# What do Trump voters think now? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [April 20, 2017, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-trump-voters-think-now/784847 "2017-04-20T14:34:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2017, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-trump-voters-think-now/784847/81 "2017-04-23T02:31:47Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > From Fox News comments on Facebook, many Trumpers are still posting “Trump is getting it done!” approving comments, but others are beginning to grumble about Trump backtracking on promises or turning out to be a liberal in disguise. Six months from now they may fully turn on him in rage if he is perceived as a lefty who fooled them. But there’s kinda gotta be an upper limit to that, right? Like, if he keeps on keeping on, do you figure they’ll say, _“Boy, I sure wish I’d voted for Hillary,”_ or that they’ll stop short upon figuring he’s backtracking on promises she never would’ve made? Granted that he’d disappoint them, wouldn’t they still prefer Trump over someone who would’ve done the same stuff, and _more,_ while tapping a practicing abortionist or something for the Supreme Court? If so, then how much buyer’s remorse can they realistically muster? ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2017, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-trump-voters-think-now/784847/82 "2017-04-23T02:33:56Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > But there’s kinda gotta be an upper limit to that, right? > > Like, if he keeps on keeping on, do you figure they’ll say, _“Boy, I sure wish I’d voted for Hillary,”_ or that they’ll stop short upon figuring he’s backtracking on promises she never would’ve made? Granted that he’d disappoint them, wouldn’t they still prefer Trump over someone who would’ve done the same stuff, and _more,_ while tapping a practicing abortionist or something for the Supreme Court? > > If so, then how much buyer’s remorse can they realistically muster? Right - I don’t think for one bit their buyer’s remorse will be about not having voted for Hillary. It’ll be, “We voted for a fake conservative, Trump. We need a real conservative.” ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2017, 6:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-trump-voters-think-now/784847/83 "2017-04-23T06:35:53Z")
Yeah, this time run a _real_ conservative, because that’ll work! America, after all, is a conservative country, basically center right. The real Americans, at any rate, the vast Silent Majority. Speaking for the conservative wing of the extreme left, we cringe in fear of the briar patch. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2017, 7:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-trump-voters-think-now/784847/84 "2017-04-23T07:33:18Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > From Fox News comments on Facebook, many Trumpers are still posting “Trump is getting it done!” approving comments, but others are beginning to grumble about Trump backtracking on promises or turning out to be a liberal in disguise. Six months from now they may fully turn on him in rage if he is perceived as a lefty who fooled them. Oh, he’s promised to release his tax plan this week, or guidelines for the framework for the drafting for the proposal for his tax plan, at least. I expect the windfall for the rich to bring a lot of his base back into the fold. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2017, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-trump-voters-think-now/784847/85 "2017-04-23T14:06:02Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > From Fox News comments on Facebook, many Trumpers are still posting “Trump is getting it done!” approving comments, but others are beginning to grumble about Trump backtracking on promises or turning out to be a liberal in disguise. Six months from now they may fully turn on him in rage if he is perceived as a lefty who fooled them. I posted about this in another thread but I watched a few minutes of Jeanine Pirro on Fox last night and if this was your only source of news you would believe that the Trump presidency is an awesome success. The part I saw was an analysis of foreign policy and apparently both Russia and China have been bent to the will of the US by Trump’s mastery. Russia is going to walk away from Syria and Iran and China is taking care of North Korea. I was flabbergasted. Outright lies. But I’m a New Yorker and I’m still amazed by the intensity of the Trump hate. It’s not so much that every NYC woman of a certain age (55+) hates him with the intensity of a star gone nova. It’s that any random conversation I strike up with a stranger in that group , at a doctors office, in a bank line…turns into a diatribe on how horrible Trump is and how much he sucks in about 15 seconds flat. Happened in the doctors office the other morning - me and the other older woman were going off on Trump. A middle-aged guy was also in the waiting room. looking really scared and trying to disappear into the walls. And when Foxs Jeanine Pirro asked people on the streets of NY “Who poses the biggest threat to our country -ISIS, Russia or North Korea ?”, pretty much everyone answered “Trump”. It was awesome. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2017, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-trump-voters-think-now/784847/86 "2017-04-23T15:23:06Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > That’s kinda open-ended, isn’t it? Maybe just the top ten. Doesn’t look like we’re even going to get the top _one_. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2017, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-trump-voters-think-now/784847/87 "2017-04-23T19:46:21Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > …Each media story about the deportation of a mother torn away from her child, or of a DACA student brought here as a baby, thrills the base with its clear message that what is wrong with those people is not that they are costing the USA money or committing violence—_what is wrong with them is that they are Latino_. > > Trump voters will stand for any amount of outright corruption and self-dealing from Trump; for any amount of collusion with a foreign adversary; for any amount of incompetence and ineptitude—so long as Trump lets them glory in their (supposed) racial superiority. (And I say that as a white person.) > [@DSYoungEsq](#): > > Uh, no. I have plenty of friends who are not opposed to Latinos in the US, but who are quite adamantly opposed to people in the country “illegally”, as they put it. … Too often the Democratic Party and its followers would take some very obnoxious statement from Candidate Trump, and use it as evidence that he **and his followers** were all racist xenophobic monsters. … Some Trump voters are not racists. Some Trump voters are racists. Both groups object when racism in their actions or views is pointed out–some legitimately; some not. If no (or virtually no) Trump voters are racist, then we would expect to see lots of vocal objections to the deportations of people whose only crime was to have been brought to this country at age 9, and to deportations of law-abiding, working, tax-paying parents of small children (who admittedly did commit that one crime of crossing illegally). If no (or virtually no) Trump voters are racist, we would expect to see them saying something like “we wanted Trump to deport the violent criminals–the drug dealers–the gang bangers–the rapists–the murderers. Why is he wasting time deporting all these non-violent people, many of whom are taxpayers?” Are we seeing such vocal objections from Trump voters? I see no evidence that such is the case. From this thread: > [@Velocity](#): > > From Fox News comments on Facebook, many Trumpers are still posting “Trump is getting it done!” approving comments, but others are beginning to grumble about Trump backtracking on promises or turning out to be a liberal in disguise. … Doesn’t sound like much in the way of ‘deport the violent, not these other people’ objections to what Trump is doing. So I’m not sure that your cri de coeur is valid, here. Sure, no one likes to be called racist. But some people who object strenuously to being called racist actually are racist. And feeling satisfaction (or even just indifference) to the many current accounts of non-violent Latino people–even people with valid papers–being scared all the time that they’ll be deported…well, yeah. That _is_ kinda racist. ---
**Author:** ![Ulfreida](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ulfreida/32/8014_2.png) [@Ulfreida](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ulfreida)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2017, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-trump-voters-think-now/784847/88 "2017-04-23T19:55:23Z")
> [@Icarus](#): > > This is an important point, with the usual media bubbles, Trump voters are likely not being given messages that call his actions into question. > > Whereas in other areas of media bubbles, his constant golfing weekends at Mar-A-Lago are grounds for impeachment, his continued family business dealings are grounds for a firing squad, he’s a Russian plant, and the FBI is just days away from frog-marching the whole lot out the door. So, it kinda depends on who one listens to. Cite? The only ‘media bubble’ I follow that is even close to this would be my howling Facebook feed, which is clearly opinion and little else. The mainstream media say nothing of the sort. Fox is simply not covering the news, because it contravert their message. That would be the difference. ---
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2017, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-trump-voters-think-now/784847/89 "2017-04-23T19:57:03Z")
Posting here as well, cuz relevant to the OP. Apparently not only Trump voters would vote for him again, but the poll (if true) says quite a few Clinton voters would switch to Trump: (the poll was conducted Apr 17-20) > **[Nearing 100 days, Trump’s approval at record lows but his base is holding](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/nearing-100-days-trumps-approval-at-record-lows-but-his-base-is-holding/2017/04/22/a513a466-26b4-11e7-b503-9d616bd5a305_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_poll-1202am%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.1a244977a70c)** > > Compared to other presidents, Trump is judged lower than most on attributes. The new survey finds 46 percent saying they voted for Clinton and 43 percent for Trump, similar to her two-point national vote margin. Asked how they would vote if the election were held today, 43 say they would support Trump and 40 percent say Clinton. ---
**Author:** ![DSYoungEsq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c6cbf5/32.png) [@DSYoungEsq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSYoungEsq)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2017, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-trump-voters-think-now/784847/90 "2017-04-23T22:18:25Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > If no (or virtually no) Trump voters are racist, then we would expect to see lots of vocal objections to the deportations of people whose only crime was to have been brought to this country at age 9, and to deportations of law-abiding, working, tax-paying parents of small children (who admittedly did commit that one crime of crossing illegally). This is a false statement. It assumes that enforcing immigration laws tightly MUST be racist in intent. That’s not inherently true at all. Plenty of people simply don’t like that people are here who broke the law. You appear to think that breaking the law regarding how you enter the country is some sort of lesser-important law (“only crime was to have been …”). But not everyone views laws that way. Note that I cited Hispanic friends who have the viewpoint the laws need to be enforced tightly. Are you asserting that they are racist for wanting that? Now, mind you, I’m not going to assert that there aren’t people with racist viewpoints supporting the President here. Indeed, this country’s history on immigration is one long litany of stupidly racist viewpoints taking hold time after time (see: Know-nothing Party, Chinese Exclusion Act, Immigration Act of 1924, etc.). So the point isn’t to say that there aren’t racists supporting the President’s actions on immigration. But what you’ve done is go further: to assert that ANYONE supporting the President’s acts on immigration MUST be racist, because strict enforcement of the immigration laws is an inherently racist action. And that’s just false, both from an empirical standpoint as well as from a deductive reasoning standpoint. ---
**Author:** ![DinoR](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dinor/32/2821_2.png) [@DinoR](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DinoR)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2017, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-trump-voters-think-now/784847/91 "2017-04-23T23:46:49Z")
> [@DSYoungEsq](#): > > I also have FB friends who were voters for him despite disliking him personally. One of them was voting solely on the issue of judicial picks. So far, he’s quite satisfied. Ooops, judicial nominations was a theme I saw a lot of too and to the extent I’ve heard they are generally pleased with Gorsuch. I will point out that a number of the people I know didn’t just like him personally. His rhetoric, vague agenda, and lack of relevant experience were disliked too. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2017, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-trump-voters-think-now/784847/92 "2017-04-23T23:54:31Z")
> [@DSYoungEsq](#): > > This is a false statement. It assumes that enforcing immigration laws tightly MUST be racist in intent. That’s not inherently true at all. Plenty of people simply don’t like that people are here who broke the law. You appear to think that breaking the law regarding how you enter the country is some sort of lesser-important law (“only crime was to have been …”). But not everyone views laws that way. Note that I cited Hispanic friends who have the viewpoint the laws need to be enforced tightly. Are you asserting that they are racist for wanting that? … I’d be inclined to believe they are racist for wanting that IF those they want to see deported are Latino, yes. Obviously I don’t know your friends. How much do they talk about the dangers to the US economy posed by _Europeans_ here illegally? (According to a February 2016 Homeland Security report\*, over 123,000 Europeans were here illegally—as opposed to just over 42,000 Mexicans). How often do your friends specifically criticize non-enforcement of immigration laws against _Asians_–over 56,000 of whom were here illegally according to that same 2016 report…? To what extent do your friends vocally deplore the illegal presence of over 93,000 Canadians, and demand that action be taken? If you hear a lot from these friends about how Swedish and British people’s presence in the USA requires a major crack-down, then I could see that it would make no sense to suggest that racism is a factor. I’m not in favor of doing nothing with regard to people in the country illegally. I’m in favor of such people registering, paying back taxes and fines, and ultimately passing a citizenship test, as well as submitting relevant paperwork to document their personal histories. But deporting a working, tax-paying mother whose presence is necessary to the health of her child,\*\* is pure White Supremacist Theater. It’s ugly–and it can’t be dressed up as ‘respect for Law,’ because there are so many other ways such respect could be effectively and appropriately demonstrated. \*[Homeland Security produces first estimate of foreign visitors to U.S. who overstay deadline to leave | Pew Research Center](http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/02/03/homeland-security-produces-first-estimate-of-foreign-visitors-to-u-s-who-overstay-deadline-to-leave/) \*\*[Mother of four to be deported to Mexico in sign of Trump policy shift | US immigration | The Guardian](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/apr/06/ice-immigration-maribel-trujillo-deportation-mexico) > [@](#): > > The mother of four American children, the youngest of whom is three years old, has been picked up by federal agents at her home in Fairfield, Ohio, and taken into detention ahead of imminent deportation back to her native Mexico. > Maribel Trujillo has been told that her deportation is set for next Tuesday from the US, where she has lived for the past 15 years. > … there is considerable anecdotal evidence that Immigration and Customs Enforcement (Ice) agents are more willing to pick up individuals without a record of major crime. … > In addition to being the family’s main breadwinner, as a result of her husband Gustavo’s health problems, Trujillo also cares for two of her children with special medical needs: Gustavo, 10, who has a form of pre-diabetes, and the youngest, Daniela, who has a history of seizures. ---
**Author:** ![DSYoungEsq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c6cbf5/32.png) [@DSYoungEsq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSYoungEsq)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2017, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-trump-voters-think-now/784847/93 "2017-04-24T00:20:12Z")
Again, what part of enforcing the law makes it **racist**? The part that the person who did the illegal thing is from Mexico or Central America? If the ICE deports someone for a technical violation of a visa, who is from Europe, does that become **racist** because it’s strict enforcement of immigration laws? And as I pointed out upthread, YES, my friends who have these views are just as upset about visa overstays and the like. It’s the **illegal** part they dislike, not the race/nationality/religion/name-your-distinguishing-characteristic of the person involved. It’s so convenient for “liberals” to tar “conservatives” with labels like “racist” over stuff like this. But unless and until you can establish the one-to-one correspondence between the action and the label, all you’re doing is making yourself look like someone who cannot debate a subject without making _ad hominem_ aspersions. I would agree that there are other ways to handle certain types of immigration violations. But that does not mean that choosing to handle them unreasonably is inherently racist. To establish that racism is the root cause, one would have to show that there was differentiated treatment of different groups of violators. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2017, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-trump-voters-think-now/784847/94 "2017-04-24T05:02:14Z")
> [@DSYoungEsq](#): > > …But that does not mean that choosing to handle them unreasonably is inherently racist… Ah! Well, whatever were we worried about? So, its merely mean-spirited injustice visited upon the weak, but untainted by racism! What a relief! ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2017, 9:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-trump-voters-think-now/784847/95 "2017-04-24T09:26:19Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > My bold. > > \*We \*who? \*All \*who? I’m smart enough. Maybe you are. Fox watchers aren’t. I know some of them and they routinely quote opinion as gospel. They can’t tell the difference. > [@John\_Mace](#): > > Whooooooooosh!! Indeed. I think the second half of Stewart’s sentence may cast some light on how the full statement should be read. ---
**Author:** ![DSYoungEsq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c6cbf5/32.png) [@DSYoungEsq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSYoungEsq)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2017, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-trump-voters-think-now/784847/96 "2017-04-24T13:38:54Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Ah! Well, whatever were we worried about? So, its merely mean-spirited injustice visited upon the weak, but untainted by racism! What a relief! Ah, again with the value judgments. “Mean-spirited injustice” :rolleyes: It is strict enforcement of the law without regard for what might be termed “compassion.” It’s the same thought process that insists upon execution of murderers, despite the fact that others think executing people is an unconscionable sin, a violation of the most basic right of a human. It’s the same thought process that sees nothing wrong with incarcerating someone who steals some small, insignificant item out of desperation for being poor and in need. It might not be what **you** value, but it’s not an inherently **bad** thing; there are whole societies built up around the principle that strict enforcement of laws helps strengthen the society as a whole. **I** don’t ascribe to that notion, but I don’t consider people who do to be inherently **bad** people. I don’t assume they are “mean-spirited” (a la Ebeneezer Scrooge), and I don’t view the result as an inherent “injustice.” Indeed, one might assert that the “injustice” would come from failure of the system to enforce the laws. Now, if you believe the LAWS are unjust, there is a solution for that: fix the laws, or protest against them. But don’t tar everyone who believes in upholding them with the broad brush admittedly applicable to some of them. That’s just as wrong as someone assuming everyone who is “black” is an inherently lazy person, for example. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2017, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-trump-voters-think-now/784847/97 "2017-04-24T21:16:29Z")
> [@Lightnin](#): > > Do you mean the $34,023 in back taxes, which he paid back (including the $8,679 in interest)? Yes. He didn’t pay payroll taxes for several years and claimed it was an oversight. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2017, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-trump-voters-think-now/784847/98 "2017-04-25T19:11:16Z")
He paid payroll taxes every year. From 2001 to 2004 he was responsible for both the employee and employer contribution for social security and medicare and he only paid one. This came to light in a 2006 audit and he made good on what he owed plus penalties and interest. Everything was cleared up years before his nomination to the cabinet. This looks like an honest mistake to me. Are you insisting that there is no possible way that this could be an honest mistake? ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2017, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-trump-voters-think-now/784847/99 "2017-04-25T19:36:16Z")
> [@DSYoungEsq](#): > > Again, what part of enforcing the law makes it **racist**? The part that the person who did the illegal thing is from Mexico or Central America? If the ICE deports someone for a technical violation of a visa, who is from Europe, does that become **racist** because it’s strict enforcement of immigration laws? > > And as I pointed out upthread, YES, my friends who have these views are just as upset about visa overstays and the like. It’s the **illegal** part they dislike, not the race/nationality/religion/name-your-distinguishing-characteristic of the person involved. > > It’s so convenient for “liberals” to tar “conservatives” with labels like “racist” over stuff like this. But unless and until you can establish the one-to-one correspondence between the action and the label, all you’re doing is making yourself look like someone who cannot debate a subject without making _ad hominem_ aspersions. > > I would agree that there are other ways to handle certain types of immigration violations. But that does not mean that choosing to handle them unreasonably is inherently racist. To establish that racism is the root cause, one would have to show that there was differentiated treatment of different groups of violators. Do you deny that Sheriff Arpaio’s enforcement was racist? Do you think that papers please laws in general are not racist? If you walk by a caucasian (who could have run across the border from canada last week), and ask a hispanic (who could have family roots that go back farther than our nation) for their papers, how is that not racist? Now, I will not in any way claim that all ICE enforcement is racist, or even most, but you seem to be claiming that none of it is, or that none of the ICE agents have a racial bias when they decide who they are going to look at more closely. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2017, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-trump-voters-think-now/784847/100 "2017-04-25T21:20:36Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > Do you deny that Sheriff Arpaio’s enforcement was racist? > > Do you think that papers please laws in general are not racist? > > If you walk by a caucasian (who could have run across the border from canada last week), and ask a hispanic (who could have family roots that go back farther than our nation) for their papers, how is that not racist? > > Now, I will not in any way claim that all ICE enforcement is racist, or even most, but you seem to be claiming that none of it is, or that none of the ICE agents have a racial bias when they decide who they are going to look at more closely. ^This. According to the 2016 Homeland Security figures I linked to in my last post, “illegals” are pretty much just as likely to be “white” as to be non-white–Canadians and Northern Europeans are here illegally in large numbers. Yet we hear no stories of white people having ICE pound on their doors or ambush them at their workplaces with demands to prove their legal status. Why not? Why aren’t those whose main interest is “the enforcement of laws”, calling on ICE to start rousting out white people—_who may very well be here illegally_? Someone who is both free of racism and deeply interested in enforcement of laws, _will be on record_ as calling for everyone to have to prove their citizenship on demand 24/7. Papers, please! … 93,000 Canadians here illegally, and 42,000 Mexicans. How often did Trump call for a wall to be built on the Canadian border, again? I forget. > **[Homeland Security produces first estimate of foreign visitors to U.S. who...](https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2016/02/03/homeland-security-produces-first-estimate-of-foreign-visitors-to-u-s-who-overstay-deadline-to-leave/)** > > Out of 45 million U.S. arrivals by air and sea whose tourist or business visas expired in fiscal 2015, the agency estimates that about 416,500 people were still in the country this year. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-trump-voters-think-now/784847.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-trump-voters-think-now/784847.md?page=6)