# What distinguishes a pogrom from a race riot? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 19, 2024, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-distinguishes-a-pogrom-from-a-race-riot/1010460 "2024-11-19T14:09:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2024, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-distinguishes-a-pogrom-from-a-race-riot/1010460/161 "2024-11-21T19:28:10Z")
“Moroccan Muslims” is the new buzzword that all IOF fanbois have to sling as often as possible, I see, since “Jew Hunt” by itself wasn’t gaining enough traction and “pogrom” is just on its face laughable. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2024, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-distinguishes-a-pogrom-from-a-race-riot/1010460/162 "2024-11-21T19:29:36Z")
I was noticing that. “It’s inexcusable to hate people based on their nationality/ethnicity/religion, like MOROCCAN MUSLIMS do!!!” ---
**Author:** ![songsoflovetrouble](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9dc877/32.png) [@songsoflovetrouble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/songsoflovetrouble)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2024, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-distinguishes-a-pogrom-from-a-race-riot/1010460/163 "2024-11-21T19:33:09Z")
Were the people doing the Jew Hunt not Moroccan Muslims? Maybe if I used your insane phrase for Jews and called it the “people who eagerly weaponize their own victimhood hunt” you would know what we’re talking about. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2024, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-distinguishes-a-pogrom-from-a-race-riot/1010460/164 "2024-11-21T19:33:15Z")
And let’s just be clear, no one is calling anyone an anti-Semite! ---
**Author:** ![songsoflovetrouble](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9dc877/32.png) [@songsoflovetrouble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/songsoflovetrouble)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2024, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-distinguishes-a-pogrom-from-a-race-riot/1010460/165 "2024-11-21T19:34:18Z")
I am definitely calling MrDibble and puzzlegal anti-Semites, because they are celebrating Morrocan Muslims hunting Jews through the streets of European cities and beating them, as well as the legal regime in which it is forbidden to prosecute them for doing so. Did I deny this at some point? ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2024, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-distinguishes-a-pogrom-from-a-race-riot/1010460/166 "2024-11-21T19:38:07Z")
> [@songsoflovetrouble](#): > > Did I deny this at some point? If you want to follow along you really need to read the entire thread… ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2024, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-distinguishes-a-pogrom-from-a-race-riot/1010460/167 "2024-11-21T19:41:21Z")
> [@songsoflovetrouble](#): > > Maybe if I used your insane phrase for Jews Where have I used it “for Jews”? Looks like you’re the only one doing that. > [@songsoflovetrouble](#): > > I am definitely calling […snip…] puzzlegal anti-Semites This is going to come as quite a surprise to @puzzlegal 's Rabbi, I’m sure. > [@songsoflovetrouble](#): > > they are celebrating Morrocan Muslims hunting Jews through the streets of European cities and beating them Just straight up lying as though no-one can read the posts just above yours - well, might as well commit to being a liar, it’s very on-brand for pro-Israelis. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2024, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-distinguishes-a-pogrom-from-a-race-riot/1010460/168 "2024-11-21T19:53:09Z")
> [@songsoflovetrouble](#): > > they are celebrating Morrocan Muslims hunting Jews through the streets of European cities and beating them, You’re a pretty fuckin terrible person, aren’t you? If the only way for you to argue against someone is to straight up lie about them, maybe reconsider your position. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2024, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-distinguishes-a-pogrom-from-a-race-riot/1010460/169 "2024-11-21T19:54:54Z")
> [@songsoflovetrouble](#): > > I am definitely calling MrDibble and puzzlegal anti-Semites, because they are celebrating Morrocan Muslims hunting Jews through the streets of European cities and beating them, as well as the legal regime in which it is forbidden to prosecute them for doing so. Did I deny this at some point? 1. I’m a Jew. I’m a member of a Reform Jewish congregation, volunteer regularly at my temple, celebrate the major Jewish holidays, host my family’s Passover celebration, and am quite open about identifying as a Jew. 2. i think the violence against Jews in Amsterdam was horrible 3. i think the violence, and threats of violence, against Jews in European cities is frightening I also think that Israel has a right to defend itself, but that there’s an awful lot of evidence that its attacks in Gaza target civilians and infrastructure in addition to targeting Hamas. I think Israel has promulgated (or at least, tacitly allowed) pograms in the West Bank to increase its territory. I told my Rabbi that i can no long “stand with Israel”, due to Israeli policy against Palestinians. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2024, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-distinguishes-a-pogrom-from-a-race-riot/1010460/170 "2024-11-21T19:59:55Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > 1. I’m a Jew. I’m a member of a Reform Jewish congregation, volunteer regularly at my temple, celebrate the major Jewish holidays, host my family’s Passover celebration, and am quite open about identifying as a Jew. > 2. i think the violence against Jews in Amsterdam was horrible > 3. i think the violence, and threats of violence, against Jews in European cities is frightening > > I also think that Israel has a right to defend itself, but that there’s an awful lot of evidence that its attacks in Gaza target civilians and infrastructure in addition to targeting Hamas. I think Israel has promulgated (or at least, tacitly allowed) pograms in the West Bank to increase its territory. All of this, except point 1, reflects my position as well. Too many people want me to choose a side. Am I on the side of the Jews, or the Palestinians? The answer is: I’m on the side of the people who _don’t_ wantonly kill civilians. There are millions of them, Jews and Palestinians alike, and I’m on their side. I’m firmly against the side that wantonly kills civilians, and there are millions of them, Jews and Palestinians alike, too. ---
**Author:** ![songsoflovetrouble](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9dc877/32.png) [@songsoflovetrouble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/songsoflovetrouble)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2024, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-distinguishes-a-pogrom-from-a-race-riot/1010460/171 "2024-11-21T20:02:29Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > am quite open about identifying as a Jew I’ll bet you are. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2024, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-distinguishes-a-pogrom-from-a-race-riot/1010460/172 "2024-11-21T20:10:41Z")
[![](https://media.makeameme.org/created/not-sure-if-ultfhm.jpg) ](https://media.makeameme.org/created/not-sure-if-ultfhm.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2024, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-distinguishes-a-pogrom-from-a-race-riot/1010460/173 "2024-11-21T20:18:14Z")
Are you a Jew? ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2024, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-distinguishes-a-pogrom-from-a-race-riot/1010460/174 "2024-11-21T20:37:47Z")
> [@songsoflovetrouble](#): > > I’ll bet you are. Aaw, this display of self-dick-punching is downright heartwarming. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2024, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-distinguishes-a-pogrom-from-a-race-riot/1010460/175 "2024-11-21T20:46:51Z")
> [@songsoflovetrouble](#): > > Morrocan Muslims hunting Jews through the streets I’d also prefer to refer to the perpetrators of the violence with less racial/ethnic terms than “Moroccan Muslims”. Even if every one of them was a Moroccan Muslim (which i doubt) there are an awful lot more Moroccan Muslims than the number of people who took part in that violence, and it seems unfair to paint the ones who are innocent with that brush. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2024, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-distinguishes-a-pogrom-from-a-race-riot/1010460/176 "2024-11-21T20:49:28Z")
> [@songsoflovetrouble](#): > > I’ll bet you are. …if it wasn’t obvious before that we shouldn’t take songsoflovetrouble seriously., well, its pretty obvious now. But I’ll indulge them one more time. > [@songsoflovetrouble](#): > > Taking the testimony of the “Gaza doctors” at its word, that is what they claim to be doing, and it’s absurd. Firstly, there is no need to use “” around Gaza doctors. You should have read the New York Times rebuttal by now that clearly shows that they checked the credentials of everyone they used in their particular reporting and they were all verified, real doctors. Not that any reasonable person would have doubted that anyway. But you aren’t telling the full story here, are you. There is witness testimony, included in my cites, that tall about seeing Israeli sniper quadcopters opening fire on civilians, _including_ children, injuring and killing them. > [@songsoflovetrouble](#): > > Not everyone who is willing to believe the constant stream of implausible nonsense from Gaza is an anti-Semite. Its interesting that you choose to use the word “implausible”, then fail to tell us what you think actually happened. Because your “the CT scans were FAKE!” story quickly fell apart. So we know that _somebody_ is targeting and killing children.So which do you think is more plausible? Is it the occupiers, who cheer when they blow up entire neighbourhoods, who film themselves parading in stolen women’s lingerie in the remains of homes they’ve destroyed, who post and share the most disgusting images of the people they’ve killed on telegram, who have kidnapped thousands of Palestinian men in defiance of the Geneva Conventions and taken them to detention camps where they are tortured, beaten, and sometimes sexually assaulted? The occupiers who have destroyed the Gazan healthcare system and are currently targeting and killing healthcare workers in Lebanon, who have destroyed churches and mosques and historical sites and have forced over 90% of the population out of their homes to live in misery and squalor? The occupiers who have divided Gaza in two and have blocked almost all aid from getting through to the north, declared that nobody will be allowed to return home to northern Gaza? The occupiers whose leadership has just been indicted by the International Court of Justice for "“the war crime of starvation as a method of warfare; and the crimes against humanity of murder, persecution, and other inhumane acts”? Or is it Hamas, whose leadership has _also_ been indicted, and is _also_ responsible for horrific, terrible war crimes, but have suddenly decided to start taking pots hots at their own people for…reasons? And have taken control of Israeli quadcopters? Which one of these two seem more plausible to you? ---
**Author:** ![Ulfreida](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ulfreida/32/8014_2.png) [@Ulfreida](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ulfreida)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2024, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-distinguishes-a-pogrom-from-a-race-riot/1010460/177 "2024-11-21T21:07:40Z")
Is there any bottom to this argument about who is more victimized, who is more justified, who is committing more atrocities that demand revenge? Answer: no, there apparently is not. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2024, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-distinguishes-a-pogrom-from-a-race-riot/1010460/178 "2024-11-21T21:08:35Z")
> [@Ulfreida](#): > > Is there any bottom to this argument about who is more victimized, who is more justified, who is committing more atrocities that demand revenge? …who are you talking to? ---
**Author:** ![Johanna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johanna/32/8318_2.png) [@Johanna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johanna)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2024, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-distinguishes-a-pogrom-from-a-race-riot/1010460/179 "2024-11-21T21:57:32Z")
You’ve been out-argued by Banquet Bear and MrDibble. They provided abundant cites to back up their arguments. You’ve provided nothing but definitions and quibbling about sources. Your argument is very thin and lacks substance. It’s like you’re covering your eyes to avoid seeing the horrors that BB and MD have abundantly documented here. ---
**Author:** ![Charlie\_Tan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/charlie_tan/32/12582_2.png) [@Charlie\_Tan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Charlie_Tan)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2024, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-distinguishes-a-pogrom-from-a-race-riot/1010460/180 "2024-11-21T22:01:39Z")
If we’re voting, I’d say @songsoflovetrouble is a troll. Maybe even an Anti-semite, posting under false flag. They question @puzzlegal religious affiliation. In the MPSIMS Amsterdam thread they posted one complete fabrication that I know of and commented on. There are two options here. Troll Someone who’s had so much Kool-Aid that they are beyond any form of reasoning, presenting of facts, cites or arguments. In any case, there’s abso-fucking-lutely no point at all to engage them here. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-distinguishes-a-pogrom-from-a-race-riot/1010460.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-distinguishes-a-pogrom-from-a-race-riot/1010460.md?page=10)