movies count? 'Cuz there was a _series_ of them… ---
**Author:** ![DPWhite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d26b3c/32.png) [@DPWhite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DPWhite)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2001, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-did-you-dislike-the-most-in-a-trek-series/84993/30 "2001-10-03T02:53:37Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by carnivorousplant \* > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > \*Originally posted by bernse \* > > \*\*Wesley Crusher > > > > Neelix \*\* > > Good choices, good choices. \*\* Amen. Good actors, terrible roles. Wil Wheaton blew me away in Stand By Me (great story) with great acting, but he got saddled with this career ending role. Danny Partridge as a spaceman. ---
**Author:** ![super\_head](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d6d6ee/32.png) [@super\_head](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/super_head)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2001, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-did-you-dislike-the-most-in-a-trek-series/84993/31 "2001-10-03T03:00:19Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by RoboDude \* > \*\*How about the episodes where most of the episode is a flashback to a place and time that had nothing to do with Star Trek? IIRC, there was one from DS9 and one from Voyager. \*\* Hmmm, there was a similar episode in TNG (“The Inner Light”, episode name courtesy of a Google search) in which Picard, courtesy of a strange space probe, lives an entire life on another planet - married, raises kids, etc. Turns out that the probe was sent by the people of a dying planet so that their culture wouldn’t be forever erased and forgotten. It’s actually my favorite episode. Oh, sorry, things we don’t like - the new Enterprise song is complete unfitting… there, that’s one. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Mad\_Hermit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b5ac83/32.png) [@The\_Mad\_Hermit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Mad_Hermit)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2001, 4:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-did-you-dislike-the-most-in-a-trek-series/84993/32 "2001-10-03T04:48:08Z")
The utter lack of continuity between episodes and series. My God, I can keep track of multiple plots and I could have done a much better job of making sure that the facts were kept straight concerning: The overall timeline. Why keep changing it? Warp drive and the speeds necessary to cross the galaxy. We know how big the galaxy is, couldn’t someone draw a map and make the warp factors make sense? Wesley Crusher driving all the time. Weren’t there other (real) officers deserving of the job at the time? Magical last-minute fixes that never appear again, even if they could be used in the current situation. The lump-of-putty-on-the-head-makes-an-alien approach. Why didn’t they use aliens already introduced? The all-aliens-on-one-planet-are-the-same assumption. Not always, but often enough to be annoying. No real sense of place, other than “out there.” Some of the locations come from our current maps, but again no one is keeping track of what’s used and how it relates to Earth. TOS started this. My biggest problem: The writers and producers are writing for TV, so they apply TV logic that destroys the believability factor of the series. I want to be taken away to those exotic locations; I want to suspend disbelief- just like watching ER, where you know there isn’t a DR. Green et al… but you still react as if they are real. This stuff just annoys me. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_The\_Diver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ac8455/32.png) [@Buck\_The\_Diver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_The_Diver)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2001, 4:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-did-you-dislike-the-most-in-a-trek-series/84993/33 "2001-10-03T04:59:58Z")
What I disliked most about TREK? At least they addressed this in the first episode of “Enterprise”… Where the hell are the goddamned seatbelts? Buck The Diver \<—thinks the bridge needs airbags ---
**Author:** ![pezwookiee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9d8465/32.png) [@pezwookiee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pezwookiee)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2001, 6:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-did-you-dislike-the-most-in-a-trek-series/84993/34 "2001-10-03T06:27:30Z")
I don’t think this deserves another post necessarily, but I do have a _Star Trek_ question that seems to relate to this. When did Berman and Braga take over? I know they’re the guys behind _Voyager_ and _Enterprise_, but I never really kept up with the behind-the-scenes folks of _Star Trek_. What else did they do that messed stuff up in the dopers’ opinion besides making the Borg less menacing? ---
**Author:** ![MagicalSilverKey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8797f3/32.png) [@MagicalSilverKey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MagicalSilverKey)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2001, 6:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-did-you-dislike-the-most-in-a-trek-series/84993/35 "2001-10-03T06:42:05Z")
I most disliked the fact, that all of these characters had to wear clothing!!! 😃 Seven of Nine (need I say more? roowwwwwr!) Counselor Deanna Troi Dr. Beverly Crusher Tasha Yar Kirsan Dax and what the hell, throw Cap’n Janeway in the list too! ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2001, 7:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-did-you-dislike-the-most-in-a-trek-series/84993/36 "2001-10-03T07:40:54Z")
Tom Paris. The number of times modifying the TriCorder saved the day - what was a TriCorder _for_ if it had to be modified to be useful? ---
**Author:** ![Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e19adc/32.png) [@Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2001, 9:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-did-you-dislike-the-most-in-a-trek-series/84993/37 "2001-10-03T09:25:24Z")
The fans (whoops!) Actually, I thought Voyager sucked the big one-- everything about it. Dark Space, nanoprobes, technobabble, “episodicness”, Janeway, the reduction of the Borg, etc… the “Enterprise” theme. Time travel wackiness (it’s so rarely done _right_). ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2001, 9:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-did-you-dislike-the-most-in-a-trek-series/84993/38 "2001-10-03T09:41:04Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by MagicalSilverKey \* > \*\*I most disliked the fact, that all of these characters had to wear clothing!!! 😃 > > Seven of Nine (need I say more? roowwwwwr!) > Counselor Deanna Troi > Dr. Beverly Crusher > Tasha Yar > Kirsan Dax > and what the hell, throw Cap’n Janeway in the list too! \*\* Kurzan seems SOOO out of place on that list. Especially since the only time we met him, he was in Odo. (Are you sure you didn’t mean Jadzia or Ezri? ::Sigh:: You probably mean Jadzia, but there’s no accounting for taste. ::Drifts:: Ah, Ezri.) ---
**Author:** ![TheeGrumpy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/779978/32.png) [@TheeGrumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TheeGrumpy)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2001, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-did-you-dislike-the-most-in-a-trek-series/84993/39 "2001-10-03T13:20:23Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Steelerphan \* > **Magical last-minute fixes that never appear again, even if they could be used in the current situation.** There are times when magical fixes are recalled in later episodes – for example, “Night Terrors” explicitly borrows the deflector-dish modifications from “BOBW”, though it doesn’t work. Picard also refers in “Family” to the tectonic stabilizing they did in “Pen Pals”. Unfortunately, this leads to another kind of mistake: the “Pat ourselves on the back for our clever continuity” syndrome, which leaves everyone oblivious to the more common errors that crop up in every other episode. Stop congratulating yourselves, guys! [Another example of “outsmarting yourselves with continuity” is in Voyager’s “Year of Hell”. This was foreshadowed in “Before and After”, except that Kes was definitely part of the Year of Hell scenario. Since the events later transpire in Kes’ abscence (and some distance away, thanks to her parting “gift”), it makes no sense. But Ken Biller wanted to capitalize on his previous set-up, Kes or no Kes.] ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2001, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-did-you-dislike-the-most-in-a-trek-series/84993/40 "2001-10-03T13:55:11Z")
Are you refering to Kes’ presence in Year Of Hell when she was supposed to be at Macy’s or something? That is what Janeway called “That time travel s\_\_t”. Well, she didn’t but she will. Actually she said it gave her a headache, which is why we shouldn’t have female Starship Captains…mysteries gave Captain Kirk a bellyache instead, which says something about testosterone in general and…was I saying something? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-did-you-dislike-the-most-in-a-trek-series/84993.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-did-you-dislike-the-most-in-a-trek-series/84993.md?page=3)