# What do the dopers think of the Kate Middleton brouhaha **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [March 11, 2024, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-the-dopers-think-of-the-kate-middleton-brouhaha/998723 "2024-03-11T23:52:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2024, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-the-dopers-think-of-the-kate-middleton-brouhaha/998723/161 "2024-03-14T17:53:13Z")
> [@pjd](#): > > Private Eye joins the fun … > [https://checkout.private-eye.co.uk/media/medium/PEY.png](https://checkout.private-eye.co.uk/media/medium/PEY.png) Some of the memes have been great. I love the one with Bernie Sanders. ---
**Author:** ![griffin1977](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/977dab/32.png) [@griffin1977](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/griffin1977)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2024, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-the-dopers-think-of-the-kate-middleton-brouhaha/998723/162 "2024-03-14T17:54:03Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > Not being able to quote a U.S. comedy show in the UK is not an attack on the press. It definitely is. A British paper forced by a court injunction to not report on a US comedy show (and additionally being forced not to report the fact that injunction exists and what it says) is about as blatant attack on the press as you will get. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2024, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-the-dopers-think-of-the-kate-middleton-brouhaha/998723/163 "2024-03-14T18:01:34Z")
> [@griffin1977](#): > > > [@Loach](#): > > > > Not being able to quote a U.S. comedy show in the UK is not an attack on the press. > > It definitely is. A British paper forced by a court injunction to not report on a US comedy show (and additionally being forced not to report the fact that injunction exists and what it says) is about as blatant attack on the press as you will get. I’ll use the ol’ SDMB chestnut, cite? You linked to a tweet from I don’t know who that has a vague mention of William’s lawyers. Anything else that shows it was a court that did it and not an editor? ETA: your cite has a pinned tweet claiming the royal family killed Diana. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2024, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-the-dopers-think-of-the-kate-middleton-brouhaha/998723/164 "2024-03-14T18:21:35Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > If the government forced it then its censorship. If the company did it then it’s an editorial choice. If it was an editorial choice based on UK libel laws then it’s smart. Not being able to quote a U.S. comedy show in the UK is not an attack on the press. I know that when watching Last Week Tonight with John Stewart, he has shown clips of UK Parliament a couple of times, noting that those scenes can’t be shown in the UK and showing the alternative video they will be substituting. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2024, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-the-dopers-think-of-the-kate-middleton-brouhaha/998723/165 "2024-03-14T18:21:56Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > ETA: your cite has a pinned tweet claiming the royal family killed Diana. I was gonna say - a vaguely homophobic tweet from a conspiracy theorist is not exactly an ironclad cite ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2024, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-the-dopers-think-of-the-kate-middleton-brouhaha/998723/166 "2024-03-14T19:08:55Z")
Wait. The UK doesn’t have a Constitutional right to freedom of the Press. Seems like they’re free and looser than the US press. That’s feels odd, to me. ---
**Author:** ![colinfred](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colinfred/32/21338_2.png) [@colinfred](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/colinfred)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2024, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-the-dopers-think-of-the-kate-middleton-brouhaha/998723/167 "2024-03-14T19:13:59Z")
Ok who is that who’s been photoshopped in? I feel I should recognise him but I don’t. ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2024, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-the-dopers-think-of-the-kate-middleton-brouhaha/998723/168 "2024-03-14T19:15:40Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > I love the one with Bernie Sanders. Is that the one where [Kate’s legs are fully visible under him](https://i0.wp.com/hyperallergic-newspack.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/2024/03/Screen-Shot-2024-03-11-at-12.51.14-PM.jpg?resize=870%2C1536&quality=100&ssl=1)? ---
**Author:** ![Schnitte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/schnitte/32/9033_2.png) [@Schnitte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Schnitte)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2024, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-the-dopers-think-of-the-kate-middleton-brouhaha/998723/169 "2024-03-14T19:35:55Z")
> [@themapleleaf](#): > > I am in the camp that this is much ado about nothing. The Princess of Wales had surgery. She chose not to disclose all the details. She needs time to recover and be in her family. All this is enough fodder for conspiracy theorists, who don’t know her, to read into it all manner of details. I would just respect her privacy This is about a family that has a massive media presence, knows about this media presence, and is very skilled at using it to its own advantage when possible. Kensington and Buckingham Palaces see the kind of speculation that Kate’s continued absence has brought up; if this really were about a straightforward recovery from surgery, they’d put an end to it. The photoshopped family picture was probably an attempt to do exactly that, but a very poor one, and the fact that Kensington Palace is apparently unable to produce an undoctored photo of Kate in her immediate family (they never released the original) raises more questions that it answers. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2024, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-the-dopers-think-of-the-kate-middleton-brouhaha/998723/170 "2024-03-14T19:47:36Z")
> [@Schnitte](#): > > > [@themapleleaf](#): > > > > I am in the camp that this is much ado about nothing. The Princess of Wales had surgery. She chose not to disclose all the details. She needs time to recover and be in her family. All this is enough fodder for conspiracy theorists, who don’t know her, to read into it all manner of details. I would just respect her privacy > > This is about a family that has a massive media presence, knows about this media presence, and is very skilled at using it to its own advantage when possible. Kensington and Buckingham Palaces see the kind of speculation that Kate’s continued absence has brought up; if this really were about a straightforward recovery from surgery, they’d put an end to it. The photoshopped family picture was probably an attempt to do exactly that, but a very poor one, and the fact that Kensington Palace is apparently unable to produce an undoctored photo of Kate in her immediate family (they never released the original) raises more questions that it answers. Right. When she was out of the limelight for a couple of weeks it was much ado about nothing. Now it seems like much ado about a coverup. The public would soon tire of hearing news about a medical procedure. They won’t tire soon if it feels like a palace coverup. ---
**Author:** ![griffin1977](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/977dab/32.png) [@griffin1977](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/griffin1977)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2024, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-the-dopers-think-of-the-kate-middleton-brouhaha/998723/171 "2024-03-14T19:56:05Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > I’ll use the ol’ SDMB chestnut, cite? Well seeing as the injunction would prevent anyone from mentioning that the injunction exists there is unlikely to be a cite. But it’s irrelevant to the argument. This definitely has all the hallmarks of a super injunction. And they have definitely been used to control the freedom of the press like this in the past. Whether this edit is directly as the result of a super injunction or just self censorship because they don’t want the expense of defending against one. The existence of the super injunction and it’s use in cases like this is a massive encroachment on the freedom of press in the UK. ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2024, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-the-dopers-think-of-the-kate-middleton-brouhaha/998723/172 "2024-03-14T19:57:44Z")
There’s an event tonight for one of Diana’s charities. It seems William and Harry are both to attend. Not together. Separate times, separated places. Maybe the Mothers day photo is a little bit wagging the dog. 🤔 ---
**Author:** ![pjd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pjd/32/3009_2.png) [@pjd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pjd)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2024, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-the-dopers-think-of-the-kate-middleton-brouhaha/998723/173 "2024-03-14T20:30:32Z")
It’s taken from [here.](https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/new-proof-photo-prince-andrew-virginia-giuffre-ghislaine-maxwell-epstein/) ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2024, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-the-dopers-think-of-the-kate-middleton-brouhaha/998723/174 "2024-03-14T21:00:47Z")
> [@griffin1977](#): > > > [@Loach](#): > > > > I’ll use the ol’ SDMB chestnut, cite? > > Well seeing as the injunction would prevent anyone from mentioning that the injunction exists there is unlikely to be a cite. > > But it’s irrelevant to the argument. This definitely has all the hallmarks of a super injunction. And they have definitely been used to control the freedom of the press like this in the past. Whether this edit is directly as the result of a super injunction or just self censorship because they don’t want the expense of defending against one. The existence of the super injunction and it’s use in cases like this is a massive encroachment on the freedom of press in the UK. So it’s a guess and you used the guess of someone on Twitter to back it up. ---
**Author:** ![griffin1977](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/977dab/32.png) [@griffin1977](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/griffin1977)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2024, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-the-dopers-think-of-the-kate-middleton-brouhaha/998723/175 "2024-03-14T21:13:59Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > it’s a guess and you used the guess of someone on Twitter to back it up. So which bit of that is factually incorrect? Are super injunctions a “guess” that a nutter on Twitter invented? I’m just guessing they may have been used to restrict press freedom in the UK? Yup totally just made up rumours by leftist extremists, the lot of it. I’ll remind you, that you said: > [@Loach](#): > > Not being able to quote a U.S. comedy show in the UK is not an attack on the press. Yes it absolutely is. Not _being able to do_ exactly that is 100% absolutely definitely an attack on the press. It’s the very definition of an attack on the press ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2024, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-the-dopers-think-of-the-kate-middleton-brouhaha/998723/176 "2024-03-14T21:24:33Z")
Not me! I don’t even understand that language. I think you attributed that to me. I’m not in this. At. All. ---
**Author:** ![griffin1977](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/977dab/32.png) [@griffin1977](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/griffin1977)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2024, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-the-dopers-think-of-the-kate-middleton-brouhaha/998723/177 "2024-03-14T21:25:35Z")
> [@Beckdawrek](#): > > Not me! I don’t even understand that language. > > I think you attributed that to me. I’m not in this. At. All Ooops yeah I was preparing another comment for you. Damn super injunctions 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2024, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-the-dopers-think-of-the-kate-middleton-brouhaha/998723/178 "2024-03-14T21:26:27Z")
No problem. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2024, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-the-dopers-think-of-the-kate-middleton-brouhaha/998723/179 "2024-03-14T22:10:22Z")
FWIW the NYT has a good opinion piece: > **[Opinion | Kate Middleton’s Story Is About So Much More Than Kate Middleton](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/13/opinion/kate-middleton-scandal.html)** > > The scandal is another blatant display of royal double standards. ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2024, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-the-dopers-think-of-the-kate-middleton-brouhaha/998723/180 "2024-03-14T22:28:26Z")
Gift link to the above NYT piece: > **[Opinion | Kate Middleton’s Story Is About So Much More Than Kate Middleton](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/13/opinion/kate-middleton-scandal.html?unlocked_article_code=1.ck0.VUmV.atCkQPGCJuXZ&smid=url-share)** > > The scandal is another blatant display of royal double standards. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-the-dopers-think-of-the-kate-middleton-brouhaha/998723.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-the-dopers-think-of-the-kate-middleton-brouhaha/998723.md?page=10)