What did your grandfather do?

Paternal grandfather: Left County Mayo, Ireland, somewhere around 1910 for Alberta, Canada. Became a teacher on an Indian reservation near Harrison Mills, BC. Immigrated to the US in 1946 (my Dad immigrated from BC in 1939) and worked for the San Francisco Public Library.

Maternal grandfather: Left Split, Dalmatia, also around 1910. Went to Lead, South Dakota, to work at the Homestead Gold Mine. Around 1925 moved to Oakland, California, where he worked for the county water department digging ditches.

Although totally different people, they became great friends and listened to SF Seals/Oakland Acorns baseball games on the radio together. Relatives say that their conversations in dueling accents were amusing.

There was an MPSIMS thread around a few weeks ago that asked which ten people (deceased) you’d want to have a conversation with. My first two choices were my two grandfathers, followed by Thomas Jefferson.

My grandfathers were war heroes.

My paternal grandfather was a pilot trainer in Canada during the war. He bugged and bugged the RCAF to get overseas and into combat, and in early 1944 they finally let him. He was assigned to a Tempest squadron in Britain, I don’t recall which one.

The Tempest was the ultimate evolution of the prop fighter plane, a huge, fast, powerful fighter that could blow anything out of the sky or off the ground. He loved it. First he was assigned to shoot down V-1 buzz bombs. The buzz bombs were too fast to catch in normal level flight, so they’d patrol over the Channel looking for them. When the buzz bombs came along they’d time a swooping dive towards them so that the speed of the dive pulled them alongside for a moment; then they’d try to knock them down with their wings, which might sound risky but it was a heck of a lot safer than firing cannons at a gigantic bomb. He knocked a few down that way.

As the Allied armies began to sweep over western Europe, his squadron began attacking targets on the ground. He would shoot at trains a lot, using rockets and cannons to knock them off the tracks. He only once ever saw a German fighter plane - the Luftwaffe was more or less annihilated outside of Germany by that time.

One day, while attacking a train, his Tempest had its underbelly shot out by an AA gun. Too low to bail out, he was forced to crash land his plane in a field. Surviving, he jumped out and ran from pursuing German troops. He hid in a forest and later happened across some Dutch people who brought him to a Resistance house. There he met Paul Van Der Aarde, a young man in the Dutch resistance, who took him in.

For some months he served with the Resistance, running sabotage missions, finding other pilots, ambushing Germans, cutting supply lines, fighting almost nonstop. There was little food, so they ate grass and roots and whatever else could be found. He lost weight at a chronic pace. Not once did he suggest leaving them, though. He figured the Allies would be there soon enough.

One day he and Paul were at a house picking up some supplies when a platoon of German troops moved in on them, alerted to their presence. My grandfather held them off with a submachine gun, yelling at Paul to get out and run away. Paul stepped out of the house, empied his entire magazine, killing two Germans, and ran like hell. The German bullets came so close that his coat, which billowed out as he ran, had bullet holes in it. My grandfather surrendered after Paul was gone.

Being an Allied pilot without a uniform, he was a spy, and so was to be executed. Paul, however, had not given up on him, and the Allied army was drawing near. He snuck out of town and fled to the Allied lines; the Americans were advancing in force, and he told them an Allied pilot was to be shot in the morning. The next morning the Americans were on the doorstep of town and sent in an officer under flag of truce who politely informed the German commander that no German in the town would live to see the end of the war if the pilot was not released. My grandfather was released moments from the scheduled execution.

My grandfather, who weighed 180 going into the war, weighed 110 at that point. None of his uniforms fit and he was relieved from active duty because he was so weak.

He never spoke to Paul again; life was like that, you know. They made great friends, brothers in arms, and then you returned to a regular life and… it just happened. My grandfather served with distinction in the air force for many years afterwards, flying Sabre fighters, eventually graduating to Argus submarine killers. He died in 1982. A few years after that Paul came to Canada looking for him, and it was too late. But what do you know… Paul’s granddaughter and my cousin fell in love.

Isn’t that something?

My OTHER grandfather, my mother’s father, was a poor kid from Hamilton. His family was a mess. He went to stay with relatives in Detroit when he was a kid and can still tell you stories about the old Tigers. He watched Goose Goslin win the World Series for the Tigers in 1935. Once, Hank Greenberg threatened to beat the shit out of him for touching his car. Grandpa is very proud of having been threatened by a Hall of Famer.

When war broke out he joined the RCAF, too. He was assigned to heavy bombers; 427 Squadron. At first they were outfitted with Wellington heavy bombers, which were obsolete pretty much from the time they rolled off the assembly line. They had a habit of leaking fuel and exploding. Many of my grandfather’s friends simply vanished on training missions, probably blown to smithereens.

The squadron switched to Halifax bombers in 1943 and began really heavy operations. My grandfather was the copilot, which meant he was also the bombardier. Curiously, their first pilot kept asking him to fly the plane while he “checked on a few things.” As it turned out the “Few things” were bottles of gin. They got a new pilot.

They did everything. They bombed German targets, they bombed railways, they laid mines at sea. My grandfather flew an amazing 35 missions; 17 of them were in daylight. Several were over Germany, including a number of firebombing raids. Once they bombed Hamburg and my grandfather said that at 20,000 feet, where it was normally -20 degrees, he was so hot from the flames of the burning city that he was sweating and took off his jacket.

On one mission they were to drop mines off Kiel. Six bombers flew in unopposed and dropped their mines, but my grandfather’s plane couldn’t drop them; something was wrong with the bomb release in the bomb bay. Flying in circles, frustrated, they told the flight leader to head back and they’d be along once they could get the mines to drop. (They couldn’t land with bombs aboard then.) They had to pry the release open with wrenches to drop the mines, but after 20 minutes managed to get them out and fly back.

The other planes had been ambushed by a flight of German fighters and had all been destroyed. The busted bomb release saved their lives.

The worst ones were his friends who died but the planes came back. Many of his friends were blown to giblets inside their planes. Cannon shells blew off arms, legs, heads. Men were splattered all over the insides of turrets. Kids barely out of their teens had to be removed from their planes with buckets and sponges. The casualty rate in Allied bomber squadrons was appalling; in the RCAF, one in three men in bomber crews in 1943-1944 died or went missing. Still they soldiered on; there was no other way to fight Hitler until the invasion, and the Germans were being worn down even worse. What could they do? My grandfather, a quiet, gentle man who had never even gotten into a fight as a kid and who liked to spend time alone reading and with his family, just kept going on.

He was the only guy in the crew to shoot down a German fighter. While under fighter attack over Germany a Bf-109 was flying underneath their bomber, lining up a bomber in front of them. His .303 couldn’t pivot down that far so he called to the pilot to nose the bomber down so he could shoot at it. He put a burst into the German’s cockpit. The plane was so close he could see the German’s blood on the glass after he shot him. The plane corkscrewed to the ground. My grandfather’s words were heavy when he told me that story, and even as a kid I could tell he always wished he’s hit the engine or something so the German could have bailed out.

His crew was one of the first original 427 crews to survive 35 missions, the tour of duty length. Amidst the blood and horror and almost constant casualties, not one member of his crew was ever scratched. They were called the Jinx Crew because anyone who flew a plane they’d used would promptly be shot down, but they were bulletproof.

For years afterwards, he would wake up screaming.

They had good times though. MGM, the move studio, adopted the squadron and Lana Turner visited them at their base in Leeming. They adopted a lion cub that was supposed to belong to Churchill himself (427’s coat of arms has a lion on it.)

When I joined the Army in 1989, my boot camp was on the Mattawa Plains at CFB Petawawa, north of Ottawa. The first morning we went running for PT up the road, and there was a helicopter squadron not 1500 yards from our camp. It was 427 Squadron. The very same.

After the war he left the air force and then rejoined. In the 1950s he was assigned to, of all places, Germany. They chose to live in town among the Germans, and learned to speak the language. He used to joke that he must have been fighting robots during the war because he never could find a German who would admit to having fought on the Western front. Yet not once did he ever near an iota of ill will towards them.

“They’re just like us,” he’d tell me, “kind, generous people. They made a mistake. What’s past is past.”

I am not sure I would be so forgiving.

Later he joined the Ministry of Transportation and audited trucking companies. Now he’s retired and loves computers, DVD players, and gadgetry of all kinds.

So that is what my grandfathers did. My grandmothers are a whole 'nother message. :slight_smile:

As a sixteen-year-old, my maternal grandfather was quite literally sent to Siberia by the Czar’s henchmen (for what I have no idea). Following his return to the World as he knew it, he met my grandmother, had a couple of kids, and then left on his own for Canada. The plan was for him to make a few bucks and then bring over his family, including my toddler mom. This he did while he worked as a tailor.

I will remember him for i) his omnipresent Rothmans cigarette (and three foot high portable ashtray-stand) ii) his nightly fix of Rye and iii) how he would always berate my mom if she yelled at me. He died from a stroke when I was eighteen.

My paternal grandfather was also first generation Canadian, coming over just before WWI. And also a tailor. My type of guy. Cigarettes and horse races. He died in four stages. First his left leg, then a year later his right, a year after that his spirit, and finally all the rest. I was nineteen.

Neither grandfather had any education past public school (and in the “Old Country” at that). They were positively aglow at my brother’s medical school graduation - honours standing, scholarships, for their first grandson. Do you know what kvelling means?

My grandpa on my mother’s side worked on the Lunar Module at Grumman’s on Long Island. I’ve always enjoyed looking at the moon knowing something my grandfather touched is there.

My paternal grandfather served in Korea, earning three medals; two purple hearts - one bullet, one shrapnel, and one medal for valor. Afterwards, he worked for Apco for many years, retiring in the mid-90s.

My maternal grandfather I believe served in Korea also, in the Navy? Afterwards, he was a high school teacher, then principal. After retiring from teaching and principaling for many years, he became an ordained Methodist minister, and still preaches voluntarily to four rural churches who each meet only once a month and cannot afford to pay a preacher.

–Tim

Neat thread. It’s intriguing to read about the variety of backgrounds of everyone’s grandfathers.

My maternal grandfather was a switchman (one word or two??) for the Erie Railroad. His father had been born in Buffalo, but immigrated back to Ireland for some reason. He married there, some of the kids were born there, and then the family moved back to Buffalo, and had yet more children. No one in my mom’s family knows if their father was born there or here. It doesn’t really matter, since he was raised here anyway, but you would think it would have come up in conversation sometime.

My paternal father was the son of immigrants, and started working at Bethlehem Steel as a teen, and then went heavily into debt to purchase a gas station/mechanic shop. This would have been in the early 1930s. He made quite a good business at the gas station, I think other stations in the area had gone out of business, so he had a bit of a monopoly for a while. He was by no means wealthy, but did well enough that he moved the family from the steel workers’ neighborhood where he was raised to a relatively ritzier street. I’ve heard there was initially a bit of a scandal that a mechanic had the nerve to buy a house in that area.

They both died when my parents were teenagers. It’s amazing to me now to see pictures of them, and realize how much my brother and cousins look like them. Especially on my dad’s side, I think as a family we’re just cloning ourselves.

My maternal grandfather owned a peat-moss ranch in Prarie Du Chien, Illinois, then worked for Sinclair Oil in Palm Beach, Flordia at some desk job.

My paternal grandfather emigrated from Croatia where he was a fisherman on the Mediterranean, to here, where he fished in Alaska and Washington. My dad and I were also fisherman.

My maternal grandfather was a tech-head geek back in the 30s and 40s. Way back in those days, he built a homemade automatic garage door opener which was activated by sounding the car horn (of course the neighbourhood kids used to stand outside it and yell). He worked for the Australian Post Office (back then it controlled telecommunications as well), and was the main guy behind upgrading Australia to direct-dial long distance telephone calls. Because of his knowledge, he was conscripted into the Australian Army Signals Div. in WWII, and served in the occupying forces in Japan after the war ended.

My paternal grandfather was a printer on The Sydney Morning Herald and The Daily Mirror newspapers. He worked on the old linotype machines and printing presses back in the hot lead days.

They both died before I was born. :frowning:

My Grandfathers.

Mom’s dad, Bampa to me, was one of the youngest graduates ever from West Point. About a month older than Custer, and Lee, who are the youngest. He was given his commission at 17, which is generally not done, but “The Great War” was on, and he was needed. Actually, he wasn’t needed, because the Great War was over by the time he got to Europe. So, he came home still a second lieutenant in a very large peacetime army.

Rank came slowly in the twenties. Then the whole army got rifted because of the Depression. My grandfather served for nineteen years as a lieutenant, altogether. Then he made Captain. He was still a Major when he got his first important command. His Signal Company was given the job of installing the new fangled RADAR system around the military facilities on Oahu. That’s right, he installed the air raid warning system at Pearl Harbor, in 1940. It had some problems, early on, mostly due to operator enthusiasm. There were some false alarms, in the first months. No one wanted to be the guy who woke up the base commander on a Sunday morning in December a year later, when it had another of its little twitches. My grandfather had moved on by then.

War is good for promotions, although it is hard on soldiers. By the end of the next Great War, he was a Brigadier General. High enough in rank to be singled out by Drew Pearson as the target for columns decrying the appointment of known nazis to government contract work in the reconstruction of the American Sector of Germany. The fact that every single electrical and civil engineer in Germany was associated with the former Nazi party was no excuse. That kind of publicity doesn’t make for a good career outlook. He left the service shortly after being cleared of wrongdoing. He went on to become a vice president of Western Electric Corporation, and retired again.

He knew more about how people actually make decisions than anyone else I ever knew. He would watch two men walking down a bank, and then tell you that the second one would take a different route. Then he would explain how he knew. One man saw the first man slip. He was watching him, and used that knowledge to change his route. Such a simple thing. He was that observant in most everything about how people do things.

I remember him in his final years telling me, “Hell, if I can’t drink, can’t smoke, and have to eat this crap, I’d rather go ahead and die.” So he did, at eighty-three. He had supported himself for his entire life, and his own parents for thirty years, and left enough financial security to support my Grandmother through her 100th birthday. He also had 32 perfect teeth, and died of “natural causes.” If you stop eating, well, naturally, you die. Arthritis had taken from him the ability to do anything he liked to do. He was unwilling to live a life he did not enjoy.

Tris

“It is not the business of a soldier to die for his country. The business of a soldier is to arrange things so that some other poor son of a bitch gets to die for HIS country.” ~ George S. Patton ~

Is that cool, or what? Geez, we can close this thread now!
Grok wins.
:slight_smile:

My paternal grandfather was a chemical engineer for Goodyear, and before that a radar technition in the navy.
My maternal grandfather was a doctor, later specializing in psychology at a VA hospital. Both are still alive and retired.

My Mom’s dad was a farmer until he couldn’t make a go of it anymore. Then he moved the family to the city and became a railroad engineer and part-time carpenter. He died when I was three so I don’t really remember him which I’ve always thought was a shame. Grandmother just tried to get along. She was always so distant, because, I guess, while she had five kids only one survived infancy.

My dad’s father died when I was young too. Actually I don’t know anything about him. I didn’t even know his name until a few months ago. However my grandmother on this side of the family was a great cook. She and her sister ran a restaurant.

Interesting thread. Glad it got bumped.

My maternal grandfather was a postal inspector. He travelled all over. It was a pretty cool job, apparently.

My dad’s dad was a farmer. Not a good one, unfortunately; they were terribly, terribly poor. He also died fairly young.

Both died before I was born.

Paternal Grandfather: Irish immigrant who worked in the post office all of his life.

Maternal Grandfather: Subsistance farmer, with 13 children. When my father was courting my mother (the fifties) they had no electricity. Till she was 79 my grandmother had no running water. When he was 90 he got into a state one day because the hardware store in town wouldn’t sell him dynamite. (he wanted to blow up beaver dams at the ‘ranch’, a wild stretch of land where he occasionally trapped or ran livestock). He was right royally pissed about it and was convinced the world was going to hell. He’d lived in this community all of his life, everyone in town knew him and he just couldn’t understand why they didn’t think it was a good idea for him to be doing this. They offered to sell it to his son instead, but that just pissed him off more. I loved him a lot, he died when I was 11.

My mother’s father was a Mr Fix-It. We have a picture of him by his pick up truck with Mr. Fix It painted on the side. I was never sure exactly what he fixed though, but most home repairs he could take a crack at. When I knew him he was retired, and spent most of his time on his fishing boat.

My father’s father was a barber from age twelve. He worked his way up to the most sought after barber in the shop where he worked, and then opened his own. My grandmother worked with him specializing in permanents and such. They bought a two story building, shop below and home above. Sold it several years ago, and now he’s retired, devoting himself to his charities and keeping his skills sharp cutting the family’s hair.

Paternal grandfather: He really wanted to become a doctor, but the most he could get in the island(PR) at the time(1930-1940’s)was a master’s degree in medicine technology. So he got it. He later went to Michigan and tried to continue but money and a family couldn’t let him finish. He became a teacher of neuroanatomy for many decades. He is still alive, after he had an accident a few years ago that almost take his life and ability to think(his treasure). He was the one who made me choose the sciences field to study. Oh, he didn’t participate in any war, he was in the university, or teaching at one, and besides, he has a deformed foot.

Maternal grandfather: Self-made man, from the country he went on to study education, became a teacher, went again to university to take a master’s degree in education, and finished being principal of various public schools.(One at a time, of course) He is now currently retired, and a very religious man(Presbyterian). He had colon cancer a few years ago, and now is ostomized(I hope I wrote that right).
Love them both, dearly.

** Maternal Grandfather **

Worked as a auto mechanic from the age of sixteen. He even had a scar from breaking his arm when trying to crank start a car and the crank got away from him. Huge w shape on his left forearm.

Served in the Navy in WWII,based in the Phillipines. I still have some of the dolls he bought as gifts there. When he died in 1990 we had his Navy picture-him standing on deck in uniform-restored and copies made.

After the war he went back to being a mechanic and did that until he died. Near the end of his life when the arthritis got too bad he was more of a supervisor but I can still remember when I got my driver’s license-he made a point of teaching me how to do the basics on a car. One summer afternoon he taught me how to change a flat,check the fluids,even how to change the belts.

** Paternal Grandfather **

When I say paternal grandfather,I’m referring to my stepfather’s father. My mother divorced my biological father when I was three and I haven’t seen/heard fom him since.

He was a farmer his whole life,mostly corn but did raise dairy cows and pigs. Served in WWII in the Army-did not like to talk about it but I know he was there when they found out what had happened in Auschtwitz. Lived in Hayti, Missouri for the rest of his life. Every time we’d visit he encourage my tendancy to pick up accents until I’d go back to Illinois sounding like a Southern belle. :slight_smile:

My paternal grandmother was born in England, and came to the US as a war bride. She met my grandfather during WWII in England, they got married and she moved to the US. He was a steelworker. They got divorced when my dad was about 16, and my grandmother worked as a buyer for a department store after that.

My maternal grandfather was a Teamster; a truckdriver. He was born in Quebec, moved here as an infant. My maternal grandmother was a housewife, though as a young girl, she worked in the mills, when she wasn’t taking care of her sick mother.

Both sides of my family lived in the same area, which is cool because I can say that I have roots. My grandmother graduated from the same high school I and my cousins and my parents all did.

Maternal Grandfather

I don’t remember meeting him-I think he died a couple of years after I was born. I do know that he died of a stroke while in the TB hospital in Chattanooga, Tennessee. I don’t know what he did for work. (Note: searching the social security death index gave me only one that died around the appropriate time. The others were in the early 1990s. This one was 1971. So, I suppose I never met him, since I was born in 1973.)

Maternal Grandmother
Born in 1918, died 1995. She was an LPN, referred to by my dad as a “long playing nurse”. Devout Catholic, born in Memphis, TN. She had 6 children, 5 girls and a boy. She was a cool lady-I didn’t realize how cool until she was gone.

Paternal Grandfather
I never met him, and don’t know how he died or when-I can’t find a listing in the death index. He and my grandmother divorced, and we’ve never really been told anything about him. I understand that it was quite messy, but I’m not sure.

Paternal Step-Grandfather
Born 1904, died of Alzheimer’s in 1994. I know he was a veteran-he was buried in the National Cemetary in Chattanooga-and I assume it was WWII, since he would have been a little young for WWI. But, he would have been almost 40 when WWII broke out. I don’t know if he was married before he met my grandmother, or if he had any kids. It would be nice to know, I think, but I don’t know how to bring it up to my father.

Paternal Grandmother
After she and my grandfather divorced, she worked as a buyer for Miller Bros. Department store in Chattanooga, and retired sometime in the mid 80s. She was born in 1919 and died in 1998. I recently realized that it’s kind of cool that I’m now working for a clothing manufacturer, one she probably dealt with when she was working. She took care of my (step)grandfather with minimal help when he was sick, got braces in her mid-80s. Like my maternal grandmother, I didn’t find out what I could have from her, and now I wish I had talked to both my grandmothers more.

[a bold repair job, if I do say so myself-Czarcasm]

[Edited by Czarcasm on 06-16-2001 at 09:36 PM]

Very interesting thread indeed. Quite a few coal miners, it seems.

Paternal Grandfather: First-generation immigrant from a farming community in the Krajina region of Yugoslavia ( now Croatia ). Worked as a coal miner and had a subsistence farm in western Pennsylvania. Died of Black Lung less than a year after I was born.

Maternal Grandfather: The son of Mississippi sharecroppers. Worked as a cop in small town Maryland ( I forget the name ). Died when my mother was 18 ( a few years before I was born ) of a bladder infection during a routine hospital stay.

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[fixed da bold-Czarcasm]

[Edited by Czarcasm on 06-16-2001 at 09:40 PM]