# What distinguishes a pogrom from a race riot? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 19, 2024, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-distinguishes-a-pogrom-from-a-race-riot/1010460 "2024-11-19T14:09:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2024, 7:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-distinguishes-a-pogrom-from-a-race-riot/1010460/101 "2024-11-21T07:29:59Z")
Umm, you aren’t aware that it’s Israelis and Palestinians that are doing the shooting? One might conclude that conflating Israelis with Jews is a form of anti-Semitism. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2024, 7:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-distinguishes-a-pogrom-from-a-race-riot/1010460/102 "2024-11-21T07:32:38Z")
Is that a distinction worth making in this case? ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2024, 7:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-distinguishes-a-pogrom-from-a-race-riot/1010460/103 "2024-11-21T07:34:20Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > I think I said Israelis but regardless…is that a distinction worth making in this case? Maybe you should ask some non-Israeli Jews? ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2024, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-distinguishes-a-pogrom-from-a-race-riot/1010460/104 "2024-11-21T07:35:51Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > Really alarming that you’d think Joe Israeli Soldier is keen on shooting a child. …you claim you read my cites, yeah? The one from the BBC with testimony from the British Surgeon about the sniper drones deliberately targeting children? NPR if you don’t trust the BBC: > **[Witnesses say Israel is using sniper drones in Gaza and they're shooting...](https://www.npr.org/2024/11/20/1214145098/witnesses-say-israel-is-using-sniper-drones-in-gaza-and-theyre-shooting-civilian)** > > Last week British surgeon Nizam Mamode testified in front of a committee in the U.K. Parliament. Dr. Mamode had recently returned from working at a hospital in Central Gaza. He told parliamentary members what he witnessed, including drones that would... From Dallas NBC Fort Worth: > **[‘What we've witnessed': DFW doctors sign open letter to President Biden on Gaza](https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/dfw-doctors-sign-open-letter-president-biden-gaza/3663115/)** > > Nearly a dozen healthcare workers in North Texas are joining ranks with others across the country, detailing their medical missions in Gaza and calling on President Biden to impose an arms embargo and ceasefire. > [@](#): > > “When you see that there are kids who you see who have no other injuries, that means they were not part of an air strike, they were not under the rubble, they were just walking or doing something and they have not one, but sometimes two or three sniper shots. That tells you that they were the target. It was not a missed target. They were the target," Ali said. Euro med Monitor (some upsetting photos) [In a week, Israeli army executes 13 children in and near Al-Shifa Hospital](https://euromedmonitor.org/en/article/6246/In-a-week,-Israeli-army-executes-13-children-in-and-near-Al-Shifa-Hospital) The Guardian: > **[‘Not a normal war’: doctors say children have been targeted by Israeli...](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/02/gaza-palestinian-children-killed-idf-israel-war)** > > IDF says it ‘completely rejects’ charge that its soldiers deliberately fired on any of the thousands of civilians killed in Israeli offensive > [@](#): > > “I asked the nurse, what’s the history? She said that they were brought in a couple of hours ago. They had sniper shots to the brain. They were seven or eight years old,” she said. > > The Canadian doctor’s heart sank. These were not the first children treated by Alvi who she was told were targeted by Israeli soldiers, and she knew the damage a single high-calibre bullet could do to a fragile young body. > > … > > But doctors also reported treating a steady stream of children, elderly people and others who were clearly not combatants with single bullet wounds to the head or chest. > > Some of the physicians said that the types and locations of the wounds, and accounts of Palestinians who brought children to the hospital, led them to believe the victims were directly targeted by Israeli troops. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2024, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-distinguishes-a-pogrom-from-a-race-riot/1010460/105 "2024-11-21T07:35:52Z")
73.6% of Israel is Jewish. You are on a weird nitpick. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2024, 7:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-distinguishes-a-pogrom-from-a-race-riot/1010460/106 "2024-11-21T07:37:08Z")
Are all Jews Israelis? If no, then not a nitpick! ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2024, 7:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-distinguishes-a-pogrom-from-a-race-riot/1010460/107 "2024-11-21T07:38:07Z")
No. 73.6% of Israelis are Jews. I already told you that. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2024, 7:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-distinguishes-a-pogrom-from-a-race-riot/1010460/108 "2024-11-21T07:42:48Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > Your hatred for Jews is alarming. My hate is for fascist murderers, not “Jews”. So if that’s the only argument you have, you’ve already admitted defeat. > [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > Really alarming that you’d think Joe Israeli Soldier is keen on shooting a child. They can prove me wrong by, you know, not fucking sniping toddlers. > [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > You are at least as bad as those you want to condemn. Fuck off. “At least as bad” as kiddie butchers? You’re fundamentally _broken_, motherfucker. > [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > Your viewpoint is vile and evil. Funny, that’s exactly what I think of your genocide denial. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2024, 7:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-distinguishes-a-pogrom-from-a-race-riot/1010460/109 "2024-11-21T07:45:23Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > They can prove me wrong by, you know, not fucking sniping toddlers. Is it Israel’s policy to kill all Palestinians? Any gender. Any age. Anywhere they find them? ETA: I also suspect you were one of the idiots who voted for Trump (or stayed home) because you were mad at Biden about his policy with Israel. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2024, 7:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-distinguishes-a-pogrom-from-a-race-riot/1010460/110 "2024-11-21T07:49:01Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > Is it Israel’s policy to kill all Palestinians? …it doesn’t have to be policy. People are simply reporting what they see on the ground. There are multiple witnesses, both Palestinians and independent doctors and medical staff from outside of Gaza that worked at the hospitals. They are telling us what they witnessed. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2024, 7:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-distinguishes-a-pogrom-from-a-race-riot/1010460/111 "2024-11-21T07:49:48Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > ETA: I also suspect you were one of the idiots who voted for Trump (or stayed home) because you were mad at Biden about his policy with Israel. …I for one, didn’t vote for Biden. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2024, 7:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-distinguishes-a-pogrom-from-a-race-riot/1010460/112 "2024-11-21T07:50:59Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > > [@MrDibble](#): > > > > They can prove me wrong by, you know, not fucking sniping toddlers. > > Is it Israel’s policy to kill all Palestinians? > > Any gender. Any age. Anywhere they find them? Why the fuck would I participate in your Gish Gallop? Go JAQ off at someone who thinks you have any shred of sincerity in asking your questions I’m sure if you look around you can find some IOF killers you haven’t eagerly fellated yet, maybe they’ll give you the time of day. Remember to always cup the balls tenderly… > [@](#): > > ETA: I also suspect you were one of the idiots who voted for Trump (or stayed home) because you were mad at Biden about his policy with Israel. “He don’t know me very well, do he?” ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2024, 7:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-distinguishes-a-pogrom-from-a-race-riot/1010460/113 "2024-11-21T07:53:18Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Why the fuck would I participate in your Gish Gallop? Huh? Not sure you know what that means. I certainly didn’t do it. Any gender/age/anywhere is about basic Israeli policy. Are they telling their soldiers to shoot any Palestinian they see, regardless of age or gender, if they get the chance? Are they telling their soldiers that? No Gish Gallop. One question. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2024, 7:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-distinguishes-a-pogrom-from-a-race-riot/1010460/114 "2024-11-21T07:58:22Z")
Too dumb to even count. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2024, 7:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-distinguishes-a-pogrom-from-a-race-riot/1010460/115 "2024-11-21T07:59:15Z")
You got nothing then. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2024, 8:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-distinguishes-a-pogrom-from-a-race-riot/1010460/116 "2024-11-21T08:02:20Z")
Whereas you’ll always have the back alley of the IOF barracks, I guess… ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2024, 8:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-distinguishes-a-pogrom-from-a-race-riot/1010460/117 "2024-11-21T08:04:45Z")
Weird how Trumpy you are. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2024, 8:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-distinguishes-a-pogrom-from-a-race-riot/1010460/118 "2024-11-21T08:23:41Z")
“Trumpy.” Die? I nearly laughed!. Keep working on this surreal nonsensical humour routine you’re trying out, I’m sure it will develop into actual comedy any day now… ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2024, 8:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-distinguishes-a-pogrom-from-a-race-riot/1010460/119 "2024-11-21T08:24:38Z")
With apologies and a big 😉 to MrDibble I’da gone with ‘uppity’! ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2024, 8:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-distinguishes-a-pogrom-from-a-race-riot/1010460/120 "2024-11-21T08:29:28Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > Is it Israel’s policy to kill all Palestinians? > > Any gender. Any age. Anywhere they find them? You _do_ realize that you are arguing that many historical genocides were not in fact genocides? What Israel is doing is modeled after the American genocide of the Native Americans, not the Nazis. But it’s still genocide. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-distinguishes-a-pogrom-from-a-race-riot/1010460.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-distinguishes-a-pogrom-from-a-race-riot/1010460.md?page=7)