# What did you dislike the most in a Trek series? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 2, 2001, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-did-you-dislike-the-most-in-a-trek-series/84993 "2001-10-02T16:46:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![NutMagnet](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ea5d25/32.png) [@NutMagnet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NutMagnet)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2001, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-did-you-dislike-the-most-in-a-trek-series/84993/41 "2001-10-03T13:56:54Z")
I’m with TheeGrumpy on this one. Sparks from the control panels or anything else electrical??? Ever hear of a fuse??!! Optical or low voltage components??!! This is the core of my criticism. They never learned from past mistakes and never used common sense. In the original series, they always sent the 2 senior officers and Bones down to the planet (and the obligatory sacrificial red-shirt), leaving Scotty to run the ship. Don’t you think they’d learn? Send somebody else! And come up with a code word meaning “we’ve been captured and are being forced to do and say these things” or “we’re all right and it’s the real me”. Or “if you haven’t heard from us in X minutes, beam us up” Geez, there are more failsafes and backups in an average fire drill. ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2001, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-did-you-dislike-the-most-in-a-trek-series/84993/42 "2001-10-03T14:06:03Z")
Why is it that mysterious things happen on board a starship or space station, but nobody has any video cameras pointing at the spot that will give them clues about the perpetrators? Always they are stuck in a situation where some crazy thing is going nuts somewhere, and they can’t track them down. This is the 25th Century??? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Mad\_Hermit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b5ac83/32.png) [@The\_Mad\_Hermit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Mad_Hermit)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2001, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-did-you-dislike-the-most-in-a-trek-series/84993/43 "2001-10-03T19:25:45Z")
Good point, TheeGrumpy. How about this for a doozy? The _Enterprise_ is hit by the Romulans in “Balance of Terror”, causing the now obligatory sparks from under Spock’s console. Spock opens the panel and **slaps out the electrical fire with his bare hands.** Pezwookiee, here’s my opinion on how they fucked up the Borg: The first impressions were scary- how could you resist something like this? When it took Q to “rescue” them in the first place? (Side rant: Whoopi did not seem very impressed by the Borg. They destroyed her world, but she seemed too cool about the whole thing. Even with Q mucking around. Oh well.) The Borg were painted as a force of nature. Then they have Hugh. OK, Picard was rescued, maybe people can recover. Still scary. Now Lore takes over after the Borg which recovered Hugh go nuts. A little stretch, but wouldn’t the Borg have a way to stop this? This seems too obvious- as something the Borg would have needed to take care of, or their collective would fall apart, like the Soviet Union. Then they make the movie, and Voyager. A queen? The Borg showed disdain for a “hierarchical structure”, as being inefficient, but they HAVE ONE. A fatal weakness is introduced. Nanoprobes, or whatever they call them. Picard didn’t have any, or they would have known about them before “Scorpion.” So they keep changing the nature of the Borg in the guise of “discovery”. sounds like discontinuity. I won’t even get into the last ep of Voyager, or all of Seven’s technology. Everything seemed to be invented on the fly, to fix a bad storyline. So, the Borg are wussified, and taken away as a future threat (until someone else is backed into a corner on a script.) Other nits: Ezri Dax. Vegas in the holosuites. (Go to the Hilton in Las Vegas for a good time at the Star Trek Experience, I highly recommend it.) An obvious plug that took up much too much screen time. Picard and children. Riker and women. Troi and men. Why do they write these scenes? What was the point? ranting on… ---
**Author:** ![Cliffy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/59ef9b/32.png) [@Cliffy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cliffy)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2001, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-did-you-dislike-the-most-in-a-trek-series/84993/44 "2001-10-03T21:47:02Z")
Well, Voyager certainly defanged a lot about the Borg, but the reappearance of the Queen in that series after her destruction in First Contact was a redeeming factor. The Borg with a queen weren’t really the Borg, but when “the queen” was a status that could be transfered from one Borg bio-unit to another it alleviated the problem quite a bit. The heirarchy still existed, but Borg specilization was merely temporary; not intrinsic to specific units. On the other hand, in the Voyager epiosde with the child-borgs (whom I eventually liked because Icheb could act) the five of them run their ship telepathically the way we saw other Borg do so in the past. But that’s not how the Borg’s “telepathic” control of their ship works; the unit issuing the command looks like she’s using telepathy to talk directly to the ship, but actually she’s using the Borg network to communicate with another drone who’s standing next to the rudder. That ticked me off. –Cliffy ---
**Author:** ![Enola\_Straight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/dec6dc/32.png) [@Enola\_Straight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enola_Straight)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2001, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-did-you-dislike-the-most-in-a-trek-series/84993/45 "2001-10-03T22:32:11Z")
Selective use of the Prime Directive. Gen. Order #1 states no Starfleet Officer will interfere in the natural development of a culture: any crewmember or vessel is expendable in favor of upholding this principle. This implies that peoples of cultures have the inherent right to be left alone. Guess who dosen’t have that right…humans and other species native to the Federation. When Starfleet forcefully removed citizens from colony worlds in the Cardassian DMZ, that most certainly interfered with their cultures. The whole idea behind the ceding of territory and colonist relocation was to achieve peace with the Cardassian union. They allied with the Dominion and started the most terrible war humanity ever knew. Thus, peace was a faliure…due to cultural interference. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2001, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-did-you-dislike-the-most-in-a-trek-series/84993/46 "2001-10-03T23:36:58Z")
enola straight! that’s a classic handle! i only watched the orig star trek and it occured to me that they never solved problems the easy way. transporter busted? use the goddamn shuttlecraft! spock in a fist fight? use the damn spocko move, buddy! also, the drama that built up just before a commercial break was invariably a real let down when the show came back. example: kirk and spock are trapped in a room and the bad guys are coming for them, music swells, then…(commercial break)… they quickly hide around the corner and knock the bad guys down with one punch and a spocko! wow. hey, look! paint drying! ---
**Author:** ![The\_Peyote\_Coyote](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/5f8ce5/32.png) [@The\_Peyote\_Coyote](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Peyote_Coyote)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2001, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-did-you-dislike-the-most-in-a-trek-series/84993/47 "2001-10-03T23:42:24Z")
Enola, if the Federation ever intended to honor the Prime Directive it would have hung Kirk halfway through the first season. Frankly, if the Federation was that concerned about impinging upon other cultures it should have left them alone. ---
**Author:** ![FallenAngel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@FallenAngel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FallenAngel)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2001, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-did-you-dislike-the-most-in-a-trek-series/84993/48 "2001-10-04T00:10:58Z")
I’ve found the same three things I dislike in every Star Trek series: 1. Opening Credits 2. Closing Credits 3. Everything in between. ---
**Author:** ![rdky2000](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/5f9b8f/32.png) [@rdky2000](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rdky2000)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2001, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-did-you-dislike-the-most-in-a-trek-series/84993/49 "2001-10-04T02:35:02Z")
Hi All Well,too begin with,seems like I’m only ansering Trek threads- gotta break lose somewhere 1-The Borg 2-The Borg Queen (borg wernt supposed to have any–they said so) 3-The Impotent Q 4-The Death of Spock 5-The Death of Kirk 6-The Death of Tasha Yar 7-The Death of any family member who came abord ship 8-Reccuring plots in different times/series 9-All human looking aliens 10-Berman and Braga (especially Berman) Rich in Seattle ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2001, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-did-you-dislike-the-most-in-a-trek-series/84993/50 "2001-10-04T02:41:01Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by rdky2000 \* > \*\* > 6-The Death of Tasha Yar > \*\* Well, I wish it had been Wesley, but… Come to think of it, dirt magazienes were her downfall, and this Vulcan woman, dirty mags were her, er previous profession. Maybe you’ve got a case for number ten. Maybe it just says something bad about Roddenberry. ---
**Author:** ![MagicalSilverKey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8797f3/32.png) [@MagicalSilverKey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MagicalSilverKey)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2001, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-did-you-dislike-the-most-in-a-trek-series/84993/51 "2001-10-04T02:50:35Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Tengu \* > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > \*Originally posted by MagicalSilverKey \* > > \*\*I most disliked the fact, that all of these characters had to wear clothing!!! 😃 > > > > Seven of Nine (need I say more? roowwwwwr!) > > Counselor Deanna Troi > > Dr. Beverly Crusher > > Tasha Yar > > Kirsan Dax > > and what the hell, throw Cap’n Janeway in the list too! \*\* > > Kurzan seems SOOO out of place on that list. Especially since the only time we met him, he was in Odo. > > (Are you sure you didn’t mean Jadzia or Ezri? ::Sigh:: You probably mean Jadzia, but there’s no accounting for taste. ::Drifts:: Ah, Ezri.) \*\* The Dax I am thinking of was the hot brunette with the “cheetah spot” trails up the sides of her neck and a “Lara Croft” pony tail. I don’t know who played her/it though. You’re probably right that it was Jadzia. ---
**Author:** ![kingpengvin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/9dc877/32.png) [@kingpengvin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kingpengvin)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2001, 5:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-did-you-dislike-the-most-in-a-trek-series/84993/52 "2001-10-04T05:25:28Z")
Hmmmmm… (1)Time Travel, it is almost the same cop out as the Holo Deck. (2)The magic reset button (see 1) (3)The fact that Voyager without a space dock to do repairs ends up looking as pristine as the day she left DS9 (see 1 and 2) (4)The fact that Star Trek (especially Voyager) went from an attempt at serious science fiction into New age mumbo Jumbo disguised as science fiction. (5) Spock’s Brian (6) Season 1, 2 and most of 3 of STNG (7) Wesley (8) All the plots have become dime store mysteries that if you watch enough Trek you can figure out before the second commercial break. (8) That F’n theme to Enterprise (9) The fact they dropped Star trek from the title when it made more sense to use than DS9 (10) the DS9 final episode. (11) Winky the Keebler Space elf… Sorry I mean Wayoon. (12) The Odd numbered Trek Movies (possible exception of III) (13) Warp core Breeches and transporter accidents… couldn’t they find another device to gain tension? (15) Families on board… After all these years of experience with every hostile alien in the galaxy What the Fuck is Starfleet thinking? (16) Characters falling in love… stupid and boring date and marriage episodes follow. (17) Younger fans who have no appreciation for the Original Star Trek. Just because you grew up watching in the eighties doesn’t make you a true fan unless you give credit to the Original Series and the innovations that allowed for the franchise you can grumble about today. 18)The fact new Fans force me to have to call it TOS… the show is Star Trek Damn it! That was its title that is its name. When the credits come on it does not say The original series it says Star Trek!! Live with it… Rant! (19) This list… I do Like Star Trek in it’s many forms and now you’ve gone and made me list all the things I hate about it. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2001, 12:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-did-you-dislike-the-most-in-a-trek-series/84993/53 "2001-10-04T12:43:46Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by MagicalSilverKey \* > \*\*I don’t know who played her/it though. You’re probably right that it was Jadzia. \*\* What boat, er starship did you get off of? Dax is a worm that lives inside Trill, the people with the dots. Kurzon and Judzia were “hosts”, or people he lived inside. They share memories and experiences. You lust after a big ol’ worm/slug/bisexual thingie. ^:)^ ---
**Author:** ![TheeGrumpy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/779978/32.png) [@TheeGrumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TheeGrumpy)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2001, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-did-you-dislike-the-most-in-a-trek-series/84993/54 "2001-10-04T13:27:38Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by kingpengvin \* > **(6) Season 1, 2 and most of 3 of STNG** I won’t stand for that! _All_ of TNG Season 3 rang like a crystal goblet! Hardly a failure at all the entire year! It was like magic! Except for “A Matter of Perspective”. And maybe “Menage a Trois”. And “Transfigurations”. > [@](#): > > **(13) Warp core Breeches and transporter accidents… couldn’t they find another device to gain tension?** Worse than that (and I’m sorry I forgot about it until now) is the goddamn warp-core ejector system – _which never works when you need to eject the core!_ ---
**Author:** ![Cliffy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/59ef9b/32.png) [@Cliffy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cliffy)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2001, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-did-you-dislike-the-most-in-a-trek-series/84993/55 "2001-10-04T14:21:00Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by kingpengvin \* > **(5) Spock’s Brian** Spock had a guy named Brian? I must have missed that episode! ^:)^ –Cliffy, upon whom the Enterprise theme is starting to grow ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2001, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-did-you-dislike-the-most-in-a-trek-series/84993/56 "2001-10-05T00:20:02Z")
The uniform in the original. ACK. RIker. RIker’s smirk. RIker. The guy who played Riker. The Character Riker. Deep Space Nine stoid ---
**Author:** ![Sir\_Rhosis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d9b06d/32.png) [@Sir\_Rhosis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sir_Rhosis)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2001, 8:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-did-you-dislike-the-most-in-a-trek-series/84993/57 "2001-10-05T08:51:10Z")
Yeah, Cliffy, They then did a sequel to that episode with James Caan guesting, called Spock’s Brian’s Song. 🙂 Sir Rhosis ---
**Author:** ![kingpengvin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/9dc877/32.png) [@kingpengvin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kingpengvin)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2001, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-did-you-dislike-the-most-in-a-trek-series/84993/58 "2001-10-05T13:58:28Z")
AWWW Crap! Me bad! ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2001, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-did-you-dislike-the-most-in-a-trek-series/84993/59 "2001-10-05T14:17:53Z")
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