# What do Trump voters think now? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [April 20, 2017, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-trump-voters-think-now/784847 "2017-04-20T14:34:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2017, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-trump-voters-think-now/784847/21 "2017-04-20T23:02:52Z")
> [@Johnny\_Ace](#): > > …or directing the FBI to watch Fox News for evidence… Wait, what? I say “Cite?” not in suspicion but gleeful anticipation. ---
**Author:** ![DSYoungEsq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c6cbf5/32.png) [@DSYoungEsq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSYoungEsq)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2017, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-trump-voters-think-now/784847/22 "2017-04-20T23:03:50Z")
> [@Johnny\_Ace](#): > > Uh, yeah…there are a ‘few’ more presidential fuckups he’s made than that. > > Let’s start with ‘presidential’ tweets…like accusing Obama and Susan Rice of felonies on no evidence whatsoever…or directing the FBI to watch Fox News for evidence…or attacking the judicial system and judges for having the audacity to decide against him? Or losing or firing numerous appointees for various reasons, usually having to do with unsuitability? How about flippity-flopping more than the Easter Bunny on many of those policies that got him elected in the first place? Bald-faced and obviously lying (forcing his mouthpieces into tizzies trying to spin them) about nearly everything he comments on? Nepotism, anyone? > > If you can’t find more than you came up with, you either haven’t been watching _or_ you’ve been in the Faux News bubble. Did you not read what I wrote? Or did you just home in on this in spite of what I wrote? > [@DSYoungEsq](#): > > When he tweets something stupid, that’s not a Presidential thing, so it really doesn’t matter. Almost all of what you are talking about are not Presidential things. They are Trump things. Presidential things you mention are limited entirely to his appointees, and in his defense, the two appointees that had to withdraw for reasons certainly weren’t his fault (both obfuscated or flat out lied about things prior to the appointment). No, sorry. I know that people like you are all butt-hurt about him, but those of us who inhabit the middle of the spectrum see through all the trees you’re letting yourself get caught up in. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2017, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-trump-voters-think-now/784847/23 "2017-04-20T23:24:39Z")
> [@DSYoungEsq](#): > > …the two appointees that had to withdraw for reasons certainly weren’t his fault (both obfuscated or flat out lied about things prior to the appointment). Wah! How could I possibly know things about the people I’m hiring! I’m the victim, wah! The buck stops somewhere down there. Keep looking, you’ll find it. ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2017, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-trump-voters-think-now/784847/24 "2017-04-21T00:41:17Z")
His approval rating among republicans has been a steady 80% since taking office. Trump is polling \<10% among democrats, about 30-40% among independents and about 80% among republicans. So his poll numbers in the high 30s may be his basement. ---
**Author:** ![jshore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b5e925/32.png) [@jshore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jshore)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2017, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-trump-voters-think-now/784847/25 "2017-04-21T01:13:20Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > “Tell me what I want to hear” is why the polls were wrong before the election. > > Regards, > Shodan Do you have any evidence whatsoever to support this claim? The fact is that on the national level, the polls were very close…Off by maybe 1-2% in the aggregate. On the state scale, there were larger discrepancies, but they tended to correlate with how many non-college-educated whites there were, with The Donald outperforming where there were a lot and Hillary outperforming where there were fewer. ---
**Author:** ![igor\_frankensteen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/839c29/32.png) [@igor\_frankensteen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/igor_frankensteen)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2017, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-trump-voters-think-now/784847/26 "2017-04-21T01:51:35Z")
> [@DSYoungEsq](#): > > Did you not read what I wrote? Or did you just home in on this in spite of what I wrote? > Almost all of what you are talking about are not Presidential things. They are Trump things. Presidential things you mention are limited entirely to his appointees, and in his defense, the two appointees that had to withdraw for reasons certainly weren’t his fault (both obfuscated or flat out lied about things prior to the appointment). > > No, sorry. I know that people like you are all butt-hurt about him, but those of us who inhabit the middle of the spectrum see through all the trees you’re letting yourself get caught up in. Apparently you aren’t aware that because Trump IS the President, EVERYTHING he does is a “Presidential thing,” whether he wants them to be or not. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2017, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-trump-voters-think-now/784847/27 "2017-04-21T01:55:51Z")
PPP released [a poll](http://tu9srvbirvvtmtikd3d3lnb1ymxpy3bvbgljexbvbgxpbmcuy29t.g00.realclearpolitics.com/g00/2_d3d3LnJlYWxjbGVhcnBvbGl0aWNzLmNvbQ%3D%3D_/TU9SRVBIRVVTMTIkaHR0cDovL3d3dy5wdWJsaWNwb2xpY3lwb2xsaW5nLmNvbS9wZGYvMjAxNy9QUFBfUmVsZWFzZV9OYXRpb25hbF80MjAxNy5wZGY%3D_%24/%24/%24/%24) today. The nice thing about PPP polls is that if you dig into them you can find every question divided by who the pollee voted for in 2016. Here are some of the questions… Trump job approval. ```auto Base Trump Voters Clinton Voters Approve 43% 89% 6% Disapprove 50% 7% 88% Not sure 7% 3% 5% ``` Is Donald Trump honest? ```auto Base Trump Voters Clinton Voters Honest 41% 85% 6% Not honest 54% 9% 91% Not sure 6% 6% 2% ``` Do you think that Donald Trump has made America Great Again, or not? ```auto Base Trump Voters Clinton Voters MAGA 35% 78% 2% No MAGA 55% 9% 93% Not sure 10% 13% 5% ``` Who do you think played more golf during their first 3 months in office: Barack Obama or Donald Trump? ```auto Base Trump Voters Clinton Voters Obama 28% 53% 9% Trump 48% 20% 72% Not sure 24% 27% 19% ``` The golf question is my favorite. It’s a question with an easily verifiable factual answer. A slim majority of Trump voters believe this demonstrably false thing. ---
**Author:** ![DSYoungEsq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c6cbf5/32.png) [@DSYoungEsq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSYoungEsq)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2017, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-trump-voters-think-now/784847/28 "2017-04-21T01:57:13Z")
> [@igor\_frankensteen](#): > > Apparently you aren’t aware that because Trump IS the President, EVERYTHING he does is a “Presidential thing,” whether he wants them to be or not. Yes, well, see post #17. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2017, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-trump-voters-think-now/784847/29 "2017-04-21T02:06:30Z")
Here’s one more because it’s weird. United Airlines Favorability ```auto Base Trump Voters Clinton Voters Favorable 23% 27% 18% Unfavorable 47% 41% 59% Not sure 30% 32% 23% ``` That’s a statistically significant difference. Anyone have a theory as to why? ---
**Author:** ![penultima\_thule](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/penultima_thule/32/3833_2.png) [@penultima\_thule](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/penultima_thule)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2017, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-trump-voters-think-now/784847/30 "2017-04-21T02:11:51Z")
> [@Icarus](#): > > Trump voters are likely not being given messages that call his actions into question. This is not unreasonable at all. I’ve seen scant evidence Trump is given messages that call his actions into question. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2017, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-trump-voters-think-now/784847/31 "2017-04-21T02:12:56Z")
I can’t stop myself. For comparison they also asked… Delta Airlines Favorability ```auto Base Trump Voters Clinton Voters Favorable 45% 49% 45% Unfavorable 14% 14% 16% Not sure 41% 37% 39% ``` Those differences are not statistically significant. ---
**Author:** ![penultima\_thule](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/penultima_thule/32/3833_2.png) [@penultima\_thule](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/penultima_thule)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2017, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-trump-voters-think-now/784847/32 "2017-04-21T02:20:28Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > United Airlines Favorability > > That’s a statistically significant difference. Anyone have a theory as to why? Trump supporters either fly business class or don’t fly at all? ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Feldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lord_feldon/32/341_2.png) [@Lord\_Feldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Feldon)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2017, 4:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-trump-voters-think-now/784847/33 "2017-04-21T04:25:33Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > That’s a statistically significant difference. Anyone have a theory as to why? The recent United controversy involved someone suffering personal consequences at the hands of the police. That is a huge wedge issue. (IMO the whole policing issue was an underrated part of Trump’s victory. I heard it a lot in November and January, how nice it was that the police are going to be respected again. Often from people who rarely mentioned politics at all.) ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2017, 8:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-trump-voters-think-now/784847/34 "2017-04-21T08:03:36Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Wait, what? I say “Cite?” not in suspicion but gleeful anticipation. I’m sure, assuming that they’re even reading this, that the Trumpies will question the source, but… [http://occupydemocrats.com/2017/04/03/trump-just-ordered-fbi-watch-fox-news-evidence/](http://occupydemocrats.com/2017/04/03/trump-just-ordered-fbi-watch-fox-news-evidence/) ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2017, 8:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-trump-voters-think-now/784847/35 "2017-04-21T08:12:03Z")
> [@DSYoungEsq](#): > > Did you not read what I wrote? Or did you just home in on this in spite of what I wrote? > Almost all of what you are talking about are not Presidential things. They are Trump things. Presidential things you mention are limited entirely to his appointees, and in his defense, the two appointees that had to withdraw for reasons certainly weren’t his fault (both obfuscated or flat out lied about things prior to the appointment). > > No, sorry. I know that people like you are all butt-hurt about him, but those of us who inhabit the middle of the spectrum see through all the trees you’re letting yourself get caught up in. No, no, I’m sorry. If you truly believe that the President (you know, leader of the free world) falsely accusing an ex-President and a former intel chief of FELONIES (not an exaggeration) is insignificant, you’re flat-out delusional. There’s no other way to describe it. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2017, 8:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-trump-voters-think-now/784847/36 "2017-04-21T08:38:56Z")
> [@Hampshire](#): > > Since all my parents watch is Fox they are oblivious to the shitstorm he’s been creating and think everything is moving along just fine. It’s not just television. [It’s also Facebook](http://graphics.wsj.com/blue-feed-red-feed/). > [@Johnny\_Ace](#): > > No, no, I’m sorry. If you truly believe that the President (you know, leader of the free world) falsely accusing an ex-President and a former intel chief of FELONIES (not an exaggeration) is insignificant, you’re flat-out delusional. There’s no other way to describe it. Not to mention the blatant conflicts of interest in refusing to set up a blind trust and instead having his businesses run by his family, some of whom also have plum jobs in his administration. And the literally millions of taxpayers dollars spent at Mar-A-Lago and other Trump properties, which go right back into his pocket. ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2017, 12:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-trump-voters-think-now/784847/37 "2017-04-21T12:13:54Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > The golf question is my favorite. It’s a question with an easily verifiable factual answer. A slim majority of Trump voters believe this demonstrably false thing. In 2013 pollsters asked republicans in Louisiana who they blamed for the poor response to hurricane Katrina. Only 28% blamed George Bush, the rest either blamed Obama or didn’t know if Bush or Obama was to blame. > **[Poll: Louisiana GOPers Unsure If Katrina Response Was Obama’s Fault](https://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/poll-louisiana-gopers-unsure-if-katrina-response-was-obama-s-fault)** > > A significant chunk of Louisiana Republicans evidently believe that President Barack Obama is to blame for the poor response to the hurricane that ravaged their state more than three years before he… > [@](#): > > Twenty-eight percent said they think former President George W. Bush, who was in office at the time, was more responsible for the poor federal response while 29 percent said Obama, who was still a freshman U.S. Senator when the storm battered the Gulf Coast in 2005, was more responsible. Nearly half of Louisiana Republicans — 44 percent — said they aren’t sure who to blame. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2017, 12:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-trump-voters-think-now/784847/38 "2017-04-21T12:42:01Z")
> [@Icarus](#): > > This is an important point, with the usual media bubbles, Trump voters are likely not being given messages that call his actions into question. > > Whereas in other areas of media bubbles, his constant golfing weekends at Mar-A-Lago are grounds for impeachment, his continued family business dealings are grounds for a firing squad, he’s a Russian plant, and the FBI is just days away from frog-marching the whole lot out the door. **So, it kinda depends on who one listens to.** My bold. Except that Trump \*\*does \*\*golf a lot at Mar-a-Lago, his family business dealings \*\*are \*\*a conflict of interest _(NOT grounds for a firing squad-- hyperbole does not serve your point)_, there are \*\*real \*\*questions about his campaign’s/administration’s relationship with the Russians, even if the FBI isn’t days away from marching him out the door _(see above note on hyperbole)._ Fox News creates a media bubble (and Trump appears to be inside it along with his people). Mainstream news outlets do not, unless you consider presenting facts to be a “media bubble.” A better label would be “reality bubble,” or just plain **reality**. OPINIONS presented by members of the mainstream media–THAT’S a different conversation. Opinion and factual reporting are two different things in legitimate media. They are the same thing on Fox. Your point is not well made. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2017, 1:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-trump-voters-think-now/784847/39 "2017-04-21T13:14:14Z")
> [@Johnny\_Ace](#): > > No, no, I’m sorry. If you truly believe that the President (you know, leader of the free world) falsely accusing an ex-President and a former intel chief of FELONIES (not an exaggeration) is insignificant, you’re flat-out delusional. There’s no other way to describe it. A difference in assessment does not mean delusion. Accusing other posters of being delusional does mean that you get a warning for personal insults. [/moderating] ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2017, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-trump-voters-think-now/784847/40 "2017-04-21T13:20:47Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Opinion and factual reporting are two different things in legitimate media. They are the same thing on Fox. To quote The Daily Show: > [@Jon Stewart](#): > > We’re all smart enough to discern the line between hard news and opinion on Fox, much in the way that you can taste all the individual ingredients that go into soup. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-trump-voters-think-now/784847.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-trump-voters-think-now/784847.md?page=3)