# What do you believe that you could only say in the Pit? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 27, 2007, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-believe-that-you-could-only-say-in-the-pit/405674 "2007-05-27T02:33:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2007, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-believe-that-you-could-only-say-in-the-pit/405674/61 "2007-05-28T01:52:24Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] …ETA you did use the word “teleological” correctly. [/QUOTE] Is that the kind of logical that makes far away things look closer? ---
**Author:** ![Mbossa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/73ab20/32.png) [@Mbossa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mbossa)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2007, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-believe-that-you-could-only-say-in-the-pit/405674/62 "2007-05-28T02:12:16Z")
[QUOTE=RandMcnally] Eh. I have something in common with an american soldier. A shared culture, upbringing etc. For whatever reason, for right or wrong, _those people_ are trying to kill me, my friends, and my brothers in arms. When it comes down to it, my own are worth more to me than _those people_. [/QUOTE] 😕 Iraqi civilians are trying to kill you? I believe that this kind of attitude (on both sides) is perfect for causing violence to spiral out of control. ---
**Author:** ![Full\_Metal\_Lotus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/df705f/32.png) [@Full\_Metal\_Lotus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Full_Metal_Lotus)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2007, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-believe-that-you-could-only-say-in-the-pit/405674/63 "2007-05-28T02:21:35Z")
the value of one’s vote should be set upon one’s contribution to society. (make millions, but hire thousands, sure, you get 5 votes, served 25 yrs as a college librarian, at low pay =3 votes… served in the military= 1 vote… raped a 7 yr old? MINUS 7 votes, etc. Religious freedom means you get the right to believe as you want, it does NOT mean you get to impose those views on others at any form of tax payer expense (want to have a “voluntary” prayer vigil before a school event… you pay for the lighting, janitorial, real estate costs, etc, BEFOPE you do it… bill each “volunteer” as they enter…) Find a way to make everyone personally responsible… because you are, and so are THEY… Make parenting a priviledge, have a randomly selected jury of potential parents, who want to have kids approve or disaprove of allowing a couple to concieve. Basic question… would you want those people raising kids in your neighbourhood? If people concieve outside of approval, manditory abortion and jail time. Want a pet?.. it has to be spayed/nuetered… otherwise the liscence is $500, and you promise to pay at least $100 for each “baby” pet. Welfare should be a trampoline, not flypaper. Regards’ FML ---
**Author:** ![Yorikke](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yorikke/32/4335_2.png) [@Yorikke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yorikke)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2007, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-believe-that-you-could-only-say-in-the-pit/405674/64 "2007-05-28T02:25:18Z")
Not all human life is sacred. There are people who should be shot in the head and thrown in a ditch. Watch COPS for confirmation. Joe ---
**Author:** ![Grey\_area](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Grey\_area](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grey_area)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2007, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-believe-that-you-could-only-say-in-the-pit/405674/65 "2007-05-28T02:34:05Z")
-The majority of Dopers are cowards and bobbleheads incapable of supporting an unpopular opinion, much less forming their own, and get their jollies from collectively attacking and piling on the designated pariah of the moment. -Being an atheist doesn’t make you better or smarter. Talking about atheism too much only makes you poor company. It’s just as irritating as people who talk about Jesus all the time. No one’s interested in your religious beliefs. You’re making us all look bad by being obnoxious. -Dopers need to learn how to disagree politely without being snarky or condescending. If people acted in real life like the way they do here, they’d get the shit kicked out of them on a daily basis. -If you don’t know what you’re talking about concerning a certain topic other than some gut reaction, keep your mouth shut. (e.g Hip hop is crap) -Finally, just because you can doesn’t mean you should. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2007, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-believe-that-you-could-only-say-in-the-pit/405674/66 "2007-05-28T02:39:29Z")
[QUOTE=elucidator] Is that the kind of logical that makes far away things look closer? [/QUOTE] Different Greek roots. _Tele-_ means “far away.” _Teleo-_ means “end” or “goal.” “Teleology” (or the “Teleological Argument”) refers to the perception of (or argument for) purpose or design in the universe. In other words, it’s a fancy way to talk about ID. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2007, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-believe-that-you-could-only-say-in-the-pit/405674/67 "2007-05-28T02:43:59Z")
[QUOTE=r4nd0mNumb3rs] -The majority of Dopers are cowards and bobbleheads incapable of supporting an unpopular opinion, much less forming their own, and get their jollies from collectively attacking and piling on the designated pariah of the moment. [/quote] > [@r4nd0mNumb3rs](#): > > Dopers need to learn how to disagree politely without being snarky or condescending. I guess philosophical consistency isn’t your strong point. ---
**Author:** ![Lionne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Lionne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lionne)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2007, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-believe-that-you-could-only-say-in-the-pit/405674/68 "2007-05-28T02:46:43Z")
Men just want to fuck you and/or use you. ---
**Author:** ![Yorikke](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yorikke/32/4335_2.png) [@Yorikke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yorikke)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2007, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-believe-that-you-could-only-say-in-the-pit/405674/69 "2007-05-28T02:54:00Z")
[QUOTE=Full Metal Lotus] the value of one’s vote should be set upon one’s contribution to society. (make millions, but hire thousands, sure, you get 5 votes, served 25 yrs as a college librarian, at low pay =3 votes.. served in the military= 1 vote.. raped a 7 yr old? MINUS 7 votes, etc. [/QUOTE] Your ideas intrigue me, and I’d like to subscribe to your newsletter. But seriously, how would we work the minus seven vote thing? Just kill the rapist and we’ll all be happy. Joe ---
**Author:** ![Yorikke](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yorikke/32/4335_2.png) [@Yorikke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yorikke)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2007, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-believe-that-you-could-only-say-in-the-pit/405674/70 "2007-05-28T02:57:05Z")
[QUOTE=LunaV] Men just want to fuck you and/or use you. [/QUOTE] Your teenage boyfriend doesn’t _really_ love you. He loves to ejaculate. Joe ---
**Author:** ![Slithy\_Tove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slithy_tove/32/18248_2.png) [@Slithy\_Tove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slithy_Tove)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2007, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-believe-that-you-could-only-say-in-the-pit/405674/71 "2007-05-28T03:17:03Z")
[QUOTE=wheresgeorge04] Your teenage boyfriend doesn’t _really_ love you. He loves to ejaculate. Joe [/QUOTE] But if he’s willing to ejaculate into you and you alone, isn’t that a realistic standard of love? ---
**Author:** ![Grey\_area](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Grey\_area](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grey_area)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2007, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-believe-that-you-could-only-say-in-the-pit/405674/72 "2007-05-28T03:18:55Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] I guess philosophical consistency isn’t your strong point. [/QUOTE] Heh, who am I disagreeing with? ---
**Author:** ![marshmallow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@marshmallow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marshmallow)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2007, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-believe-that-you-could-only-say-in-the-pit/405674/73 "2007-05-28T03:32:37Z")
Neither major party in the U.S. are representative of the people. Very few decisions made by the government are based on the opinion of the governed. If our democracy is an engine and a well educated and informed citizenry is the fuel, we’re running on fumes. It turns out that, if you wish to go down a major street in an attempt to prove otherwise, most people are actually quite ignorant of the most basic of current issues, the world, science, history, etc. and proud of it. The U.S. is the largest state sponsor of terrorism in the western hemisphere. In my experience, the average woman makes the average man look like a functioning idiot. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2007, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-believe-that-you-could-only-say-in-the-pit/405674/74 "2007-05-28T04:01:45Z")
[QUOTE=Slithy Tove] But if he’s willing to ejaculate into you and you alone, isn’t that a realistic standard of love? [/QUOTE] Into, maybe. Onto… maybe not. ---
**Author:** ![Shamozzle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shamozzle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shamozzle)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2007, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-believe-that-you-could-only-say-in-the-pit/405674/75 "2007-05-28T04:49:58Z")
These have been touched on earlier, but: -Anyone who is religious is either uneducated, delusional, or a liar. -There are free people who do not deserve to draw air. ---
**Author:** ![joyfool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/df788c/32.png) [@joyfool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joyfool)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2007, 5:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-believe-that-you-could-only-say-in-the-pit/405674/76 "2007-05-28T05:03:13Z")
\*People who believe that to “be an adult,” one must behave a certain way. I’m not talking about maturity or responsibility or respect. I mean if you go by a diminutive with a Y at the end rather than, say, Cynthia. That you can no longer have a silly birthday party. Or you shouldn’t favor glitter or neon colors or shades shaped like stars. I’m sorry, as long as you treat the world at large the kindest and most humane way possible, no one should care. Knock yourself out and ride carts through an empty parking lot and eat snow cones. You’re still a grown up. Man, that feels better. ~faithfool, proud owner of a furry son and… I’ll have you know that I’m internally at least eleven!! 😛 I also will occasionally use more than one exclamation mark. ---
**Author:** ![bbs2k](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e495f1/32.png) [@bbs2k](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bbs2k)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2007, 5:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-believe-that-you-could-only-say-in-the-pit/405674/77 "2007-05-28T05:20:47Z")
Everyone knows that the Democrats murdered Terri Schiavo. ---
**Author:** ![Quiddity\_Glomfuster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/c4cdca/32.png) [@Quiddity\_Glomfuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quiddity_Glomfuster)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2007, 5:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-believe-that-you-could-only-say-in-the-pit/405674/78 "2007-05-28T05:26:26Z")
> [@](#): > > Originally Posted by Lord Ashtar > Atheists who think they are smarter than theists suffer from delusions of grandeur. Case in point: > [@](#): > > Originally Posted by Shamozzle > -Anyone who is religious is either uneducated, delusional, or a liar. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2007, 6:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-believe-that-you-could-only-say-in-the-pit/405674/79 "2007-05-28T06:00:46Z")
[QUOTE=faithfool] \*…, proud owner of a furry son… [/QUOTE] My boy’s friends call him “Wookie Foot”. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2007, 7:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-believe-that-you-could-only-say-in-the-pit/405674/80 "2007-05-28T07:01:06Z")
Cripes, is that who I think it is? What is he going to tell us your friends call you? :eek: [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-believe-that-you-could-only-say-in-the-pit/405674.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-believe-that-you-could-only-say-in-the-pit/405674.md?page=5)