# What do you think about recording sex sessions? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [January 14, 2011, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-think-about-recording-sex-sessions/567602 "2011-01-14T15:13:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2011, 7:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-think-about-recording-sex-sessions/567602/121 "2011-01-16T07:29:50Z")
> [@fuzzypickles](#): > > No woman has that kind of power, not unless you grant them that power. Of course they do, one accusation and your life is devastated. It has nothing to do with you “giving them that power”. I note, again, the unwillingness of my opponents in this thread to come up with solutions besides denying that there is a problem at all or just telling men “tough luck, sucks to be you”. > [@fuzzypickles](#): > > Sex with _women_, that’s for dead certain! > > (Oh, is that statement ever _dripping_ with irony…) You mean like using a standard slur against men in a thread involving prejudice against men? Perhaps you could accuse blacks of eating watermelons, Jews of being greedy, women of being sluts and homosexuals of being wimpy while you are on a roll. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2011, 7:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-think-about-recording-sex-sessions/567602/122 "2011-01-16T07:31:35Z")
> [@DianaG](#): > > That’s kinda rapey. You are rather proving my point about the accusations women are willing to make, you know. ---
**Author:** ![fuzzypickles](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/9d8465/32.png) [@fuzzypickles](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fuzzypickles)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2011, 7:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-think-about-recording-sex-sessions/567602/123 "2011-01-16T07:31:58Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > You mean like using a standard slur against men in a thread involving prejudice against men? Oh no, **Der Trihs** – that’s not what I meant at all. Not at all. I will say no more. 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![DianaG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7ab992/32.png) [@DianaG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DianaG)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2011, 7:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-think-about-recording-sex-sessions/567602/124 "2011-01-16T07:33:18Z")
> [@Der Trihs](#): > > Perhaps you could accuse blacks of eating watermelons, Jews of being greedy, women of being sluts and homosexuals of being wimpy while you are on a roll Alternatively, perhaps you heard once of blacks disproportionately shoplifiting, and decided that you had a right to stick to every black in the store like, well, white on rice. Is that okay? ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2011, 7:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-think-about-recording-sex-sessions/567602/125 "2011-01-16T07:33:27Z")
> [@fuzzypickles](#): > > Oh no, **Der Trihs** – that’s not what I meant at all. Not at all. > > I will say no more. 🆒 Because of course that IS what you were doing, you just don’t want to admit it. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2011, 7:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-think-about-recording-sex-sessions/567602/126 "2011-01-16T07:34:51Z")
> [@DianaG](#): > > Alternatively, perhaps you heard once of blacks disproportionately shoplifiting, and decided that you had a right to stick to every black in the store like, well, white on rice. > > Is that okay? If the courts were refusing to prosecute black people for shoplifting your analogy might work, but they aren’t so it doesn’t. ---
**Author:** ![DianaG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7ab992/32.png) [@DianaG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DianaG)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2011, 7:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-think-about-recording-sex-sessions/567602/127 "2011-01-16T07:36:16Z")
Just like what you’re doing is attributing malice to 50% of the population, as though that’s not fucking insane? Of course, you don’t want to admit it. ---
**Author:** ![DianaG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7ab992/32.png) [@DianaG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DianaG)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2011, 7:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-think-about-recording-sex-sessions/567602/128 "2011-01-16T07:39:28Z")
You know, it’s friggin’ impossible to find the percentage of US rape trials that result in conviction (og knows I’ve tried), but the consensus seems to be that it’s surprisingly LOW. Your insistence that a man can be jailed for having consensual sex with a woman just doesn’t hold water. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2011, 7:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-think-about-recording-sex-sessions/567602/129 "2011-01-16T07:42:33Z")
> [@DianaG](#): > > Just like what you’re doing is attributing malice to 50% of the population, as though that’s not fucking insane? Of course, you don’t want to admit it. No, but I’m not surprised you characterize a complaint about the unfairness of the system as sexism. You are clearly taking the position that attributing anything other than overwhelming moral superiority to women is sexism. Somehow I doubt you’d be so comfortable about trusting men who had such a license to mistreat you and get away with it. ---
**Author:** ![DianaG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7ab992/32.png) [@DianaG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DianaG)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2011, 7:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-think-about-recording-sex-sessions/567602/130 "2011-01-16T07:47:17Z")
No, I’m asserting that women are just people, and we comprise 50%ish of the population, which means that you attribute malicious intent to 50% of the population based on their gender. Once again, OWN IT. BTW, google search of “percentage of US rape trials that result in conviction”. As I mentioned, the results are unsatisfying, to say the least, but not one single source seems to conclude that the percentage is disproportionate in favor of accusers. [http://www.google.com/search?q=percentage+of+US+rape+trials+that+result+in+conviction&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a](http://www.google.com/search?q=percentage+of+US+rape+trials+that+result+in+conviction&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a) ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2011, 8:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-think-about-recording-sex-sessions/567602/131 "2011-01-16T08:20:29Z")
> [@DianaG](#): > > No, I’m asserting that women are just people, and we comprise 50%ish of the population, which means that you attribute malicious intent to 50% of the population based on their gender. Once again, OWN IT. Garbage. I’m “attributing” 50% of the population being allowed to act badly without consequence. And I’ve repeatedly made the point that men would be just as bad in the same position, despite your decision to ignore it. As well as your refusal to come up with a solution instead of insulting me. ---
**Author:** ![DianaG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7ab992/32.png) [@DianaG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DianaG)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2011, 8:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-think-about-recording-sex-sessions/567602/132 "2011-01-16T08:23:11Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > You are rather proving my point about the accusations women are willing to make, you know. And you’re proving that men are inherently untrustworthy. Or at least you would be, if I were the kind of person who equated “men” with “Der Trihs” or even with “any random person who happens to be in possession of a penis”. Fortunately for both of us, I have two brain cells to rub together, so I don’t. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Controvert](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/dec6dc/32.png) [@The\_Controvert](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Controvert)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2011, 8:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-think-about-recording-sex-sessions/567602/133 "2011-01-16T08:24:59Z")
Actually, I came up with a solution… just put up a sign that states “Premises are monitored by security cameras”. ---
**Author:** ![DianaG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7ab992/32.png) [@DianaG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DianaG)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2011, 8:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-think-about-recording-sex-sessions/567602/134 "2011-01-16T08:29:22Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Garbage. I’m “attributing” 50% of the population being allowed to act badly without consequence. And I’ve repeatedly made the point that men would be just as bad in the same position, despite your decision to ignore it. As well as your refusal to come up with a solution instead of insulting me. I did come up with a solution, dear. Just because it may prevent you from getting your weewee wet doesn’t make it not a solution. That just means that you’re not willing to keep your weewee dry for the sake of integrity. Your problem sugar, not all of womankind’s. Once again, because it bears repeating, you feel that you have a right to lie to women to get laid. Really honey, you’re not exactly covering yourself in glory here. I’m a bit uncomfortable thinking what else you’re covering yourself in, thinking to yourself how you gave all those women stupid enough to have sex with you their proper humiliation. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2011, 8:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-think-about-recording-sex-sessions/567602/135 "2011-01-16T08:45:52Z")
> [@DianaG](#): > > I did come up with a solution, dear. Just because it may prevent you from getting your weewee wet doesn’t make it not a solution. That just means that you’re not willing to keep your weewee dry for the sake of integrity. Your problem sugar, not all of womankind’s. > > Once again, because it bears repeating, you feel that you have a right to lie to women to get laid. > > Really honey, you’re not exactly covering yourself in glory here. I’m a bit uncomfortable thinking what else you’re covering yourself in, thinking to yourself how you gave all those women stupid enough to have sex with you their proper humiliation. Yet more sexual insults. And of course the classic accusation that as a man I’m out to sexually humiliate women. And - again - I said a solution besides celibacy, lying or foolhardiness on the part of the man. You’re just repeating your non-solution with more sexual insults. ---
**Author:** ![nocturnal\_chewing\_gum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ecd19e/32.png) [@nocturnal\_chewing\_gum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nocturnal_chewing_gum)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2011, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-think-about-recording-sex-sessions/567602/136 "2011-01-16T14:48:43Z")
So, let’s say you tape your encounter with “Miss Liar Liar”. Let’s even say she enjoys it enough to come back for a sequal. Then, for whatever reason, she’s had enough and decides to accuse you of rape. You bring out the tapes. What do you think the response from her and her lawyer will be? “Well, of course he’s not going to leave the camera running while he’s raping me. He’s a rapist, not an idiot.” ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2011, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-think-about-recording-sex-sessions/567602/137 "2011-01-16T16:27:44Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > Someone who would tape another person having sex with them without informing the other person is sleazy and without morals. If one has a legitimate fear of being slapped with a false accusation of rape, then one should reassess the type of person they are attempting to fuck. Since many (most?) rapes are women raped by friends, early on boyfriends/date material, and relatives, I would suggest that if you were raped its your own fault for being around people you can’t trust. Or in other words, you should reassess the type of people you choose to hang around with. Women raped in dark alleys by strangers and raped children get a pass on this one. Or, in otherwords, this trust business is mostly a crock of shit. . ---
**Author:** ![fuzzypickles](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/9d8465/32.png) [@fuzzypickles](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fuzzypickles)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2011, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-think-about-recording-sex-sessions/567602/138 "2011-01-16T16:37:01Z")
> [@billfish678](#): > > Since many (most?) rapes are women raped by friends, early on boyfriends/date material, and relatives, I would suggest that if you were raped its your own fault for being around people you can’t trust. Or in other words, you should reassess the type of people you choose to hang around with. > > Women raped in dark alleys by strangers and raped children get a pass on this one. > > Or, in otherwords, this trust business is mostly a crock of shit. Violation of trust is the worst crime imaginable. Not everyone can determine who can be trusted at first glance, because the perpetrator himself probably doesn’t even know. Many rapes (and murders, too) are Crimes of Passion – done in the heat of the moment, with no malice aforethought, and the decision to violate the victim is usually made during an intense emotional state (anger, lust, etc…) IOW, **don’t** give a pass to women raped by total strangers, while blaming (yes, **blaming** ) those who knew & trusted their attackers. You’ve got it backwards, **Mr. Bill**. Srsly. :mad: ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2011, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-think-about-recording-sex-sessions/567602/139 "2011-01-16T17:15:34Z")
> [@nocturnal\_chewing\_gum](#): > > So, let’s say you tape your encounter with “Miss Liar Liar”. Let’s even say she enjoys it enough to come back for a sequal. Then, for whatever reason, she’s had enough and decides to accuse you of rape. You bring out the tapes. What do you think the response from her and her lawyer will be? “Well, of course he’s not going to leave the camera running while he’s raping me. He’s a rapist, not an idiot.” If it’s all properly timestamped, that would obviate that accusation. Remember that we’re talking about cameras that happen to record a sex session, not a studio setup. > [@billfish678](#): > > Since many (most?) rapes are women raped by friends, early on boyfriends/date material, and relatives, I would suggest that if you were raped its your own fault for being around people you can’t trust. Or in other words, you should reassess the type of people you choose to hang around with. Maybe I’m being whooshed but that could equally be applied to males WRT women accusing them of rape. It’s a horrible accusation. Betrayal of trust in such a manner by either sex is quite beyond the pale. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2011, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-think-about-recording-sex-sessions/567602/140 "2011-01-16T17:56:36Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > No. Would say no, always. It’s not like she cares about _his_ problems after all; or even wants to admit they exist. As threads like this help demonstrate. And it’s not like you care about _her_ right to know she’s being video-taped, so you decide it’s okay to deceive her? Wow…just, wow. That’s sick. **fuzzypickles** , JFK Jr. was never accused of rape – you’re thinking of [William Kennedy Smith](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Kennedy_Smith). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-think-about-recording-sex-sessions/567602.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-think-about-recording-sex-sessions/567602.md?page=8)