# What do Trump voters think now? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [April 20, 2017, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-trump-voters-think-now/784847 "2017-04-20T14:34:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![E-DUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/e-dub/32/403_2.png) [@E-DUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-DUB)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2017, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-trump-voters-think-now/784847/121 "2017-04-28T19:43:14Z")
elucidator wrote: “Tighty rightys have no actual sense of humor, its the only reason Dennis Miller still cashes any paychecks.” Actually, conservatives DO have a sense of humor, however it usually hasn’t advanced past the Larry, Moe, and Curley stage. Anything involving, say, irony goes right past them. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2017, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-trump-voters-think-now/784847/122 "2017-04-28T20:48:40Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Probably faking it. Like those tighty-righty posters who start out their lame laments with “I am entertained that…”, or “I find it amusing that…” Tighty rightys have no actual sense of humor, its the only reason Dennis Miller still cashes any paychecks. > > 'Course, maybe not. Depends. Does this young lady post “candid photos”? Is this fascination with “anti-Trump frothings” some kind of kinky pervo sex thing? When she gets her fill, will she either shut up or go away? > > Asklng for a friend. Not that one, the other one. They don’t have a sense of humor, but they do understand the concept of a joke. They know that there are some comedians who say things that they find offensive, and other’s find funny. So, they assume that by phrasing it as a joke, they can say whatever hateful, harmful, offensive rhetoric, and then step back and say, “Why are you offended, it was just a joke.” and then usually make some remarks about snowflakes or something. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2017, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-trump-voters-think-now/784847/123 "2017-04-28T21:37:03Z")
I was so excited when the Phantom Menace came out. I had been waiting so long for a Star Wars movie. I KNEW it was gonna be awesome. I annoyed everyone about how excited I was about it. When I left the theater, part of me knew that the movie blew, but I convinced myself that I enjoyed it. I wasn’t effusive in the praise, but I was so committed to that movie being good that I lied to myself and I lied to everyone I spoke to and said it was a decent to good flick. Took a few years before I finally acknowledged what I knew at the time. Trump supporters went all in here, and to admit that all the shit that they took for their support was actually justified is likely to take longer than that. Nobody likes to be conned, and they will lie to themselves to convince themselves that the con was something they wanted from the beginning. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2017, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-trump-voters-think-now/784847/124 "2017-04-28T21:52:39Z")
[CNN commentators gave Trump a report card](http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/27/opinions/100-days-report-card-opinion-roundup/index.html). Personally, I thought SE Cupp’s observation was the most relevant: > [@](#): > > The pundit class can hem and haw all it wants about how earth-shattering it is that Trump’s accomplished so little in his first 100 days. And it’s inarguable that he has. But until his supporters care, our assessments matter little. But I suspect quite a few here will enjoy reading some confirmation from their friends at CNN, so here it is. BTW, I’d give President Trump a B- so far. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2017, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-trump-voters-think-now/784847/125 "2017-04-28T22:41:24Z")
> [@BeepKillBeep](#): > > You know it is funny. In the pit thread, you seem to decry that you want to be taken seriously and get serious responses. But you post stuff like this that is so far removed from fact that it makes it difficult to take you seriously. > > For example, proof by counter-example: > > 1. During Obama’s 8 years as president 15 million jobs were created. > 2. Trump during the past three months has not created more than 15 million jobs, even if we give him credit for jobs he claims to have created (but probably didn’t). > 3. Therefore, Trump has not accomplished more in three months than Obama did in 8 years. > 4. QED. Obama’s job count was closer to 10 million than 15. > **[How good were the 10.9 million jobs under Obama?](https://money.cnn.com/2016/11/04/news/economy/jobs-under-obama/)** > > America has gained 10.9 million new jobs since President Obama took office. CNNMoney breaks down what kinds of jobs have been created and lost. But let’s look at Trump so far. For the month of January: > [@](#): > > U.S. employers added more workers to their payrolls than expected in January as hiring picked up in retail and construction-related industries, though wage growth remained soft. The figures give President Donald Trump’s administration a higher jumping-off point for its plan to stoke further economic growth, while at the same time giving the Federal Reserve more breathing room when it comes to raising rates. > > The economy added 227,000 net new jobs last month, easily beating Wall Street estimates for a gain of 175,000, according to data released from the Bureau of Labor Statistics on Friday > **[First Jobs Report Under Trump Shows Solid Employment Gains, Weak Wage Growth](https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/first-jobs-report-under-trump-shows-solid-employment-gains-weak-wage-growth)** > > The U.S. economy added 227,000 net new jobs in January, beating expectations for 175,000 jobs. The unemployment rate rose 4.8% from 4.7%. So…227,000 jobs in January. Let’s assume that’s low, and also assume that will be an average monthly increase. 227k x 12 = 2.724 million jobs first year. Multiiply that by 4 and we get 10.896 million jobs first term, which is almost exactly what Obama took two terms to create. Therefore, Trump is whipping Obama’s ass 2 to 1 in job creation so far. QED. Will it keep up? I hope so. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2017, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-trump-voters-think-now/784847/126 "2017-04-28T22:43:05Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > Took a few years before I finally acknowledged what I knew at the time. Trump supporters went all in here, and to admit that all the shit that they took for their support was actually justified is likely to take longer than that. Nobody likes to be conned, and they will lie to themselves to convince themselves that the con was something they wanted from the beginning. What con, pray tell? So far, Trump has shown no signs of deviating from trying to keep his campaign promises. That, in and of itself, is a refreshing breath of fresh air in the Washington swamp. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2017, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-trump-voters-think-now/784847/127 "2017-04-28T22:52:37Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > What con, pray tell? So far, Trump has shown no signs of deviating from trying to keep his campaign promises. That, in and of itself, is a refreshing breath of fresh air in the Washington swamp. Locking up Hillary Having Mexico pay for a wall universal health care Releasing his tax returns Draining the swamp Being competent No golfing (too busy) Making America great ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2017, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-trump-voters-think-now/784847/128 "2017-04-28T22:54:37Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > But let’s look at Trump so far. For the month of January: That’s a month that Trump was not even president for most of. > [@](#): > > So…227,000 jobs in January. Let’s assume that’s low,… No, let’s not. Let’s take a month that Trump was actually president for all of, March 2017. 98,000 jobs, that’s 1,176,000 per month, 4,704,000 for a four-year term; that’s a slower rate than Obama. And Trump didn’t have to dig his way out of a recession at the start of his term. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2017, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-trump-voters-think-now/784847/129 "2017-04-29T01:48:15Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > …that’s 1,176,000 per month,… Sorry. Bit of brain fade, should say 1,176,000 **per year**. The other figures are correct. ---
**Author:** ![BeepKillBeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9e8a1a/32.png) [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2017, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-trump-voters-think-now/784847/130 "2017-04-29T02:38:09Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Obama’s job count was closer to 10 million than 15. > [How good were the 10.9 million jobs under Obama?](http://money.cnn.com/2016/11/04/news/economy/jobs-under-obama/) > > But let’s look at Trump so far. For the month of January: > > [First Jobs Report Under Trump Shows Solid Employment Gains, Weak Wage Growth | Fox Business](http://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/2017/02/03/first-jobs-report-under-trump-shows-solid-employment-gains-weak-wage-growth.html) > > So…227,000 jobs in January. Let’s assume that’s low, and also assume that will be an average monthly increase. 227k x 12 = 2.724 million jobs first year. Multiiply that by 4 and we get 10.896 million jobs first term, which is almost exactly what Obama took two terms to create. > Therefore, Trump is whipping Obama’s ass 2 to 1 in job creation so far. QED. > > Will it keep up? I hope so. Nice attempt at a pivot, but your statement was that Trump has done more than Obama since taking office than Obama did in 8 years. This is categorically false. Now, if you’re retracting your incorrect statement and replacing it with “Trump has a higher rate of job creation that Obama so far” well see Robot Arm’s post. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2017, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-trump-voters-think-now/784847/131 "2017-04-29T03:36:12Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Will it keep up? I hope so. As do I. I want the US economy and everyone to do well, and I don’t give a shit who’s president. But, FFS, cherry picking January data, when the guy wasn’t even in office and none of the policies would have anything to do with that number? Come on. You can’t seriously believe that’s a good data point. I’m not ready to make any sort of comparisons at the moment. I’ll wait a year and see where we’re at, when his policies will actually start affecting the numbers. ---
**Author:** ![GreenWyvern](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/greenwyvern/32/2834_2.png) [@GreenWyvern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreenWyvern)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2017, 8:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-trump-voters-think-now/784847/132 "2017-04-29T08:54:18Z")
> [@](#): > > Consumers pulled back sharply on spending in early 2017, the Commerce Department said on Friday, reducing the economy’s quarterly growth to its lowest level in three years. In fact, the 0.7 percent annual growth rate for the period is far below the 2.5 percent pace in President Barack Obama’s final three months in office, let alone Mr. Trump’s 4 percent target. [https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/28/business/economy/economy-gross-domestic-product-first-quarter.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/28/business/economy/economy-gross-domestic-product-first-quarter.html) ---
**Author:** ![crucible](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@crucible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crucible)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2017, 12:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-trump-voters-think-now/784847/133 "2017-04-29T12:19:53Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > I understand this but i think it’s important that we don’t fall for this as a permanent lowering of the bar that defines acceptable presidential behavior. > > Yes, I’m glad that the POTUS and I both share the opinion that the holocaust 1) happened and 2) was bad.\*. I’m sure we both also agree that feeding small children to wild animals for entertainment is bad, as well. > > But this isn’t going to make me change my mind about Trump, not even a little bit. > > \*At the risk of a major hijack, when I think about how many Holocaust deaths would have been prevented had the Allied countries been more welcoming to Jewish refugees it makes me snarky about Holocaust Remembrance. We should at least recognize that we never learn. I would not argue with your position, not one whit. I meant a literal point or two on a scale of 0-1000. He is a joke, a clown, by his own admission, an unprepared lightweight in a job that requires vastly different skills than he ever dreamed of having. Even if he learns to read his teleprompter and not go off on self agrandizing flights of fancy he will never be someone I will call ‘President’. ---
**Author:** ![crucible](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@crucible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crucible)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2017, 12:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-trump-voters-think-now/784847/134 "2017-04-29T12:21:57Z")
> [@pulykamell](#): > > As do I. I want the US economy and everyone to do well, and I don’t give a shit who’s president. But, FFS, cherry picking January data, when the guy wasn’t even in office and none of the policies would have anything to do with that number? Come on. You can’t seriously believe that’s a good data point. > > I’m not ready to make any sort of comparisons at the moment. I’ll wait a year and see where we’re at, when his policies will actually start affecting the numbers. You think we have a year? I think it depends on whether or not fatboy North Korea leader wants to be a martyr. Picture NK as a terrorist state… ---
**Author:** ![The\_Niply\_Elder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8e8cbc/32.png) [@The\_Niply\_Elder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Niply_Elder)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2017, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-trump-voters-think-now/784847/135 "2017-04-30T18:41:53Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > ^This. > > … 93,000 Canadians here illegally, and 42,000 Mexicans. How often did Trump call for a wall to be built on the Canadian border, again? I forget. > > [Homeland Security produces first estimate of foreign visitors to U.S. who overstay deadline to leave | Pew Research Center](http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/02/03/homeland-security-produces-first-estimate-of-foreign-visitors-to-u-s-who-overstay-deadline-to-leave/) Well, in the interest of clarity, these numbers are permit overstayers, not total actual undocumented. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2017, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-trump-voters-think-now/784847/136 "2017-04-30T19:00:04Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > So…227,000 jobs in January. Let’s assume that’s low, and also assume that will be an average monthly increase. Who was President of the United States in January? Unemployment WILL rise in Trump’s Presidency, and I’ll put money on it. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2017, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-trump-voters-think-now/784847/137 "2017-04-30T20:28:33Z")
> [@The\_Niply\_Elder](#): > > Well, in the interest of clarity, these numbers are permit overstayers, not total actual undocumented. They’re still “illegals,” unless we define that term as meaning ‘brown-skinned (and _only_ brown-skinned) people here illegally.’ ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2017, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-trump-voters-think-now/784847/138 "2017-05-01T14:05:29Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Probably faking it. Like those tighty-righty posters who start out their lame laments with “I am entertained that…”, or “I find it amusing that…” Tighty rightys have no actual sense of humor, its the only reason Dennis Miller still cashes any paychecks. > > 'Course, maybe not. Depends. Does this young lady post “candid photos”? Is this fascination with “anti-Trump frothings” some kind of kinky pervo sex thing? When she gets her fill, will she either shut up or go away? > > Asklng for a friend. Not that one, the other one. Before you made sexual comments, you maybe should have asked me to clarify “young” and how I know her. Then you wouldn’t be in the position of having talked so about my teenage daughter. However, I recognize that your boorish behavior wasn’t meant to be quite that spiteful. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2017, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-trump-voters-think-now/784847/139 "2017-05-01T17:51:08Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > So…227,000 jobs in January. This number indicates that Trump inherited a healthy economy with US jobs growing at around a quarter million jobs per month. January 2009… [Job loss: Worst in 34 years](http://money.cnn.com/2009/02/06/news/economy/jobs_january/) That’s what Obama inherited (-600,000ish jobs). I don’t understand how you can simultaneously hold the beliefs that job growth of 227,000 a month is a good (great?) number, and that Obama did nothing in office when he flipped that number from disastrous to a number you like during his eight years. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2017, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-trump-voters-think-now/784847/140 "2017-05-01T18:39:40Z")
> [@Scumpup](#): > > Before you made sexual comments, you maybe should have asked me to clarify “young” and how I know her. Then you wouldn’t be in the position of having talked so about my teenage daughter. However, I recognize that your boorish behavior wasn’t meant to be quite that spiteful. We used to go on picnics sometimes. In the summer, badminton in the backyard. Even a trip to Disney World, once. Sneering at anonymous libtards— well, the important thing is you’re doing something together as a family, I guess. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-trump-voters-think-now/784847.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-trump-voters-think-now/784847.md?page=8)