# What Do You Like That You're Not Supposed To? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 14, 2020, 6:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-like-that-youre-not-supposed-to/855649 "2020-06-14T06:04:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![bump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7c8e57/32.png) [@bump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bump)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2020, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-like-that-youre-not-supposed-to/855649/201 "2020-07-23T19:08:01Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > Sounds like something I’d order at a tiki bar about 7 drinks in. 7 tiki drinks? Beyond being fruity, they also have a well deserved reputation for having fearsome amounts of alcohol. The “3 dots and a Dash” that I mentioned is on the weak side relative to a lot of them. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2020, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-like-that-youre-not-supposed-to/855649/202 "2020-07-23T20:22:43Z")
To quote someone unknown somewhere, patting their stomach: “Thank God for _capacity_.” ---
**Author:** ![Treppenwitz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/treppenwitz/32/3445_2.png) [@Treppenwitz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Treppenwitz)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2020, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-like-that-youre-not-supposed-to/855649/203 "2020-07-24T20:55:50Z")
I just remembered something else from my Cumbrian past. Pattie and chips. I knew a pattie as several slices of potato, flavoured in some unidentifiable way and stuck together, coated in batter and deep fried - so “pattie and chips” was deep fried potato in batter with chips (french fried potatoes). Wikipedia offers [a slightly different definition](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savoury_pattie) but it’s no healthier. You would eat this when wasted on a Friday night - the only time I have ever eaten it. That wiki pages has a link to a [list of deep fried foods](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_deep_fried_foods), which in turn led me to another dreadful food item from my past - [scraps](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scraps_(batter)). Basically, every so often through the course of a night, a chippie would rake out the fish frier in order to fish out (no pun intended) all the fragments of batter that had accumulated in the fat. You might _think_ that these would be thrown away - maybe they are these days - but when I was a kid you could buy a bag of these. Dear god, the rubbish we used to eat. j ---
**Author:** ![WolfpackJeep](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpackjeep/32/2921_2.png) [@WolfpackJeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WolfpackJeep)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2020, 9:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-like-that-youre-not-supposed-to/855649/204 "2020-07-25T09:52:26Z")
> [@Treppenwitz](#): > > That wiki pages has a link to a [list of deep fried foods](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_deep_fried_foods), which in turn led me to another dreadful food item from my past - [scraps](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scraps_(batter)). This made its way into the recently ended cartoon _Steven Universe_…the title character will often go to a fast food joint on the local boardwalk and demand “the bits,” which turns out to be the leftover pieces of fries and batter from the frier. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2020, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-like-that-youre-not-supposed-to/855649/205 "2020-07-25T17:20:42Z")
> [@WolfpackJeep](#): > > > [@Treppenwitz](#): > > > > That wiki pages has a link to a [list of deep fried foods](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_deep_fried_foods), which in turn led me to another dreadful food item from my past - [scraps](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scraps_(batter)). > > This made its way into the recently ended cartoon _Steven Universe_…the title character will often go to a fast food joint on the local boardwalk and demand “the bits,” which turns out to be the leftover pieces of fries and batter from the fryer. I used to walk across the street to the H. Salt Fish and Chips after school (sixth grade – 52 years ago) and mooch a bag of those once in a while. ---
**Author:** ![RivkahChaya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rivkahchaya/32/8919_2.png) [@RivkahChaya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RivkahChaya)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2020, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-like-that-youre-not-supposed-to/855649/206 "2020-08-30T20:25:13Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > I’ve never heard of unfrosted Pop Tarts and when I checked the website yesterday, I didn’t see any. Was this a product back when you were a kid? My mother kept a kosher kitchen, and even though no kind of Pop-Tarts are kosher, so we were not allowed to put them in the toaster, she occasionally bought the unfrosted ones for us. The frosted ones have gelatin in the icing, and that makes them extremely treyf. The truth is, if you get down to it, something is either kosher, or it isn’t, and the unfrosted ones aren’t kosher, but we were still allowed to have them on Sunday, occasionally, if we used a paper towel (not a plate). Somehow, to my mother, they were _less_ unkosher. My mother didn’t really care about kashrut-- we ate at non-kosher restaurants all the time-- but she kept a kosher kitchen, because there were so many relatives who wouldn’t eat at our house if she didn’t. This makes me think that there probably is a vegetarian market for the unfrosted ones. ---
**Author:** ![pkbites](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pkbites/32/204_2.png) [@pkbites](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pkbites)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2020, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-like-that-youre-not-supposed-to/855649/207 "2020-08-30T21:15:42Z")
Does it have to be food? I actually liked the A Team TV show. Nobody I knew cared for it. ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2020, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-like-that-youre-not-supposed-to/855649/208 "2020-08-30T21:19:36Z")
I pity the fool who liked that show! ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2020, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-like-that-youre-not-supposed-to/855649/209 "2020-08-30T21:27:13Z")
> [@RivkahChaya](#): > > > [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > > > I’ve never heard of unfrosted Pop Tarts and when I checked the website yesterday, I didn’t see any. Was this a product back when you were a kid? > > My mother kept a kosher kitchen, and even though no kind of Pop-Tarts are kosher, so we were not allowed to put them in the toaster, she occasionally bought the unfrosted ones for us. The frosted ones have gelatin in the icing, and that makes them extremely treyf. > > The truth is, if you get down to it, something is either kosher, or it isn’t, and the unfrosted ones aren’t kosher, but we were still allowed to have them on Sunday, occasionally, if we used a paper towel (not a plate). Somehow, to my mother, they were _less_ unkosher. > > My mother didn’t really care about kashrut-- we ate at non-kosher restaurants all the time-- but she kept a kosher kitchen, because there were so many relatives who wouldn’t eat at our house if she didn’t. > > This makes me think that there probably is a vegetarian market for the unfrosted ones. Is there an ingredient in unfrosted Pop-Tarts that makes them unkosher? ---
**Author:** ![RivkahChaya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rivkahchaya/32/8919_2.png) [@RivkahChaya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RivkahChaya)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2020, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-like-that-youre-not-supposed-to/855649/210 "2020-08-30T22:28:25Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Is there an ingredient in unfrosted Pop-Tarts that makes them unkosher? Well, if the Pop-Tart kitchen were inspected and carried a heksher, and all the machinery were separate, they could use the heksher on the unfrosted ones, but not of the frosted ones because of the gelatin in the frosting. However, as they don’t carry a heksher, they are not kosher. My mother is like a lot of American Jews. She’ll go to a non-kosher restaurant, and order chicken or beef, or things with cheese, but she won’t order pork or shellfish, and won’t mix dairy and meat, and think this is some kind of lower order of keeping kosher. The fact is, that there aren’t degrees of kosher. Something is either kosher or it isn’t. Beef that isn’t shechted (slaughter and butchered by a shochet) is just as treyf as pork or lobster. But there are so many Jews in the US for whom there is a difference. They know beef butchered by a gentile isn’t kosher, but somehow, to them, it is less unkosher than pork or lobster. By the same token, packaged food that is not hekshered, but according to the list of ingredients, contains nothing specifically objectionable in and of itself, is less unkosher than something treyf by ingredient. So, for example, cheese that is not hekshered, but does not list rennet as an ingredient-- or better, says “NO RENNET” on the label, but is not hekshered, is less treyf than cheese with rennet. It’s hard to blame people. Well, my mother lived most of her life in NYC, and had plenty of access to kosher anything, so her, I can blame. But people who live in Bloomington, Indiana, where the nearest shochet is in Chicago, it’s harder to fault. Personally, I’ve been a vegetarian pretty much my whole adult life (since I was 19, with the exception of a few instances of eating meat in the military when we had field chow, because there were no choices, and I was burning 4,000 calories on those days), so I don’t have too many issues, albeit, getting kosher cheese can be difficult, but I don’t eat that much cheese. Eggs and milk that are hekshered are easy, and I don’t keep cholov Yisrael. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2020, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-like-that-youre-not-supposed-to/855649/211 "2020-08-30T22:48:58Z")
Without divulging too much information, I’ll just say that there is a lot of it on the internet. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2020, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-like-that-youre-not-supposed-to/855649/212 "2020-08-30T23:12:21Z")
> [@RivkahChaya](#): > > > [@kaylasdad99](#): > > > > Is there an ingredient in unfrosted Pop-Tarts that makes them unkosher? > > Well, if the Pop-Tart kitchen were inspected and carried a heksher, and all the machinery were separate, they could use the heksher on the unfrosted ones, but not of the frosted ones because of the gelatin in the frosting. However, as they don’t carry a heksher, they are not kosher. Ah. I supposed it might be something along those lines. I noticed that Kellogg’s pop tarts are processed and packaged in a different state than their cereals are, so it’s not that surprising that the hekshers for the cereal plants don’t visit. ---
**Author:** ![RivkahChaya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rivkahchaya/32/8919_2.png) [@RivkahChaya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RivkahChaya)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2020, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-like-that-youre-not-supposed-to/855649/213 "2020-08-30T23:16:05Z")
Well, and it also may be that the unfrosted ones are made on the same machinery and baked in the same ovens as the frosted ones. If only a small portion of them were kosher, you’d need separate facilities for the kosher ones. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2020, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-like-that-youre-not-supposed-to/855649/214 "2020-08-30T23:23:02Z")
That might be an unjustifiable expense for them (three unfrosted varieties out of thirty). ---
**Author:** ![pkbites](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pkbites/32/204_2.png) [@pkbites](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pkbites)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2020, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-like-that-youre-not-supposed-to/855649/215 "2020-08-30T23:46:04Z")
> [@Gatopescado](#): > > Without divulging too much information, I’ll just say that there is a lot of it on the internet. Ha! Thread winner! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Wheelz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wheelz/32/5718_2.png) [@Wheelz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wheelz)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2020, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-like-that-youre-not-supposed-to/855649/216 "2020-08-30T23:50:19Z")
@RivkahChaya, I’d love to see an AMA type thread about keeping kosher. (If you want to, of course.) I find the whole concept fascinating and - no offense intended - really weird. ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2020, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-like-that-youre-not-supposed-to/855649/217 "2020-08-31T15:06:09Z")
> [@Gatopescado](#): > > Without divulging too much information, I’ll just say that there is a lot of it on the internet. It’s OK to be a dog person but still like cute cat pictures! ---
**Author:** ![WOOKINPANUBv.2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wookinpanubv.2/32/3260_2.png) [@WOOKINPANUBv.2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WOOKINPANUBv.2)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2020, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-like-that-youre-not-supposed-to/855649/218 "2020-08-31T15:42:32Z")
Yacht Rock. I find it soothing and a lot of very good music in its own right. Dr. Phil. His “good ol’ boyisms” aside, his advice is basically spot on, imo. I generally tune out once he gets to the part where he’s recommending a facility - that’s just basically a plug - but I’ve found a lot of what he say’s thoughtful and helpful. ---
**Author:** ![aruvqan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aruvqan/32/2891_2.png) [@aruvqan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aruvqan)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2020, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-like-that-youre-not-supposed-to/855649/219 "2020-08-31T17:06:07Z")
> [@RivkahChaya](#): > > Well, and it also may be that the unfrosted ones are made on the same machinery and baked in the same ovens as the frosted ones. If only a small portion of them were kosher, you’d need separate facilities for the kosher ones. The frosting line is after the baking line, so unfrosted would not come in contact with the frosting in any case. The only quibble would be the packaging line, but since the inside of the packaging is not touched by anything except the finished pastry, it should be fine [the mylar wrapping comes as a tube on a roll, the pastries are sort of inserted and the crimper crimps and cuts the wrapper with a hot element without touching the pastry.] ---
**Author:** ![Dogginit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dogginit/32/16920_2.png) [@Dogginit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dogginit)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2020, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-like-that-youre-not-supposed-to/855649/220 "2020-10-15T20:25:47Z")
> [@purplehorseshoe](#): > > My goodness, there’s a lotta hate for prewrapped Kraft singles. > > I have a batch in the fridge. Ostensibly, it’s because that makes the best grilled cheese on white bread, but I’ll confess to occasionally just … eating a slice. I keep Velveeta for the same purpose myself…grilled cheese sandwiches with Miracle Whip as a dip for them. Who wants to live so long anyhow? 😉 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-like-that-youre-not-supposed-to/855649.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-like-that-youre-not-supposed-to/855649.md?page=12)