# What do you dislike most about your preferred candidate?

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-dislike-most-about-your-preferred-candidate/752793>\
**Category:** Politics & Elections\
**Created:** [April 21, 2016, 6:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-dislike-most-about-your-preferred-candidate/752793 "2016-04-21T06:38:24Z")\
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**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\
**Post date:** [April 21, 2016, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-dislike-most-about-your-preferred-candidate/752793/21 "2016-04-21T17:45:54Z")

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> [@puddleglum](#):
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> I have switched to Cruz now, and I don’t like how he handled the government shutdown a couple years ago. He acted selfishly and put his own needs above that of the party.

With Cruz, it’s interests of Cruz \> interests of Republican Party \> interests of America.

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**Author:** ![Nonsuch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nonsuch/32/2922_2.png) [@Nonsuch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nonsuch)\
**Post date:** [April 21, 2016, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-dislike-most-about-your-preferred-candidate/752793/22 "2016-04-21T17:55:30Z")

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> [@puddleglum](#):
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> I have switched to Cruz now, and I don’t like how he handled the government shutdown a couple years ago. He acted selfishly and put his own needs above that of the party.

Genuinely not trying to be snarky, but I thought this is what people liked about him.

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**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\
**Post date:** [April 21, 2016, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-dislike-most-about-your-preferred-candidate/752793/23 "2016-04-21T18:01:03Z")

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Ted Cruz: His terrible-sounding voice. And stance on illegal immigration.

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**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\
**Post date:** [April 23, 2016, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-dislike-most-about-your-preferred-candidate/752793/24 "2016-04-23T00:05:33Z")

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> [@BobLibDem](#):
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> To be fair, private sector experience is utterly worthless when running a government.

Depends on the experience and what lessons were learned. ALl experience is worthless in certain contexts. And all experience is valuable in certain contexts, even if it seems unrelated.

George McGovern learned some new things when he went into the private sector, and probably would have been a very different Senator had he knew then what he knows now.

But the real issue with a career politicians is that they’ve spent their entire careers in a situation where accountability can be avoided if one is skillful enough. Proven success in the private sector(and it’s not about how much money you made or how high up you got), shows that someone has been able to succeed in an environment where they were held accountable for failure. It’s kinda like a character issue. It tells you something about your candidate’s character. Why did he avoid any situation where he could have been held accountable?

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**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\
**Post date:** [April 23, 2016, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-dislike-most-about-your-preferred-candidate/752793/25 "2016-04-23T00:09:40Z")

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> [@Dangerosa](#):
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> Hillary comes off as unlikeable. Its a problem that women have, and I disklike myself for disliking her, but I do.

No, it’s a problem fake women have. Plenty of likeable women in politics.

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> I know a woman who actually knows her (as in, has had meals with her, has sat next to in conferences, can get Hillary to take her phone calls - my friend is a reproductive rights mover and shaker at a national level), and says she is really different in person on an intimate level.

That’s what I’ve read all over. She inspires real loyalty in the people she’s close to. The issue is that she’s a very private person running for a very public office. She wants to have it both ways, be President yet not have her private life and her real self all out there for everyone to see. She will not get everything she wants.

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**Author:** ![Arcite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/67e7ee/32.png) [@Arcite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Arcite)\
**Post date:** [April 23, 2016, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-dislike-most-about-your-preferred-candidate/752793/26 "2016-04-23T00:20:24Z")

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Donald Trump: doesn’t want to permanently ban all Muslim immigration, nor curtail legal immigration.

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**Author:** ![panache45](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/panache45/32/64_2.png) [@panache45](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panache45)\
**Post date:** [April 23, 2016, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-dislike-most-about-your-preferred-candidate/752793/27 "2016-04-23T00:55:57Z")

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> [@Arcite](#):
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> Donald Trump: doesn’t want to permanently ban all Muslim immigration, nor curtail legal immigration.

That’s what you dislike most about him? So you’re in favor of permanently banning all Muslim immigration and curtailing legal immigration?

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**Author:** ![Dangerosa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Dangerosa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dangerosa)\
**Post date:** [April 23, 2016, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-dislike-most-about-your-preferred-candidate/752793/28 "2016-04-23T03:44:14Z")

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> [@adaher](#):
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> No, it’s a problem fake women have. Plenty of likeable women in politics.

Not many. Women who are powerful are shrill. Unpleasant. Bitches. Carly Fiorina - bitch. Nancy Pelosi, not well liked. Sarah Palin, bitch and crazy.

I am so glad to be out of corporate America where my choices were Bitch or effective. It isn’t really an insult, its a commentary on how we see women. As I said, not fond of myself for finding her unlikeable.

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**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\
**Post date:** [April 23, 2016, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-dislike-most-about-your-preferred-candidate/752793/29 "2016-04-23T03:59:59Z")

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> [@Dangerosa](#):
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> Not many. Women who are powerful are shrill. Unpleasant. Bitches. Carly Fiorina - bitch. Nancy Pelosi, not well liked. Sarah Palin, bitch and crazy.

But Sarah Palin _is_ a bitch and crazy. Eh maybe not so much crazy as ignorant. I can’t decide. 😃

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**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\
**Post date:** [April 23, 2016, 4:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-dislike-most-about-your-preferred-candidate/752793/30 "2016-04-23T04:58:57Z")

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> [@Dangerosa](#):
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> Not many. Women who are powerful are shrill. Unpleasant. Bitches. Carly Fiorina - bitch. Nancy Pelosi, not well liked. Sarah Palin, bitch and crazy.

I don’t find Fiorina unlikeable, she just has a crappy record. Pelosi is clueless, but not unlikeable. Palin is extra clueless, and also not unlikeable.

But there’s also Kelly Ayotte, Liz Warren, Nikki Haley… Clinton’s problem is that she’s entitled, fake, and overly ambitious. She’s felt that the White House has been her due ever since she last left it. THat’s why she’s unlikeable.

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**Author:** ![Dangerosa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Dangerosa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dangerosa)\
**Post date:** [April 23, 2016, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-dislike-most-about-your-preferred-candidate/752793/31 "2016-04-23T16:14:32Z")

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See, I don’t agree with you. I’ve never found Fiorina likeable - even when she was one of the few visible women in IT - a field I was in. I can find lots of references to Pelosi and Palin as unlikeable.

You may find Hillary less likeable than the others, but many people don’t find power in women a likeable quality.

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**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\
**Post date:** [April 23, 2016, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-dislike-most-about-your-preferred-candidate/752793/32 "2016-04-23T20:03:45Z")

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> [@adaher](#):
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> No, it’s a problem fake women have. Plenty of likeable women in politics.  
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Name three.

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**Author:** ![panache45](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/panache45/32/64_2.png) [@panache45](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panache45)\
**Post date:** [April 24, 2016, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-dislike-most-about-your-preferred-candidate/752793/33 "2016-04-24T00:48:28Z")

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Or three likeable men, for that matter.

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**Author:** ![Dangerosa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Dangerosa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dangerosa)\
**Post date:** [April 24, 2016, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-dislike-most-about-your-preferred-candidate/752793/34 "2016-04-24T01:20:36Z")

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> [@panache45](#):
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> Or three likeable men, for that matter.

Likeable men is easy - George Bush and Bill Clinton - both seem like great guys to go grab a beer with. I might not talk politics with Bush, and I might end up slapping Bill if he got handsy - but they both come across as likeable. Obama also seems likeable. Jeb is a bit of a policy wonk and maybe boring - also Al Gore, but not unlikeable. Corey Booker is a freakin superhero of charisma and likeability.

Cruz is unlikeable - I think even his mother thinks he isn’t likable.

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**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\
**Post date:** [April 24, 2016, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-dislike-most-about-your-preferred-candidate/752793/35 "2016-04-24T01:57:46Z")

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> [@Velocity](#):
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> Ted Cruz: His terrible-sounding voice. And stance on illegal immigration.

Tell me about it (the voice thing). Clinton and Trump’s voices bug me too. Whether the general ends up as Hillary vs. Trump or vs. Cruz, if I feel the need to access one of their speeches, I’ll just read the transcript.

As for actual, substantive policy issues, I’m not entirely over the moon about Hillary’s (IMO) excessive hawkishness, but the guys on the opposing side are likely to be worse…

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**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\
**Post date:** [April 24, 2016, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-dislike-most-about-your-preferred-candidate/752793/36 "2016-04-24T02:56:42Z")

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> [@jsgoddess](#):
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> Her husband.

I’d say that too, but only because of the appearance that Hillary started out, in politics, on second or third base, due to something close to nepotism.

It would make me be a bit prouder, as an American, if our first woman president didn’t have a close male relative who had been president.

As for the Bush precedent, yes, that’s true.

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**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\
**Post date:** [April 24, 2016, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-dislike-most-about-your-preferred-candidate/752793/37 "2016-04-24T04:14:45Z")

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“Fake woman”?

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**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\
**Post date:** [April 24, 2016, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-dislike-most-about-your-preferred-candidate/752793/38 "2016-04-24T04:46:06Z")

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> [@DrDeth](#):
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> Name three.

Kelly Ayotte, Liz Warren, Kristen Gillibrand, Nikki Haley, Susana Martinez.

I do agree that it’s harder for women to be likeable because women with power don’t tend to be viewed positively, but that’s not really Clinton’s problem. Clinton’s problem is dishonesty and fakery.

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**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\
**Post date:** [April 24, 2016, 4:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-dislike-most-about-your-preferred-candidate/752793/39 "2016-04-24T04:48:19Z")

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> [@Dangerosa](#):
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> See, I don’t agree with you. I’ve never found Fiorina likeable - even when she was one of the few visible women in IT - a field I was in. I can find lots of references to Pelosi and Palin as unlikeable.
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> You may find Hillary less likeable than the others, but many people don’t find power in women a likeable quality.

Fiorina isn’t likeable, but I don’t think her personality is unlikeable either. It’s the things she’s done that make her unlikeable. I agree that Palin and Pelosi have tons of people who don’t like them, but it’s not a personality issue in either case. They just take stances that make a lot of political enemies. Both are very proud to be at the ideological extremes of their parties and enjoy pushing the buttons of those on the other side. I think that Sarah Palin is loopy as hell, but I dig her as a person.

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**Post date:** [April 24, 2016, 5:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-dislike-most-about-your-preferred-candidate/752793/40 "2016-04-24T05:28:00Z")

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Not sure where to go with this, but. Who are the Fake Men?

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