Equate? No. But do you honestly believe that surreptitiously taping a person in what they believe to be a private and intimate situation is NOT an egregious violation of trust?
My position requires no defense, it’s called decency. You haven’t understood anything else I’ve said either, so I’ll do my best to clarify this. I wish to go to the Pit so that I may tell you exactly what I think of you as a human being.
Of course, it occurs to me that I don’t have to wait for this to be moved to the Pit. Zany and Der Trihs, consider yourselves cordially invited.
You may go to The Pit if you wish-nobody is stopping you.
But, security cameras aren’t usually focused that closely, more of a wide angle lens shot. If the security camera just happens to pick up random activity. For that matter, who says the sessions have to be in the bedroom? If there are multiple cameras in the house (as stated in the OP), could be taking place anywhere.
However, if the security camera is focused only on the bed, then that’s as squicky as others have mentioned.
The kind of trust you are pushing for is a synonym for “stupidity”. Should I hand her the password for my bank account too?
More bullshit. No, you shouldn’t hand her your PIN. You also shouldn’t expect her to search through your wallet for it while you’re in the shower, which is more akin to videotaping her without her knowledge.
Someone who would tape another person having sex with them without informing the other person is sleazy and without morals. If one has a legitimate fear of being slapped with a false accusation of rape, then one should reassess the type of person they are attempting to fuck.
Amen to that, 110%.
“If you don’t trust the pussy, why are you fucking the pussy?” – Sam Kinison
Don’t be silly; the problem is the law and the culture. Men aren’t telepaths and can’t tell if a woman is or is not the sort who will lie about it now, nor are they precognitive and able to tell if she’ll lie about it in a month or a year. No one given the near absolute license to lie is trustworthy.
How much trust would you give to someone who had a gun pointed at your face and who you knew could kill you without punishment? Women can ruin men’s lives casually, with minimal effort and with little to no repercussions to themselves. No one can be trusted with that kind of power.
The answer here is that sex is not for you.
That’ would be the “celibacy” option I already mentioned. But it just underlines my point that women depend on men being irrational about sex and women in our society; if men did the rational thing they’d just avoid going near women, much less having sex with them.
And I note that everyone is dancing around trying to avoid giving a workable solution that doesn’t boil down to a man choosing between lifelong celibacy or leaving himself completely vulnerable to a false accusation. Instead we have classic man bashing; accusations of “sleaze” and now the claims that I’m not worthy of sex. And in the Pit thread accusations of homosexuality too; a classic.
If you believe that the choice is between honesty and celibacy, then you clearly believe that videotaping is not ‘reasonable’. If you truly believed that it’s reasonable, then there’s no way that you could believe that 50% of humanity would view it as unreasonable.
By the way, “I thought Der Trihs was gay.” is not an “accusation” of homosexuality, any more than “I really wish I hadn’t achieved a BAC of 23.8 and had sex with Der Trihs” is an accusation of rape.
And, contrary to stupidly insisting this inane notion of surreptitious video recording would be used for some imagined legal tussle in a courtroom somewhere, it would in fact be promptly thrown out as evidence as well as inviting another lawsuit on top of the already embarrasing rape charge.
In United States constitutional law the expectation of privacy is a legal test which is crucial in defining the scope of the applicability of the privacy protections of the Fourth Amendment to the United States Constitution.
Now off to the pit (tee, hee hee)…
That doesn’t follow at all.
In a thread that among other things was created to bash me? Come on. It’s as stereotypical as accusing a woman of being a slut.
Well, I didn’t want to say anything, but I’ve heard that Diana does shake a lot of hands…
Well, you’ve said that if you told the woman upfront that you would be taping her, that she’d say no, correct? So we know that all women would view taping as unreasonable. Not telling someone you are taping them is a lie of omission at the very least. So there’s the dishonesty. And you don’t see any possible middle ground between taping and celibacy so your choices are dishonesty or celibacy. It looks perfectly clear to me.
Exactly. When you create a false dichotomy between “honesty” and “getting laid”, you’re essentially The Situation with a more impressive vocabulary. Congratulations on your relative literacy, Der Trihs!
BTW, Inner Stickler, my daughter asked me to tell you that you’re kind of awesome.
You presume that I think that the women are being reasonably by being offended; I don’t.
And of course there are alternatives, despite how other people in this thread appear unwilling to come up with any. They just founder on the same problems. For example, another idea you see occasionally come up is insisting that women sign a consent form before sex; but again, that won’t work because women would take it as an insult and refuse. Anything but a wholly lopsided trust relationship appears to be anathema to the vast majority of women in this country. They can make it work because men are self destructively willing to put up with it, but that doesn’t make it fair or less self destructive for the men.
No woman has that kind of power, not unless you grant them that power. Except mothers, of course. Every male child (no matter how old) is at the mercy of his mother, in particular those who are prejudiced against…oh, wait. Now I get it. 
Sex with women, that’s for dead certain!
(Oh, is that statement ever dripping with irony…)
So in other words, you think that it’s okay to be dishonest in the interest of getting laid.
Seriously dude, stop with the equivocations. You believe that you have the absolute right to be dishonest with a woman in the interest of getting laid. That’s kinda rapey.*
*Anyone who cares to search would find that my attitude toward rape does not lend itself to the “I wish I hadn’t done that” school of ‘violation’. We’re all responsible for our own actions, and when our actions include intent to deceive, it may not be rape, but it’s still vile.