# What do we call these fucking people? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 22, 2001, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-we-call-these-fucking-people/55420 "2001-02-22T04:04:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Satan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Satan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Satan)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2001, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-we-call-these-fucking-people/55420/41 "2001-02-22T23:38:21Z")
As for everyone who is saying “they’re not trolls,” I am aware of this. This is exactly why we need to come up with something to call them. I used the word troll in the OP only to try and define exactly whom I am talking about with some degree of recognition since we don’t have a word for these folks yet. I mean, I had to come up with SOME way to describe them… If I thought they were simply trolls, why yes, there wouldn’t be a need for this thread. Oh, another thing I just thought of: Intellectual Dishonesty. This is another trait of this type of poster. Someone who will avoid debates, twist them around until they are not at all what you THOUGHT you were discussing, and never give a straight answer to the simplest challenges. And for the record, there is a difference between disagreeing with someone who says “I am pro-choice” and someone who claims that some basic FACTS, whether they are from science, math or historical events, are wrong and steadfastly stick to them in spite of being shown multiple times (many of them nicely) how they are wrong. If people REALLY don’t see the difference between the likes of **David B** , **pldennison** and **jodi** - all of whom can be QUITE WILLING to disagree with a particular view and argue it to death down to the smallest fraction of semantic nuance (and I’m probably guilty as charged as well) and the likes of **Phaedrus** , who led everyone on a wild goose chase, the creationists who will argue with illogic and incorrect data and never actually admit errors in their critical thinking, to **FriendofGod** , who is notorious for his intellectual dishonesty, and this guy who essentially admitted already in that thread that nothing would satisfy him that we went to the moon, then I don’t know what you’re thinking. Most of the people in this thread got it. I like the names thus far. “Hydra” is a personal favorite… Oh, and good to see you again, 'Gator! ---
**Author:** ![SPOOFE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@SPOOFE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SPOOFE)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2001, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-we-call-these-fucking-people/55420/42 "2001-02-22T23:42:35Z")
> [@](#): > > So, you are who decides what facts are valid and invalid? Maybe you should change the username from Satan to God. We don’t need Satan to tell us what facts are valid and invalid. Common sense tells us that. ---
**Author:** ![broccoli](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a183cd/32.png) [@broccoli](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/broccoli)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2001, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-we-call-these-fucking-people/55420/43 "2001-02-23T00:12:56Z")
Well, it never caught on as far as Chris Rock’s new name for white people, but I feel “Yonkaloid” fits the OP perfectly. punk snot dead, broccoli! ---
**Author:** ![Satan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Satan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Satan)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2001, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-we-call-these-fucking-people/55420/44 "2001-02-23T00:48:51Z")
[QUOTE] \*Originally posted by SPOOFE Bo Diddly \* \*\* > [@](#): > > We don’t need Satan to tell us what facts are valid and invalid. Common sense tells us that. \*\* Now, I did a fairly thorough search and couldn’t find a poster named **common sense**. Please tell me this instant exactly what board this person is so I can read his or her pearls of wisdom! ---
**Author:** ![Coldfire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a587f6/32.png) [@Coldfire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coldfire)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2001, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-we-call-these-fucking-people/55420/45 "2001-02-23T02:18:27Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Satan \* > **As for everyone who is saying “they’re not trolls,” I am aware of this. This is exactly why we need to come up with something to call them.** Well, if you _really_ want to get the goat of posters like Phaedrus, JDT, and the like: don’t give them all this attention. If there’s one thing I’ve learned these past few years, it’s that they don’t care **what** you write about them, as long as you do. So honestly, I don’t think “we” ought to come up with a name for them. “We” are better off ignoring them and banning their asses where appropriate. And a troll is a troll. They can be smarter than the average fly-by idiot of the PitMeister variety, but a one-trick-pony poster just fishing for responses is a troll. Period. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2001, 4:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-we-call-these-fucking-people/55420/46 "2001-02-23T04:06:29Z")
I vote for hydra, too. Satan, I’ll mail you that case of Advil as soon as someone proves conclusivly to me that the US Postal system is not an elaborate government hoax. ---
**Author:** ![Satan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Satan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Satan)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2001, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-we-call-these-fucking-people/55420/47 "2001-02-23T04:32:15Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Coldfire \* > > \*\*Well, if you _really_ want to get the goat of posters like Phaedrus, JDT, and the like: don’t give them all this attention. \*\* Coldie, you’re missing the sheer BEAUTY (he says, playing his own advocate) in acting in the manner of a Hydra[sup]1[/sup]! See, they come in and act like they know what’s going on. They complete sentences with minimal grammer and punctuation mistakes. They seem to be aware of vB coding, and that it’s their friend. They might even come off as cordial, playful in fact. They actually look like… _one of us_! There is no lame name copying a reg here… You won’t find these types starting threads in GQ talking about how **Uncle Beer** (to pull a mod I like randomly out of a hat) is a jerk… They don’t tell people to fuck off and die in their third post here… Only after several exchanges does it begin to slowly dawn on us… _ **THEY ARE NOT ONE OF US!** _ They are… Pod People. They duped us into treating them like normal people, so we start having discussions with them. Debates. Generally try and act like everything is cool. And it is civil… for a while… Finally, about a dozen or posts in, the cracks begin to show. But by then, you are already in the process of a discussion with this individual, so when the manipulation, lying, misunderstandings and sudden inability to get a point achnowledged comes around, you’re in too deep to get out. Come on, man, you’re as much a victim of these types as the rest of us! That is why we must come up with a name, and we have to work harder at identifying these folks earlier to avoid the ugliness that was Phaedrus at the end! Socks are called socks for a reason, copycat trolls are called copycat trolls for a reason, and those names didn’t just come with the territory. People had to invent them. Why is this any different? [/quote] _[sup]1[/sup]: We will call them “Hydras” on a tentative probationary period to see how it fits and move on from there. More voting and input is appreciated…_ ---
**Author:** ![KarlGauss](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/karlgauss/32/3713_2.png) [@KarlGauss](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KarlGauss)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2001, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-we-call-these-fucking-people/55420/48 "2001-02-23T04:44:16Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Nacho4Sara \* > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > ## This bullshit quote: > > > > ## He who cannot be named (Begins with a P) > > > > And his name is > > > > \*\*Phaedrus > > > > Phaedrus > > > > Phaedrus\*\* > > I thought it was > > \*\*PerkyDan > > PerkyDan > > PerkyDan\*\* > > \*\* Geez, I thought it was \*\*p…p…peace peace peace\*\* ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2001, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-we-call-these-fucking-people/55420/49 "2001-02-23T05:14:59Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Satan \* > _[sup]1[/sup]: We will call them “Hydras” on a tentative probationary period to see how it fits and move on from there. More voting and input is appreciated…_ May I concur with one proviso? That proviso, of course, being: Let’s use Hydra for the non-religious postings of the phylum of this critter & let’s use Fornographer for the religious postings of the phylum. ---
**Author:** ![aenea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c68b51/32.png) [@aenea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aenea)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2001, 5:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-we-call-these-fucking-people/55420/50 "2001-02-23T05:34:26Z")
I like it! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Bboy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7ea924/32.png) [@Bboy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bboy)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2001, 6:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-we-call-these-fucking-people/55420/51 "2001-02-23T06:24:00Z")
Oh, what the _fuck!_…what’s one more time, then… > [@](#): > > **We don’t need Satan to tell us what facts are valid and invalid. Common sense tells us that.** What is it with you self-proclaimed geniuses, that makes you so ignorant? \*_Facts are valid. -Some facts are just irrelevant._ ---
**Author:** ![SPOOFE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@SPOOFE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SPOOFE)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2001, 9:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-we-call-these-fucking-people/55420/52 "2001-02-23T09:39:26Z")
> [@](#): > > Facts are valid. -Some facts are just irrelevant. You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![sk8rixtx](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/858c86/32.png) [@sk8rixtx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sk8rixtx)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2001, 10:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-we-call-these-fucking-people/55420/53 "2001-02-23T10:19:55Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by RickJay \* > \*\*Well, let’s look at the etymology for “Troll.” > > The word “troll” is neat because it has two completely different but highly appropriate meanings; “Troll” in the sense of trying to catch something - in this case, to try to get people to respond to a dumb message - or “troll” in the sense of a monster that hides in the dark. > > I can’t think of any way to extend the fishing metaphor, but why not some sort of monster with a little bit more brain power? Just thinking about everquest and D&D, you could call them “Orcs.” Or “Goblins.” Or maybe “Gollums,” if you wanted to be a little Tolkienesque. How about “Ogres”? Nah, already has a meaning. “Hobs” as short for “hobgoblin”? \*\* How about a “Snoblin”? Like a Snot Goblin, and/or Snobby Goblin. Yea, I’m a little lame right now. ---
**Author:** ![Diane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/2acd7d/32.png) [@Diane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diane)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2001, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-we-call-these-fucking-people/55420/54 "2001-02-23T15:05:21Z")
> [@](#): > > This is exactly why we need to come up with something to call them. I have read this entire thread and I still don’t see why we need to come up with something to call them. > [@](#): > > Well, if you really want to get the goat of posters like Phaedrus, JDT, and the like: don’t give them all this attention. Amen Coldie! Sure, we get suckered into debates with these idiots. Every once in a while someone comes along who is just too tempting NOT to flame and trash even though we know better. Hell, I’ll even admit that I rather enjoy a good flame fest with these dipshits. I enjoyed the RosieWolf/Idnew fracas so much I would have pulled a boner had I a penis. However, those of us who have been around for a while know the reason these doofs act the way they do. ATTENTION. Give then a title, and just like we have seen with trolls and socks, they will see this as recognition not as defamation. Flame them. Spank them. Ignore them. But don’t validate their existence by awarding them with a title. Besides, as we have seen in the past with accusing someone to be a troll, how long do you think it will be before the Admins and Mods ask us to stop? ---
**Author:** ![Snickers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5daacb/32.png) [@Snickers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snickers)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2001, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-we-call-these-fucking-people/55420/55 "2001-02-23T15:42:25Z")
\ \ Legions of Duh, indeed. Priceless. Chalk up my vote. Snickers ---
**Author:** ![Snickers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5daacb/32.png) [@Snickers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snickers)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2001, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-we-call-these-fucking-people/55420/56 "2001-02-23T15:46:27Z")
\ Oooh, oooo, me, me! To build on the ideas of other, to stand on the shoulders of giants: They shall be named one of the “Clueless Legions of Duh.” Yes, a CLoD. Huzzah! ---
**Author:** ![Lauralee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Lauralee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lauralee)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2001, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-we-call-these-fucking-people/55420/57 "2001-02-23T15:49:52Z")
> [@](#): > > Okay… > > Satan: ‘what do we call these…’ > > waves hands gesturing to a couple… umm… doing the deed… > > Satan: ‘f\*\*\*ing people?’ > > Ummmm… > nymphomaniacs? > sexual addicts? _jaw drops_ **Gator!!** If this is how you’re going to act, exit the Pit now!! _Hehehehehe…_ ---
**Author:** ![Satan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Satan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Satan)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2001, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-we-call-these-fucking-people/55420/58 "2001-02-23T17:25:56Z")
[QUOTE] \*Originally posted by Diane \* \*\* > [@](#): > > I have read this entire thread and I still don’t see why we need to come up with something to call them. \*\* Let’s see about that… > [@](#): > > Amen Coldie! Sure, we get suckered into debates with these _ **idiots** _. Every once in a while someone comes along who is just too tempting NOT to flame and trash even though we know better. Hell, I’ll even admit that I rather enjoy a good flame fest with these _ **dipshits** _. I enjoyed the RosieWolf/Idnew fracas so much I would have pulled a boner had I a penis. > > However, those of us who have been around for a while know the reason these _ **doofs** _ act the way they do. ATTENTION. Give then a title, and just like we have seen with trolls and socks, they will see this as recognition not as defamation. > > Flame them. Spank them. Ignore them. But don’t validate their existence by awarding them with a title.\*\* _[Emphasis above mine]_ It seems to me that you labeled them “idiots,” “dipshits” and “doofs,” Diane. Way to validate their existance! So, pointed and insulting labels are okay, but a thread designed to come up with an amusing little descriptive word (such as “sock puppet,” which I adore in it’s accuracy and simplicity) is not necessary? In any event, the board will take your submissions into consideration before the voting starts, though I must admit that I personally don’t like ANY of the labels you came up with any better than “Hydras” or a few others that came before them. ---
**Author:** ![Diane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/2acd7d/32.png) [@Diane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diane)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2001, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-we-call-these-fucking-people/55420/59 "2001-02-23T18:21:32Z")
> [@](#): > > It seems to me that you labeled them “idiots,” “dipshits” and “doofs,” Diane. Way to validate their existance! Calling random names is a lot different than assigning a single title for a group of people, but I am sure you knew that. There is a difference in calling someone a “dipshit” and giving them a label such as “troll” (or “word-yet-to-be-decided-upon”). Calling them an individual name is personal, give them a label and you imply that they are worthy of enough attention to join the exclusive few “word-yet-to-be-decided-upon” club. Do you not see how giving them this amount of attention is exactly what they look for? Why feed into their game? Who will be in charge of the rule book? Can you call someone this “word-yet-to-be-decided-upon” because they don’t agree with you? Because they have some off the wall beliefs? Because they are obviously mentally ill? Because they are obsessed with foreskin? Because they won’t listen to reason? Because they refuse to stay on topic? Because they are bigots? Because they have a skewed view on poofed hair and perfumed crotches? Because they are simply seeing how much shit they can stir? Why not use some creativity in your insulting names instead of some generic title that will undoubtedly be misused, overused, and ultimately cause problems? If they are an asshole, call them an asshole. If they are unreasonable, call them stupid. If they are idiots, flame them. If they are stirring the shit (trolling) email a mod. To clump them all into one neat and tidy package is only giving them a higher degree of attention, not to mention asking for the same types of problems that stemmed from the freely tossed “troll” accusations in the past. I know that I am not the only one who sees the difference, otherwise the Admins and Mods would have put a stop to all name calling instead of specifically prohibiting calling someone a “troll”. In fact, I’ll remind you of your very recent words. Just substitute the word “troll” with the “word-yet-to-be-decided-upon”. See my point? What you said yesterday in reference to the word “troll”: > [@](#): > > …nor do I play one on TV. But I believe that in the time I was away, public speculation of this kind has become, if not strictly against policy, certainly something the administration here doesn’t take too kindly too. > > I would suggest, black455, that you send an e-mail to the loving mod(s) of your choice with any concerns about other posters here and you might want to ask them to close this thread as well before it gets ugly. [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=61026](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=61026) ---
**Author:** ![SPOOFE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@SPOOFE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SPOOFE)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2001, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-we-call-these-fucking-people/55420/60 "2001-02-23T19:32:47Z")
> [@](#): > > Calling random names is a lot different than assigning a single title for a group of people, but I am sure you knew that. Besides, it seems like my suggestion of “Legions of Duh” (ahem… CLUELESS Legions of Duh) has become the more popular name anyway… and it’s generic enough to not be random, and not specific! And it turns a potato into French Fries in ten seconds! But wait, there’s MORE… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-we-call-these-fucking-people/55420.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-we-call-these-fucking-people/55420.md?page=4)