# What do you think about OBBBA? \[One Big Beautiful Bill Act\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [July 2, 2025, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-think-about-obbba-one-big-beautiful-bill-act/1020399 "2025-07-02T13:36:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Ellecram](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellecram/32/18948_2.png) [@Ellecram](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ellecram)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2025, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-think-about-obbba-one-big-beautiful-bill-act/1020399/181 "2025-07-04T18:03:29Z")
> [@Dr.Drake](#): > > Our jurisdiction (BC, Canada) has a similar law. Different country, but both based on English common law. Interesting. Are they enforced? ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2025, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-think-about-obbba-one-big-beautiful-bill-act/1020399/182 "2025-07-04T18:13:01Z")
> [@Ellecram](#): > > Filial laws require the children of indigent parents to pay for nursing home and medical costs. This is somewhat different, but many/most people don’t realize that after a Medicaid recipient dies, Medicaid claws back what it’s paid out from what may be left in their estate (although if there’s a surviving spouse, Medicaid has to wait until they die). Amounts and conditions vary by state. In some states, they can collect from a surviving spouse’s estate after they die, too. I wonder how these programs will be affected. I’d imagine they’ll become more aggressive and inclusive in the poorer states. > **[Medicaid Estate Recovery: How it Works](https://www.medicaidlongtermcare.org/protection/estate-recovery-program/)** > > How the Medicaid Estate Recovery Program works, when it is relevant and what can be done to protect a home and the family members that live it in. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2025, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-think-about-obbba-one-big-beautiful-bill-act/1020399/183 "2025-07-04T18:14:04Z")
> [@DavidNRockies](#): > > Also, aren’t the taxes on SSA income actually funneled back into the SS Trust Fund? Doesn’t reducing those receipts – to the extent this bill/law actually does that – simply accelerate the insolvency of the SS Trust Fund? Sure it does, but that’s a feature, not a bug. In keeping with everything else about this bill, which seeks to destroy American society and is most detrimental to the most needy, the insolvency of Social Security will help Make America Great Again. Not exactly sure how, but I’m sure Project 2025 has it all figured out. Probably involves privatizing Social Security into a profit-making enterprise owned by a consortium of billionaires. ---
**Author:** ![Ellecram](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellecram/32/18948_2.png) [@Ellecram](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ellecram)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2025, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-think-about-obbba-one-big-beautiful-bill-act/1020399/184 "2025-07-04T18:18:54Z")
> [@needscoffee](#): > > > [@Ellecram](#): > > > > Filial laws require the children of indigent parents to pay for nursing home and medical costs. > > This is somewhat different, but many/most people don’t realize that after a Medicaid recipient dies, Medicaid claws back what it’s paid out from what may be left in their estate (although if there’s a surviving spouse, Medicaid has to wait until they die). Amounts and conditions vary by state. In some states, they can collect from a surviving spouse’s estate after they die, too. > > I wonder how these programs will be affected. I’d imagine they’ll become more aggressive and inclusive in the poorer states. > [Medicaid Estate Recovery: How it Works](https://www.medicaidlongtermcare.org/protection/estate-recovery-program/). People need to pay close attention to this. I have no idea how it will all work out. I am just happy I have no parents and no children left. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Dr.Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Drake)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2025, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-think-about-obbba-one-big-beautiful-bill-act/1020399/185 "2025-07-04T19:11:15Z")
I don’t know. I learned about when talking to someone semi-official about my mother, but I can’t remember who. That person seemed to feel that it was enforceable. Cite 1: [Parental Support Obligation in Section 90 of the Family Relations Act - British Columbia Law Institute](https://www.bcli.org/project/parental-support-obligation-section-90-family-relations-act/) Cite 2: [Family Relations Act](https://www.bclaws.gov.bc.ca/civix/document/id/consol22/consol22/00_96128_01#section90) ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2025, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-think-about-obbba-one-big-beautiful-bill-act/1020399/186 "2025-07-05T00:02:28Z")
Some folk were over today, and they commented that even tho we never expect to personally be on Medicaid, we will end up paying higher insurance premiums to cover the increased costs of newly uninsured folk incurring higher costs seeking treatment in emergency rooms. Seemed like a plausible result. ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Paprika](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr_paprika/32/3042_2.png) [@Dr\_Paprika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr_Paprika)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2025, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-think-about-obbba-one-big-beautiful-bill-act/1020399/187 "2025-07-05T01:39:54Z")
Maybe this is not the thread for discussing the limitations of Dems public relations. One of the best weapons against authoritarianism has always been laughter. Walz had some traction with simply calling Trump “weird”, although this was not high comedy and the traction proved ephemeral. The Dems had more effective comedy with Al Franken. He wrote books like _Liars_ that skewed Republicans of the time. He was cashiered for reasons that seem somewhat quaint. (It was unwise to go on a USO tour and take pictures of Sleeping Beauty, but it is not nearly equivalent to grabbing pussy and the Reps would have reacted differently. If I remember the story correctly). The Dems coulda used him later. Of course Colbert and Stewart were adept at skewering the Reps, but arguably took somewhat less of an interest in the recent election. ---
**Author:** ![Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spectre_of_pithecanthropus/32/12343_2.png) [@Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spectre_of_Pithecanthropus)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2025, 7:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-think-about-obbba-one-big-beautiful-bill-act/1020399/188 "2025-07-06T07:54:56Z")
> [@Dinsdale](#): > > ANY TIME someone complains about some federal program they want having been cut or being denied some government service, I wish the FIRST question they are asked is, “Who did you vote for in 2024”? And the disdain should be only slightly less if they did not vote at all. No, if they didn’t vote at all, or voted third party, the disdain should be much greater. If they realized the danger of Trump and his movement they should have understood that there was only one way to vote that would help to stop him. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2025, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-think-about-obbba-one-big-beautiful-bill-act/1020399/189 "2025-07-06T16:30:18Z")
Then there are the geniuses who didn’t vote because the Democrats are not liberal enough. Oh, you think Kamala wasn’t supportive enough of Gazans, so you didn’t vote? You think this is better? ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2025, 8:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-think-about-obbba-one-big-beautiful-bill-act/1020399/190 "2025-07-07T08:05:05Z")
> [@MrAtoz](#): > > I’ve seen ads on Facebook, directed at “Hoosiers” (that means people living in Indiana), talking about how the Bill will cost thousands of jobs, cause people to lose their healthcare, raise prices, stuff like that. I don’t know whether this is a state thing, or a national thing, but there are certainly people trying to publicize it. Glad to hear someone is trying to publicise it. > [@MrAtoz](#): > > Now, faced with the prospect of losing that Medicaid coverage, does she regret her vote? Not in the least, because damn it, Trump is right, the government needs to cut all that waste and fraud! So she is not going to “whine” about the government not “taking care” of her anymore. She’s just going to have to tighten her belt and figure out to pay for her own healthcare. > > I am not optimistic about her chances. 😬 I guess hard core MAGA aren’t likely to change their minds, but that’s only half of Republicans, and there are also low-information voters who aren’t loyal to one party. ---
**Author:** ![DCTrekkie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dctrekkie/32/18862_2.png) [@DCTrekkie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DCTrekkie)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2025, 11:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-think-about-obbba-one-big-beautiful-bill-act/1020399/191 "2025-07-07T11:07:18Z")
Why was supporting the genocide in Gaza more important to Kamala (and Biden) than stopping Trump? You can’t give people an option of genocide or genocide, then get pissy when they choose neither. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Dr.Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Drake)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2025, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-think-about-obbba-one-big-beautiful-bill-act/1020399/192 "2025-07-07T14:48:27Z")
But they didn’t choose “neither,” as the genocide is happening regardless, and it’s being enabled by the guy who won the election. Non-voters don’t have any moral superiority for enabling this version of genocide as opposed to the other. ---
**Author:** ![DCTrekkie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dctrekkie/32/18862_2.png) [@DCTrekkie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DCTrekkie)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2025, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-think-about-obbba-one-big-beautiful-bill-act/1020399/193 "2025-07-07T15:14:20Z")
It would have continued under either candidate, so they took the only option that didnt actively support genocide, not voting. If anyone is to blame its the democrats for not offering an anti-genocide candidate (something that should be a given, but apparently not). ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2025, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-think-about-obbba-one-big-beautiful-bill-act/1020399/194 "2025-07-07T15:20:17Z")
> [@MrAtoz](#): > > I’ve seen ads on Facebook, directed at “Hoosiers” (that means people living in Indiana), talking about how the Bill will cost thousands of jobs, cause people to lose their healthcare, raise prices, stuff like that. I don’t know whether this is a state thing, or a national thing, but there are certainly people trying to publicize it. > > I have my doubts about how effective it will be, though. I don’t, since the bill has already passed both the Senate and House, so the only real point of publicizing how horrible it is might at best be an effect on the midterms. Some of the worst of the social spending cuts like Medicaid don’t take effect until after the midterms, but it might be helpful to let voters know what’s coming and what spineless self-serving jackasses they have representing them in Congress. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2025, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-think-about-obbba-one-big-beautiful-bill-act/1020399/195 "2025-07-07T15:22:51Z")
If anyone is to blame it is every single person that used this _possible_ similarity as a blatant excuse to ignore every other crappy thing that Trump stood for and vote for him. This piss-poor excuse _does not stand, period._ ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Dr.Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Drake)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2025, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-think-about-obbba-one-big-beautiful-bill-act/1020399/196 "2025-07-07T15:23:20Z")
But it DOES actively support genocide, since it doesn’t stop or change it. At least, if you believe that something happening in another country is America’s doing and that we are all complicit. Opting out doesn’t stop evil. It enables evil. The moral position was “vote Harris, lobby your rep. about Gaza, donate to humantiarian aid groups.” ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2025, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-think-about-obbba-one-big-beautiful-bill-act/1020399/197 "2025-07-07T15:30:09Z")
That fact is that far too many Republicans kept pointing this out while claiming to be neutral (or even Democratic) in an attempt to discourage others from voting. “You shouldn’t bother voting for this bullshit reason, because _I’m_ not going to vote for the same reason. _Trust me_.” ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2025, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-think-about-obbba-one-big-beautiful-bill-act/1020399/198 "2025-07-07T15:49:44Z")
Moderating: > [@Dr\_Paprika](#): > > Maybe this is not the thread for discussing the limitations of Dems public relations. > [@Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](#): > > No, if they didn’t vote at all, or voted third party, the disdain should be much greater. If they realized the danger of Trump and his movement they should have understood that there was only one way to vote that would help to stop him. > [@Spice\_Weasel](#): > > Then there are the geniuses who didn’t vote because the Democrats are not liberal enough. Oh, you think Kamala wasn’t supportive enough of Gazans, so you didn’t vote? You think this is better? > [@DemonTree](#): > > I guess hard core MAGA aren’t likely to change their minds, but that’s only half of Republicans, and there are also low-information voters who aren’t loyal to one party. > [@DCTrekkie](#): > > Why was supporting the genocide in Gaza more important to Kamala (and Biden) than stopping Trump? > [@Dr.Drake](#): > > But they didn’t choose “neither,” as the genocide is happening regardless, and it’s being enabled by the guy who won the election. Non-voters don’t have any moral superiority for enabling this version of genocide as opposed to the other. > [@DCTrekkie](#): > > It would have continued under either candidate, so they took the only option that didnt actively support genocide, not voting. If anyone is to blame its the democrats for not offering an anti-genocide candidate (something that should be a given, but apparently not). > [@Czarcasm](#): > > If anyone is to blame it is every single person that used this _possible_ similarity as a blatant excuse to ignore every other crappy thing that Trump stood for and vote for him. This piss-poor excuse _does not stand, period._ > [@Dr.Drake](#): > > But it DOES actively support genocide, since it doesn’t stop or change it. At least, if you believe that something happening in another country is America’s doing and that we are all complicit. > [@Czarcasm](#): > > That fact is that far too many Republicans kept pointing this out while claiming to be neutral (or even Democratic) in an attempt to discourage others from voting. To all who are discussing the ramifications of how people voted in the last election or may vote in future elections, rather than what is in the OBBBA, you’re off topic and need to take your continued discussions elsewhere. There are plenty of threads in which to continue to litigate the consequences of how people voted in 2024. Or start a new discussion. Let’s keep this thread on track, please. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2025, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-think-about-obbba-one-big-beautiful-bill-act/1020399/199 "2025-07-08T15:12:17Z")
> [@Dr\_Paprika](#): > > The Dems had more effective comedy with Al Franken. He wrote books like _Liars_ that skewed Republicans of the time. He was cashiered for reasons that seem somewhat quaint. (It was unwise to go on a USO tour and take pictures of Sleeping Beauty, but it is not nearly equivalent to grabbing pussy and the Reps would have reacted differently. If I remember the story correctly). Franken was accused of groping and inappropriate kissing by about ten different women, almost all of them Democrat-affiliated in some way. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2025, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-think-about-obbba-one-big-beautiful-bill-act/1020399/200 "2025-07-08T21:40:44Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > > [@Sherrerd](#): > > > > Trump’s exciting new Private Police Force budget is larger than the military expenditures, in total, of practically every nation (not China). > > I’ve pointed this fact out, elsewhere. First, you’re increasing the size of the Federal government, and second, you’re creating a police state that the individual states would be overwhelmed by. That’s why we passed the Posse Comitatus Act, at the behest of the States’ Rights movement. Indeed. As awful as the “throw people off health care” and “super-charge the debt by giving billionaires tax breaks” and “make sure kids from many families go hungry” provisions are—and they are VERY awful—it’s possible that the one provision that will contribute most to human misery will be the Expand Donald’s Private Police Force (ICE) one. Those not burying their heads in the sand know that Donald is going to be making a _lot_ of use of his shiny new toy. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-think-about-obbba-one-big-beautiful-bill-act/1020399.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-think-about-obbba-one-big-beautiful-bill-act/1020399.md?page=11)