# What do other countries refer to 9-11 as? **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [December 31, 2002, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-other-countries-refer-to-9-11-as/145806 "2002-12-31T02:56:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![MC\_Master\_of\_Ceremonies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bb73d2/32.png) [@MC\_Master\_of\_Ceremonies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MC_Master_of_Ceremonies)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2003, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-other-countries-refer-to-9-11-as/145806/41 "2003-01-01T15:13:26Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Monty \* > \*\*At one time, in one place? Please be so kind as to provide proof of that. \*\* > [@](#): > > Two devastating earthquakes hit Turkey within the space of less than three months during 1999. The first - with its epicentre at Izmit in Turkey’s heavily populated northwest - struck at 0302 hours local time on 17 August. It left some 17,000 people dead and thousands more homeless. The second struck just 100km away on 12 November, killing hundreds more. [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/422773.stm](http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/422773.stm) ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2003, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-other-countries-refer-to-9-11-as/145806/42 "2003-01-01T15:19:04Z")
Sorry about that, MC. I meant terrorist attacks which killed 4~5 thou at one time. And the world community, to include the United States, did “bat an eye” over that. Or did I merely imagine the aid provided? ---
**Author:** ![MC\_Master\_of\_Ceremonies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bb73d2/32.png) [@MC\_Master\_of\_Ceremonies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MC_Master_of_Ceremonies)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2003, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-other-countries-refer-to-9-11-as/145806/43 "2003-01-01T15:26:46Z")
9-11 was the biggest terrorist attack, but I don’t think that was what Zadagka meant. Compared to 9-11 the coverage that the Izzmit earthquake (one of the largest diasters in modern times) got was tiny. ---
**Author:** ![Zagadka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zagadka/32/7272_2.png) [@Zagadka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zagadka)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2003, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-other-countries-refer-to-9-11-as/145806/44 "2003-01-01T16:02:09Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Monty \* > \*\*At one time, in one place? Please be so kind as to provide proof of that. \*\* Nope, that isn’t what I meant. My point was that the WTC attacks stand out because of the “massive” loss of life, but the only reason this stands out is because it happened at one time and one place, instead of spread out over time and constant conflict. The “4000-5000 people who have died in the last decade” refers to dozens of countries in Asia, Africa, the Middle East, and Latin America where thousands of people die each year without a terrible amount of notice, because it is a dozen here, twenty there. Keep in mind that there were 20,000 total murders in the United States in 1996. (US DoJ Bureau of Justice Statistics) ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2003, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-other-countries-refer-to-9-11-as/145806/45 "2003-01-01T17:33:24Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Sublight \* > \*\*I don’t have a newspaper handy, but what I’ve seen on most Japanese headlines translates more or less as ‘September 11 Simultaneous Multiple Terror Incident.’ After all, it wasn’t just the WTC. > > Needless to say, it flows better in the original. \*\* Actually, I now intend to start using that. And I intend to use “Happy Meeting for Warming Globe” when talking about Kyoto. ---
**Author:** ![alexandra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e68b1a/32.png) [@alexandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alexandra)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2003, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-other-countries-refer-to-9-11-as/145806/46 "2003-01-01T18:46:07Z")
September the 11th seems to be the most common usage where I live (London). Also heard/read: 11 September 9/11 World Trade Centre [attacks] the Twin Towers ---
**Author:** ![twelfthsign](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ce73a5/32.png) [@twelfthsign](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twelfthsign)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2003, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-other-countries-refer-to-9-11-as/145806/47 "2003-01-01T19:39:05Z")
In India. 9/11. Although, we would have usually referred to it as 11/9. or perhaps 11th September, but I guess the over exposure of “9/11” sunk in to be referred to as the “9/11” attacks. Or perhaps the WTC attacks/incident. ---
**Author:** ![twelfthsign](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ce73a5/32.png) [@twelfthsign](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twelfthsign)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2003, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-other-countries-refer-to-9-11-as/145806/48 "2003-01-01T19:41:47Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by alexandra \* > \*\*September the 11th seems to be the most common usage where I live (London). > Also heard/read: > 11 September > 9/11 > World Trade Centre [attacks] > the Twin Towers \*\* Careful, The Petronas in Kaula Lampur are also referred to as The Twin Towers. ---
**Author:** ![Daoloth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/82dd89/32.png) [@Daoloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Daoloth)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2003, 7:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-other-countries-refer-to-9-11-as/145806/49 "2003-01-18T07:43:46Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by kitty \* > \*\*\>\>Napier: > Especially weird considering the strong alliance and affinity between Muslim leaders and the Nazis > > MC Master of Cermonies: > It’s Kristallnacht and which strong affinity is this?\<\< > > Hmm, I’m wondering the same thing. > According to Nazi definition, Muslims were not “fit to live.” Sadly, this is still truth as it is an issue here among the skins (what most people in the US call Neo-Nazis). Violent crime against “foreigners” is higher among people of Turkish and Bosnian descent (as well as various African nations) which make up a huge percentage of our Muslim population (ca. 1.5-2 million). > Unless you meant affinity as far as an extremist branch that believes in the same basic prinicple that “because someone is XXX, that someone should die” but you’ll find examples of that type of person in virtually every group/politic/religion/country. > \*\* Sorry for the hijack, but there was a small relation between Nazi Germany and some Muslim extremists. For example, Hitler supported the Palestinian Mufti of Jerusalem in making a pure Arab Palestine, and also sponsored an entirely Muslim division of the SS constituted solely of ethnic Bosnians. Maybe Nazi ideology considered them unfit for living, but politics certainly make strange bedfellows. There were even pro-Nazi parties in wartime Iraq and Egypt, if that’s any indication. Then there was Khomeini’s infamous denial of the Holocaust, and also the Austrian neo-Nazi leader who is a convert to Islam. Even in Nazism abroad, such as George Lincoln Rockwell’s American Nazi Party, alliances were formed with radical Muslims. Rev. Elijah Muhammad and Rockwell formed a amiable friendship prior to Rockwell’s assassination. \ ---
**Author:** ![universe.zip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/a9adbd/32.png) [@universe.zip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/universe.zip)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2003, 12:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-other-countries-refer-to-9-11-as/145806/50 "2003-01-18T12:44:31Z")
In Spain it´s mostly referred to as 11-S (“once-ese”). ---
**Author:** ![Napier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ce73a5/32.png) [@Napier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Napier)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2003, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-other-countries-refer-to-9-11-as/145806/51 "2003-01-18T13:18:50Z")
“strong alliance and affinity between Muslim leaders and the Nazis” I said this and have been meaning to quote some references but never got around to it. Yes, for example, Hitler and the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem (or some such) issued a joint statement saying that the Nazis and the Moslems share a hatred of Jews. I read it in the Israel Arab Reader. For another example, Anwar Sadat worked for the German underground in his youth. Nazis may have believed in Aryan (or what dictionaries call “Indo-European”) superiority, but that didn’t mean there weren’t some surprising alliances. Remember the Axis? The Japanese teamed up with these “white supremacists”. How this is strategic mystifies me, but they seemed pretty serious about it. ---
**Author:** ![MC\_Master\_of\_Ceremonies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bb73d2/32.png) [@MC\_Master\_of\_Ceremonies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MC_Master_of_Ceremonies)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2003, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-other-countries-refer-to-9-11-as/145806/52 "2003-01-18T13:32:19Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Daoloth \* > \*\*Sorry for the hijack, but there was a small relation between Nazi Germany and some Muslim extremists. For example, Hitler supported the Palestinian Mufti of Jerusalem in making a pure Arab Palestine, and also sponsored an entirely Muslim division of the SS constituted solely of ethnic Bosnians. Maybe Nazi ideology considered them unfit for living, but politics certainly make strange bedfellows. There were even pro-Nazi parties in wartime Iraq and Egypt, if that’s any indication. Then there was Khomeini’s infamous denial of the Holocaust, and also the Austrian neo-Nazi leader who is a convert to Islam. Even in Nazism abroad, such as George Lincoln Rockwell’s American Nazi Party, alliances were formed with radical Muslims. Rev. Elijah Muhammad and Rockwell formed a amiable friendship prior to Rockwell’s assassination. > > \ \*\* A few inaccuries there, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem was not motivated by any notions of racial purity, but out of the fear that the zionists would disposess the Arabs in Palestine (not that that justifies his actions). If your talking about the 1941 attempted coup in Iraq, I think it is a bit of a strecth to call it pro-Nazi, anti-British would be more accurate. The Nazis funded and supported many such rebellious factions throughout British ruled places, for example they even (indirectly) funded a few IRA operations. Also when you say Austrian neo-nazi leader who converted to Islam, which one is this? The Austrian neo-nazis want to throw all the Muslims out of Austria and their leader Jorge Haider, despite visting Sadam Hussein is virutently racist towards Arabs. The Nation of Islam, despite what they may tell you ARE NOT MUSLIMS, they are forbidden from performing the Hajj and entering Mecca as only Muslims are allowed into the holy city. It is precisley because of the Nation of Islams racists beliefs that they are not considered Muslims. ---
**Author:** ![everton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ecb155/32.png) [@everton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/everton)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2003, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-other-countries-refer-to-9-11-as/145806/53 "2003-01-18T13:36:47Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by airdisc \* > \*\*“9-11” is in month-day format. In other countries, they use day-month format. So do they call it “11-9” in other countries, “9-11” like they do in America, or something else all together? \*\* As others have said, September 11 is typically used in the UK but several other expressions, such as 9/11, are easily understood too. Not 11-9 though – that wouldn’t mean anything. > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Aesiron \* > **If the Bush administration hadn’t taken the terrorist attacks against us on 09/11/00 as a first step in this supposed “War on Terror”, do you think your respective countries or the International Community as a whole would have paid much attention to it?** Yes, of course it would be remembered, not only because of the subsequent military activity, and not only because there were many British casualties either. Some incidents are so extreme that they cannot be forgotten – Waco and the Oklahoma bombings have already been mentioned, but there are plenty more that will be remembered longer than those. Chernobyl? Hiroshima? > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by MaceMan \* > **Do people outside the US understand the significance of the 9-1-1 designation? Is this a universal emergency phone number in other countries too? I really think this is the reason the name has stuck around in this format.** As **TheLoadedDog** as said, the emergengy phone number here is 999, but 911 is so familiar through film and TV that the authorities were considering changing it. Some polls suggested that kids already thought our number _was_ 911. I wonder what kind of conversations Porsche cars have been having during the past year about how they should change the marketing of their own 911, especially in the USA? > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by MC Master of Cermonies \* > **In the UK a senior civil servant (Jo Moore) in the Department of Transport released a (later leaked) memo saying something to the effect of that the aftermath of 9-11 would be a good time for her department to release and ‘bury’ any bad news. There was a huge public outcry after this and as a result her posistion eventually became untenable and she was forced to resign.** In what way is that relevant to this discussion? Nobody calls it “Jo Moore Day”. ---
**Author:** ![MC\_Master\_of\_Ceremonies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bb73d2/32.png) [@MC\_Master\_of\_Ceremonies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MC_Master_of_Ceremonies)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2003, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-other-countries-refer-to-9-11-as/145806/54 "2003-01-18T13:39:11Z")
> [@](#): > > In what way is that relevant to this discussion? Nobody calls it “Jo Moore Day”. It was relevant to the last paragraph of the post above it. ---
**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2003, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-other-countries-refer-to-9-11-as/145806/55 "2003-01-18T15:22:40Z")
There’s a British biographer of Saddam Hussein who claims that the uncle who raised Saddam was a card carrying Nazi. ---
**Author:** ![Daoloth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/82dd89/32.png) [@Daoloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Daoloth)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2003, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-other-countries-refer-to-9-11-as/145806/56 "2003-01-18T20:56:24Z")
The Austrian Neo-Nazis is Ahmed Huber. Another factoid: German neo-Nazis volunteers fought in the Six Day War against Israel: the Hilfskorp Arabien. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-other-countries-refer-to-9-11-as/145806.md?page=2)