# What do righties have against the ACLU? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [April 7, 2008, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-righties-have-against-the-aclu/444257 "2008-04-07T01:02:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 22
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2011, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-righties-have-against-the-aclu/444257/421 "2011-06-03T01:27:21Z")
> [@mcfirefly](#): > > Last: I don’t even own a TV, much less cable. I have seen Beck on my iPod touch on Wendy’s wifi, but I can’t stand what he stands for. I am taking great risks to simply say I am not happy that we are losing our freedoms; are any of you risking anyrhing? I am risking torture, not just death. I mentioned my family’s persecution; notice how you glide around that to think of new little hairs to split against me. Goodbye worthless waste of time. Go smoke a big cuban cigar. Don’t let the door hit you on your way out! ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2011, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-righties-have-against-the-aclu/444257/422 "2011-06-03T01:34:31Z")
> [@mcfirefly](#): > > Last: I don’t even own a TV, much less cable. I have seen Beck on my iPod touch on Wendy’s wifi, but I can’t stand what he stands for. I am taking great risks to simply say I am not happy that we are losing our freedoms; are any of you risking anyrhing? I am risking torture, not just death. I mentioned my family’s persecution; notice how you glide around that to think of new little hairs to split against me. Goodbye worthless waste of time. Go smoke a big cuban cigar. Would you like the mods to change your name to “Absolutely My Last Post-Really Truly I Swear!”? ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2011, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-righties-have-against-the-aclu/444257/423 "2011-06-03T01:37:44Z")
> [@mcfirefly](#): > > Last post: > [@mcfirefly](#): > > Absolutely last post: > [@mcfirefly](#): > > Completely, totally the last: > [@mcfirefly](#): > > One last time: > [@mcfirefly](#): > > Absolute last time: > [@mcfirefly](#): > > Last: Please stop teasing. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2011, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-righties-have-against-the-aclu/444257/424 "2011-06-03T01:38:56Z")
> [@mcfirefly](#): > > You don’t like to hear from anybody who isn’t singing with the choir. Your little straw tarbaby works well for you as long as we are the villains of your imagination. We “don’think for ourselves.” Sure. “little straw tarbaby”? WTF is that supposed to mean? ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2011, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-righties-have-against-the-aclu/444257/425 "2011-06-03T01:44:15Z")
> [@mcfirefly](#): > > I am taking great risks to simply say I am not happy that we are losing our freedoms; are any of you risking anyrhing? I am risking torture, not just death. Perhaps I don’t get this. In Tennessee, you are risking torture by proclaiming that we are losing our freedoms? I’ve got to have missed something. ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2011, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-righties-have-against-the-aclu/444257/426 "2011-06-03T01:51:53Z")
That’s a shitload of last posts. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2011, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-righties-have-against-the-aclu/444257/427 "2011-06-03T01:52:24Z")
> [@mcfirefly](#): > > One last time: is ramming our speech down your throat simply speaking in public words you don’t care to hear, or is it making you a truly captive audience and truly forcing you to endure it? THAT’S forcing down the throat; that’s brainwashing. What we get all the time is people telling us that our free, non-government-sanctioned speech will not be tolerated. You don’t even seem to care which is which. No; I simply don’t believe in your persecution fantasies. It isn’t happening. Pray is allowed in school, Christians are not having their free speech suppressed. > [@Captain\_Amazing](#): > > No, but Christians not on the Religious Right generally aren’t opposed to the ACLU. But you were commenting on **John Mace** ’s post of "Does anybody want to defend the meme that they’re anti-Christian? ". Not anti-_right wing_ Christian, anti-Christian. > [@mcfirefly](#): > > . Also, how can threats of murder by well-connected elites and their followers be irrelevant to human rights? Especially when it is exactly this reason that we are being called upon to die? The way that was skirted in order to mess with me with a verbal shell game is very telling about your blind dedication to human rights. I leave you blowhards to your big nothing. :rolleyes: We haven’t been “skirting” anything, we’ve been asking you to explain what in the world you are talking about. What threats of murder? > [@mcfirefly](#): > > Last: I don’t even own a TV, much less cable. I have seen Beck on my iPod touch on Wendy’s wifi, but I can’t stand what he stands for. I am taking great risks to simply say I am not happy that we are losing our freedoms; are any of you risking anyrhing? I am risking torture, not just death. I mentioned my family’s persecution; notice how you glide around that to think of new little hairs to split against me. Why should we believe in any such persecution, given your standards for what counts as “persecution” and your unwillingness to explain what you are actually talking about? As far as I can tell, if someone got into an argument with your sister over Jesus’s hair color you’d consider that brutal tyranny. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2011, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-righties-have-against-the-aclu/444257/428 "2011-06-03T01:58:34Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > But you were commenting on **John Mace** ’s post of "Does anybody want to defend the meme that they’re anti-Christian? ". Not anti-_right wing_ Christian, anti-Christian. I was trying to comment on the question of why the Religious Right doesn’t like the ACLU. How the ACLU feels about Christianity is something I wasn’t commenting on. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2011, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-righties-have-against-the-aclu/444257/429 "2011-06-03T02:02:37Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Jesus’s hair color … Brown, according to everyone who used to tell me I looked like Jesus. Now that my hair and beard are white, I simply assume that I look like Jesus would have if he’d lived to 54. And had a tobacco-stained mustache. And started cutting his hair shorter because it was a pain to wash and brush out shoulder-length hair. And was willing to wear a tie when the Board of Directors is meeting. ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2011, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-righties-have-against-the-aclu/444257/430 "2011-06-03T02:14:33Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > It’s not often that I agree with **Der Trihs** ’s posts, but I agree 100% with the one, above. > > You really are going to generate nothing but derision unless you back up your “opinions” with cites. I completely agree. This is the thread **Der Trihs** was born to write, so to speak – the one where hie becomes the voice of reason and the fighting of ignorance. (And on a religious question, no less – signs of the imminent apocalypse! :D) ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2011, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-righties-have-against-the-aclu/444257/431 "2011-06-03T02:16:24Z")
> [@Revtim](#): > > That’s a shitload of last posts. Wait until he starts playing “Taps”!! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2011, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-righties-have-against-the-aclu/444257/432 "2011-06-03T02:36:38Z")
> [@Polycarp](#): > > This is the thread **Der Trihs** was born to write, so to speak – the one where hie becomes the voice of reason and the fighting of ignorance. In this thread? To quote Darth Vader, “All too easy.” ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2011, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-righties-have-against-the-aclu/444257/433 "2011-06-03T02:52:30Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > In this thread? To quote Darth Vader, “All too easy.” Just remember, friend, in the end Anakin redeems all by eliminating Palpatine. If we’re going to mix our mythical metaphors here, well, go for the top! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2011, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-righties-have-against-the-aclu/444257/434 "2011-06-03T03:24:49Z")
> [@Polycarp](#): > > Just remember, friend, in the end Anakin redeems all by eliminating Palpatine. If we’re going to mix our mythical metaphors here, well, go for the top! 😃 So at some point I’ll end up throwing a [lightning spewing Pope](http://img232.echo.cx/img232/3440/popepalpatine3ct.png) down a well to his doom? Hope I can avoid the dying painfully part… ---
**Author:** ![Le\_Jacquelope](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e0b2c6/32.png) [@Le\_Jacquelope](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Le_Jacquelope)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2011, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-righties-have-against-the-aclu/444257/435 "2011-06-03T04:01:15Z")
> [@JohnnieEnigma](#): > > here is a quote from Roger baldwin: > > As Roger Baldwin (a co-founder of the ACLU) said of the goals of the ACLU: > > "I am for socialism, disarmament, and ultimately, for abolishing the state itself… I seek social ownership of property, the abolition of the properties class, and sole control of those who produce wealth. Communism is the goal. I don’t regret being part of the communist tactic. I knew what I was doing. I was not an innocent liberal. I wanted what the communists wanted, and I traveled the United Front road to get it. > > So when you have a co-founder pushing communism, you automatically think christianity is threatened. > > [Redirecting...](http://jcb.pentex-net.com/archives/2005/09/is_the_aclu_ant.html) You want to cause a man like that a heart attack? Ask him to outline the difference between what Jesus taught and communism. ---
**Author:** ![I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/i_love_me_vol.i/32/521_2.png) [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/I_Love_Me_Vol.I)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2011, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-righties-have-against-the-aclu/444257/436 "2011-06-03T21:43:45Z")
> [@mcfirefly](#): > > The ACLU never defended me, and never even showed any sympathy for the truly egregious treatment of my family or myself. So run and tell Nietzsche, because resentment does surface and enter into it. Nothing but contemptuous smirks. Still I am willing to try to see them in the light of the good they do. I am not going to give them my confidence. Why do you have to be 100% uncritical in order to not be an enemy? Hello **mcfirefly**. I have sympathy for you “having your back up” and feeling attacked and ganged-up-on here. I think it’s pretty much a universal human trait to be upset and perhaps get a bit defensive when—for whatever reason, right or wrong—an individual feels threatened by a group of others they are engaging with. I think for a lot of people (myself included) jumping into the fray here on the SDMB Great Debates forum feels/felt about like jumping into a white-hot furnace. That can be mitigated to some extent by spending time “lurking” here before posting, although that’s not required, of course. So why would anyone endure this “punishment”? In my opinion, most contributors here (the SDMB in general, but specifically Great Debates) feel that the debating standards are pretty darn high, at least for an internet message board, and therefore participating is usually an enriching pursuit. To be sure, it’s not \*always \*so enlightened and worthwhile—it depends on the topic, the contributing posters, and the phase of the moon;)—but it’s a breed apart from most other message boards. In part this is due to the courageous toiling of the moderators. But what really makes the underlying fabric that our threads weave through so formidable is the fact that here in the Great Debates forum one **WILL** be called on ones s\*\*t. Essentially, one must put up, or shut-up… …Actually, one doesn’t _have_ to shut up—as long no Board rules are broken, a poster is free to prattle off into the sunset, if they wish. But at some point, if no credible evidence is offered to back-up ones\* debating points yet he or she continues to fling handfuls of thin gruel on the walls the question must be asked: Does a tree that falls in a forest with no one around to hear it make any noise? By and large, we _do_ play fair. At the same time, by and large, it’s pro-ball (at\* least\* Triple-A, most days :D). Gotta bring the heat to make your pitch here, and you gotta \*take \*the heat, too. The tough time you’re getting is a little like an initiation, except it’s not, because we’re this tough on each other (veterans and noobies alike) every day. May be wrong, may be right (or Left), Just fight the Good Fight. Welcome to the Boards. \*Boy, I sure did use the word “one” a lot! I felt that in this case, the use of the general “you” was not a good choice. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2011, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-righties-have-against-the-aclu/444257/437 "2011-06-04T23:06:28Z")
[http://truthout.org/aclu-sues-rick-scott-stop-voter-suppression/1307206596](http://truthout.org/aclu-sues-rick-scott-stop-voter-suppression/1307206596) Latest ACLU action to try and stop Florida from voter suppression. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-righties-have-against-the-aclu/444257.md?page=21)