# What do moon landing hoaxers think of the Perseverance mission? **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [February 27, 2021, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-moon-landing-hoaxers-think-of-the-perseverance-mission/933892 "2021-02-27T13:53:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![teelabrown](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/teelabrown/32/8412_2.png) [@teelabrown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/teelabrown)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-moon-landing-hoaxers-think-of-the-perseverance-mission/933892/1 "2021-02-27T13:53:35Z")
I’d put this in the existing Perseverance thread, but didn’t want to start a highjack. Are the hoaxers watching the Mars footage and formulating new conspiracy-type theories of how it’s faked? ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-moon-landing-hoaxers-think-of-the-perseverance-mission/933892/2 "2021-02-27T15:18:33Z")
> [@teelabrown](#): > > {…} Are the hoaxers watching the Mars footage and formulating new conspiracy-type theories of how it’s faked? I wish! The height of the old conspiracy theories never amounts to more than _reasons_. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-moon-landing-hoaxers-think-of-the-perseverance-mission/933892/3 "2021-02-27T15:22:25Z")
Moon landing hoaxers focus on sending _humans_. The basic claim is that the radiation in space is too much to block entirely and humans wouldn’t survive. I don’t remember any claim that unmanned landers were never sent. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-moon-landing-hoaxers-think-of-the-perseverance-mission/933892/4 "2021-02-27T16:39:02Z")
There is a subset of moon landing CTers who claim that _space_ doesn’t exist, that the sky is literally a crystal hemisphere over the earth with the start studding its surface. The sun and moon? Reflections or holographic projections. ---
**Author:** ![commasense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/commasense/32/3017_2.png) [@commasense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/commasense)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-moon-landing-hoaxers-think-of-the-perseverance-mission/933892/5 "2021-02-27T16:54:16Z")
What are flat earthers saying about the Mars mission, or any other planetary missions? Are the other planets not spheres, or is earth the only flat planet? Or is hoaxes all the way down? ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-moon-landing-hoaxers-think-of-the-perseverance-mission/933892/6 "2021-02-27T17:31:30Z")
“Rockets don’t work in space, which also does not exist.” ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-moon-landing-hoaxers-think-of-the-perseverance-mission/933892/7 "2021-02-27T18:25:29Z")
I know one. He believes in the flat earth, ice wall around Antarctic, and hard dome. Sun and moon are lights that are inside the dome. Stars he can’t really explain too well but doesn’t have to. The US tried to nuke a hole in the dome during operation fishbowl (sounds monumentally stupid as that is holding back potentially enough water to flood the earth to Noah standards). Things go up or down based on buoyancy, not gravity (which does not exist). If you book a plane flight to-from the southern hemisphere that would violate his disk earth model, yo can book it, and show up to the airport but the flight will never take off, or be diverted if it does making unneeded stops and route diversions to make the world appear round. The moon landing was a hollywood style hoax. All photos since then including the martian probes are all digital computer made up. The whole reason for this is Jesus will take His elect to heaven, but Satan wants to control who’s left, so Satan made up the whole ball earth thing, to take glory away from God and have them disqualify the Bible’s description of how the earth is, and when Jesus takes them Satan will deceive the masses by making it seem like those people are simply relocating to mars and there is no rapture and no God. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-moon-landing-hoaxers-think-of-the-perseverance-mission/933892/8 "2021-02-27T18:29:34Z")
Yowza! Does this guy publish a newsletter? IANA Bible scholar, but where does it say the earth is flat? I know about the 4 corners passage, but that’s pretty weak sauce to support that much wacko. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-moon-landing-hoaxers-think-of-the-perseverance-mission/933892/9 "2021-02-27T18:51:11Z")
He hangs his hat more on the Bible does not say the earth is a spinning ball then comes up with support of why it says it’s flat, and also people with ‘expert authority’ in the subject far surpassing his ability to interpert it. This model of the earth that he accepts was made by biblical scholars of their time in which was supposedly made from Bible passages concerning the earth and nothing else. Here is the image he point to as the model he accept ‘because those who created this model know more about the Bible then he does’ > **[Map of the square and stationary earth : four hundred passages in the Bible...](https://www.loc.gov/item/2011594831/)** > > Relief shown by hachures. Available also through the Library of Congress Web site as a raster image. Gift; Don Homuth; September 2011. Accompanied by envelope containing illustrations, CD-ROM of Ferguson family gravesite, transcriptions of Orlando... ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-moon-landing-hoaxers-think-of-the-perseverance-mission/933892/10 "2021-02-27T19:08:45Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > I wish! The height of the old conspiracy theories never amounts to more than _reasons_ . A classic oldie straight from crazytown: > [@The Apollo Moon Missions Were Faked in a Studio](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-apollo-moon-missions-were-faked-in-a-studio/653949): > > The evidence that the Apollo moon missions were faked in a studio is crushing. The US government can’t censor the evidence that’s on the internet but it can bury it with disinformation and obfuscation. If you enter “Apollo hoax” in Google, you’ll find about fifteen pro-Apollo sites for every hoax site. I made a collection of some of the hoax evidence the government is trying to bury. [[Apollo 15 flag waving] ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymwE1sNm82Y)[[Apollo 15 flag, facing air resistance; proving the fraud of alleged…](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gn6MTrin5eU) Stranger ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-moon-landing-hoaxers-think-of-the-perseverance-mission/933892/11 "2021-02-27T19:21:21Z")
> [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](#): > > A classic oldie straight from crazytown: > [The Apollo Moon Missions Were Faked in a Studio](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-apollo-moon-missions-were-faked-in-a-studio/653949) > Stranger - Actually, the landings _were_ faked in a studio. The reason they look so good is because Kubrick insisted in filming _on location._ ---
**Author:** ![Pardel-Lux](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pardel-lux/32/20182_2.png) [@Pardel-Lux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pardel-Lux)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-moon-landing-hoaxers-think-of-the-perseverance-mission/933892/12 "2021-02-27T19:22:02Z")
> [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](#): > > A classic oldie straight from crazytown: Jesus Christ almighty! He put a lot of effort in that post, the poor fool. Must be very impostant to him, for whatever reason. I wonder if somebody ever clicked on all those links. Sad, really. And impressive for a lot of wrong reasons. So he got banned, huh? Wonder why… ---
**Author:** ![cincinnatus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cincinnatus/32/7990_2.png) [@cincinnatus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cincinnatus)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-moon-landing-hoaxers-think-of-the-perseverance-mission/933892/13 "2021-02-27T19:37:33Z")
So the earth is styled like an ash tray. Remember those? ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-moon-landing-hoaxers-think-of-the-perseverance-mission/933892/14 "2021-02-27T19:38:15Z")
> [@teelabrown](#): > > Are the hoaxers watching the Mars footage and formulating new conspiracy-type theories of how it’s faked? ISTM they wouldn’t have to. Since their beliefs don’t follow any set of…anything, there’s no reason why they can’t deny the moon landing but agree that the mars rovers are actually there and that we put them there. > [@kanicbird](#): > > If you book a plane flight to-from the southern hemisphere that would violate his disk earth model, yo can book it, and show up to the airport but the flight will never take off, or be diverted if it does making unneeded stops and route diversions to make the world appear round. So now pilots are in the this too? He should become a pilot or work for an airline in whatever position would require him to be in on the conspiracy. Then he can blow it wide open for everyone to see. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-moon-landing-hoaxers-think-of-the-perseverance-mission/933892/15 "2021-02-27T19:40:14Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > He hangs his hat more on the Bible does not say the earth is a spinning ball then comes up with support of why it says it’s flat, and also people with ‘expert authority’ in the subject far surpassing his ability to interpert it. You should remind him that the bible also doesn’t say that _he_ exists, or cars or flat screen TVs. ---
**Author:** ![RetiredButWorking](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/838e76/32.png) [@RetiredButWorking](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RetiredButWorking)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-moon-landing-hoaxers-think-of-the-perseverance-mission/933892/16 "2021-02-27T21:39:10Z")
It all depends upon how far down the CT hole they are. If they believe rocket engines work in a vacuum, then they are less likely to believe that Mars rovers are a hoax. Even further down the rabbit hole are the likes of Sept Clues Forum that think anything reported n the major news media is a hoax of some sort. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2021, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-moon-landing-hoaxers-think-of-the-perseverance-mission/933892/17 "2021-02-28T00:23:56Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > Things go up or down based on buoyancy, not gravity (which does not exist). Wow. That’s some mighty crazy right there. Are they unaware that buoyancy is, of course depends on gravity? ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Pearse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/richard_pearse/32/13144_2.png) [@Richard\_Pearse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Pearse)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2021, 11:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-moon-landing-hoaxers-think-of-the-perseverance-mission/933892/18 "2021-02-28T11:36:45Z")
They think it’s a significant step towards being able to put a man on the moon, finally. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2021, 11:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-moon-landing-hoaxers-think-of-the-perseverance-mission/933892/19 "2021-02-28T11:53:23Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > > [@kanicbird](#): > > > > Things go up or down based on buoyancy, not gravity (which does not exist). > > Wow. That’s some mighty crazy right there. Are they unaware that buoyancy is, of course depends on gravity? Nitpick: Buoyancy could also be from acceleration. But back to that guy, His claim that gravity is some ‘woo’ explanation that was made up and no one really knows what it is and all the experiments do is prove buoyancy. ---
**Author:** ![Pardel-Lux](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pardel-lux/32/20182_2.png) [@Pardel-Lux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pardel-Lux)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2021, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-moon-landing-hoaxers-think-of-the-perseverance-mission/933892/20 "2021-02-28T13:07:55Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > Nitpick: Buoyancy could also be from acceleration. Nitpick²: > Einstein’s ground-breaking realization (which he called “the happiest thought of my life”) was that gravity is in reality not a force at all, but is indistinguishable from, and in fact the same thing as, acceleration, an idea he called the principle of equivalence. Copied&pasted from [here](https://www.physicsoftheuniverse.com/topics_relativity_gravity.html), about half way down. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-moon-landing-hoaxers-think-of-the-perseverance-mission/933892.md?page=2)