# What do you think about recording sex sessions? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [January 14, 2011, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-think-about-recording-sex-sessions/567602 "2011-01-14T15:13:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a9a28c/32.png) [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pseudotriton_ruber_ruber)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-think-about-recording-sex-sessions/567602/21 "2011-01-15T02:21:40Z")
> [@Tom\_Tildrum](#): > > Maybe it’s the lawyer in me, but my preference is to station a court reporter in the closet. And tell that lawyer in you to remove himself immediately, at least until you can record him entering you, and exactly how he gained entry, with what consent, etc. ---
**Author:** ![Rachellelogram](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rachellelogram/32/8689_2.png) [@Rachellelogram](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rachellelogram)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-think-about-recording-sex-sessions/567602/22 "2011-01-15T02:32:52Z")
Without reading any other posts first: It’s highly slimy and unethical, for one. In many states (including mine), it’s illegal to record someone’s voice without their consent. I assume (but IANAL) that it is illegal to record video of someone naked without their consent here, if not everywhere. If it’s not, it should be. Therefore, I do not believe that the video evidence he had of the encounter would be admissible in court. Telling her of its existence may have been valuable in getting the woman in question to drop the charges, but admitting to her that he taped their encounter without her consent could easily open him up to another lawsuit. Additionally, if the cameras do not have voice capture, then there is no surefire way to determine whether the sex was rape. People consensually tie one another up and struggle. Or she could have been too drunk to consent. Or he could have plied her with drugs that wouldn’t knock her out entirely, but make her appear to be “consenting enough.” ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-think-about-recording-sex-sessions/567602/23 "2011-01-15T02:38:28Z")
> [@rachelellogram](#): > > Telling her of its existence may have been valuable in getting the woman in question to drop the charges, but admitting to her that he taped their encounter without her consent could easily open him up to another lawsuit. Which would still be a lot better than a rape charge. > [@rachelellogram](#): > > Additionally, if the cameras do not have voice capture, then there is no surefire way to determine whether the sex was rape. People consensually tie one another up and struggle. Which is why lawyers advise men that they shouldn’t engage in bondage games with a woman even if she consents, he’s leaving himself open to charges. ---
**Author:** ![DianaG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7ab992/32.png) [@DianaG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DianaG)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-think-about-recording-sex-sessions/567602/24 "2011-01-15T02:45:32Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > I’ve always been told that it’s perfectly reasonable for women to treat every man they meet as a potential rapist By who? I know a lot of people, I’ve never heard anyone say this. > [@Der Trihs](#): > > Which is why lawyers advise men that they shouldn’t engage in bondage games with a woman even if she consents, he’s leaving himself open to charges. I also know a lot of lawyers. A quick poll of the one in the living room indicates that lawyers don’t normally dispense sex advice. ---
**Author:** ![Rachellelogram](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rachellelogram/32/8689_2.png) [@Rachellelogram](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rachellelogram)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-think-about-recording-sex-sessions/567602/25 "2011-01-15T02:51:02Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Which would still be a lot better than a rape charge. Eye of the beholder, I guess. Once the story gets out (and it will), other women who’ve had sex with him may come forward. One invasion of privacy suit is probably better (in the guy’s opinion) than one rape charge. How about 10 invasion of privacy suits, the loss of friends, family shunning him, community shunning him, and the future complete inability to get laid again? ---
**Author:** ![DianaG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7ab992/32.png) [@DianaG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DianaG)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-think-about-recording-sex-sessions/567602/26 "2011-01-15T02:53:44Z")
In fairness, a quick call to another lawyer friend yielded, and I quote, “The kind of lawyer who’ll snort blow off a hooker’s ass with you would TOTALLY advise that.” ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-think-about-recording-sex-sessions/567602/27 "2011-01-15T03:25:28Z")
> [@DianaG](#): > > By who? I know a lot of people, I’ve never heard anyone say this. I’ve gotten into heated arguments with people claiming that on this board. > [@DianaG](#): > > A quick poll of the one in the living room indicates that lawyers don’t normally dispense sex advice. Unless asked, and in this legal climate yes what kind of sex you have is a legal issue for a man. > [@rachelellogram](#): > > One invasion of privacy suit is probably better (in the guy’s opinion) than one rape charge. How about 10 invasion of privacy suits, the loss of friends, family shunning him, community shunning him, and the future complete inability to get laid again? One rape charge will do that. ---
**Author:** ![Rachellelogram](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rachellelogram/32/8689_2.png) [@Rachellelogram](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rachellelogram)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-think-about-recording-sex-sessions/567602/28 "2011-01-15T03:27:53Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > I’ve gotten into heated arguments with people claiming that on this board. > > Unless asked, and in this legal climate yes what kind of sex you have is a legal issue for a man. > > One rape charge will do that. No, a rape _conviction_ would do that. If you think being charged with rape means his friends and family and community will shun him, you must live in a nice fantasyland (PM me the address, k?). ---
**Author:** ![DianaG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7ab992/32.png) [@DianaG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DianaG)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-think-about-recording-sex-sessions/567602/29 "2011-01-15T03:36:01Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Unless asked, and in this legal climate yes what kind of sex you have is a legal issue for a man. Holy crap, I’ve been doing this sex thing all wrong. Apparently, I should have been accusing men of rape for fun and profit! Seriously dude, false accusations of rape certainly happen, but not often enough for even the Times to peg it as a “trend” along the lines of fake anime eye contact lenses. Take a deep breath and join us in the world, where the people live. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-think-about-recording-sex-sessions/567602/30 "2011-01-15T03:41:23Z")
> [@rachelellogram](#): > > No, a rape _conviction_ would do that. If you think being charged with rape means his friends and family and community will shun him, you must live in a nice fantasyland (PM me the address, k?). It’s called “America”; easy enough to find on a map. And yes, the bare accusation is enough to ruin a man’s life. > [@DianaG](#): > > Holy crap, I’ve been doing this sex thing all wrong. Apparently, I should have been accusing men of rape for fun and profit! > > Seriously dude, false accusations of rape certainly happen, but not often enough for even the Times to peg it as a “trend” along the lines of fake anime eye contact lenses. According to you. Of course, you are a woman so you have no reason to fear it happening to you; why not downplay the problem? ---
**Author:** ![DianaG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7ab992/32.png) [@DianaG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DianaG)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-think-about-recording-sex-sessions/567602/31 "2011-01-15T03:51:03Z")
I’m not downplaying it, I’m putting it in proportion. Prove to me that I’m wrong, and this is a pressing issue for a significant number of people. ---
**Author:** ![DianaG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7ab992/32.png) [@DianaG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DianaG)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-think-about-recording-sex-sessions/567602/32 "2011-01-15T04:01:17Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > I’ve gotten into heated arguments with people claiming that on this board. By the way, and I’m not being snarky here, I’m genuinely curious, who? Because if it’s one (or more) of our resident crazies, that kinda doesn’t count. Has anyone in your actual life ever said that it’s reasonable for a woman to regard all men as potential rapists? ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 8:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-think-about-recording-sex-sessions/567602/33 "2011-01-15T08:11:49Z")
> [@DianaG](#): > > Seriously dude, false accusations of rape certainly happen, And [one study](http://www.anandaanswers.com/pages/naaFalse.html) indicates that half of all accusations are false. I don’t know how things are in America, but over here an accusation of rape is incredibly serious. The guy will likely lose his job. And mud sticks. ---
**Author:** ![DianaG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7ab992/32.png) [@DianaG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DianaG)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-think-about-recording-sex-sessions/567602/34 "2011-01-15T14:38:39Z")
That certainly is one study. One tiny, nearly twenty year old study, that most scientists look askance at, and I’ve only ever seen cited by people with a very clear agenda, who hope that whomever they mention it to won’t notice that it’s tiny and nearly twenty years old, and the results have never been anything remotely like duplicated. ---
**Author:** ![fuzzypickles](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/9d8465/32.png) [@fuzzypickles](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fuzzypickles)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-think-about-recording-sex-sessions/567602/35 "2011-01-15T15:46:59Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > It’s called “America”; easy enough to find on a map. Not for [37% of Americans](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steven-shehori/poll-37-of-americans-unab_b_150933.html). > [@Quartz](#): > > And [one study](http://www.anandaanswers.com/pages/naaFalse.html) indicates that half of all accusations are false. Which reflexively means 50% of all rape accusations are legit – therefore, even false reports must be taken seriously. Police aren’t psychic, you know. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-think-about-recording-sex-sessions/567602/36 "2011-01-15T18:26:53Z")
> [@DianaG](#): > > That certainly is one study. One tiny, nearly twenty year old study, that most scientists look askance at, and I’ve only ever seen cited by people with a very clear agenda, who hope that whomever they mention it to won’t notice that it’s tiny and nearly twenty years old, and the results have never been anything remotely like duplicated. Oh, please, that’s hardly the only study showing large numbers of false accusations for rape and child molestation. I recall one from the FBI showing that 65% of men in jail on rape charges physically could not be guilty; either DNA tests proved it, or they were demonstrably somewhere far away when the crime occurs. And why wouldn’t there be lots of false accusations, given that there’s no downside for the woman, the prevalence of hatred and disdain women in our culture have towards men, and that false accusations are outright encouraged by some feminists and divorce lawyers? Like the practice of photographing your husband bathing your children so you can accuse him of being a child molester - he’s touching naked kids! - if you end up divorcing him. Why not falsely accuse a man since after all, him being a man you “know” he’s scum anyway? ---
**Author:** ![DianaG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7ab992/32.png) [@DianaG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DianaG)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-think-about-recording-sex-sessions/567602/37 "2011-01-15T18:31:43Z")
If you recall it, then find it and link to it. The only FBI stat I’ve seen puts unfounded accusations at something like 6%. The rest of your post makes you sound like Andrea Dworkin if she’d had a penis. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-think-about-recording-sex-sessions/567602/38 "2011-01-15T18:36:37Z")
> [@DianaG](#): > > The rest of your post makes you sound like Andrea Dworkin if she’d had a penis. Then you don’t recall Dworkin very well. ---
**Author:** ![DianaG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7ab992/32.png) [@DianaG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DianaG)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-think-about-recording-sex-sessions/567602/39 "2011-01-15T18:37:46Z")
No link? ---
**Author:** ![DianaG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7ab992/32.png) [@DianaG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DianaG)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-think-about-recording-sex-sessions/567602/40 "2011-01-15T18:52:52Z")
Oh fine, [I’ll do it.](http://www.innocenceproject.org/know/Search-Profiles.php?check=check&title=&yearConviction=&yearExoneration=&jurisdiction=&cause=&perpetrator=&compensation=&conviction=rape&x=0&y=0) That is a list of all men exonerated post conviction of rape by DNA evidence. It’s quite a few men. I’m pleased for each of them. It’s certainly not anything remotely approaching 65% of convicted rapists. In other words, you’re making shit up. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-think-about-recording-sex-sessions/567602.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-think-about-recording-sex-sessions/567602.md?page=3)