# What do you think of Hillary's smack down of Sanders? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [December 5, 2019, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-think-of-hillarys-smack-down-of-sanders/844427 "2019-12-05T21:18:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2019, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-think-of-hillarys-smack-down-of-sanders/844427/1 "2019-12-05T21:18:58Z")
Based on [this](https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/05/politics/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-howard-stern/index.html) CNN article. Apparently Hillary did an interview with Howard Stern (I didn’t realize he was still enough of a thing to get the likes of Clinton to come on his show to do interviews) in which she either told it like it is or dissed on Sanders, depending on your thoughts. From the article: > [@](#): > > Asked by Stern whether she hated Sanders for the long primary campaign he ran against her in 2016 and the slowness with which he offered his eventual endorsement, Clinton said “I don’t hate anybody,” before adding about the time it took Sanders to endorse her: “He could have. He hurt me, there’s no doubt about it.” > > Then she delivered the dagger: “And I hope he doesn’t do it again to whoever gets the nomination. Once is enough.” > > Clinton’s comments to Stern about Sanders are remarkable put-downs – with multiple layers. > [@](#): > > Let’s remember what Clinton said again: “And I hope he doesn’t do it again to whoever gets the nomination. Once is enough.” > > Implied – and not in very subtly – in that comment is that Sanders isn’t going to be the Democratic nominee in 2020. Which is a somewhat bold prediction – given that Sanders is second in national polling and among the top four in Iowa, New Hampshire and beyond. To be clear: Sanders isn’t the current frontrunner – that’s former vice president Joe Biden still – but he’s absolutely in the mix, making Clinton’s seeming certainty that he won’t be the nominee newsworthy. > > Then there’s the warning to Sanders that when he does lose again (as Clinton is sure he will), that he had better not repeat the slow-walk endorsement he gave her because he already cost the party a chance at beating Trump once. Which is heavy stuff! For Clinton, always controlled, it’s a noteworthy smack down (IMHO). What do you 'dopers think? Or is this a meh, don’t care sort of thing since Clinton isn’t running and is pretty much done with running for office? ---
**Author:** ![Elusive](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/2bfe46/32.png) [@Elusive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elusive)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2019, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-think-of-hillarys-smack-down-of-sanders/844427/2 "2019-12-05T21:26:27Z")
Frankly, I feel like she’s just saying what we all (or just me all) are thinking. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2019, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-think-of-hillarys-smack-down-of-sanders/844427/3 "2019-12-05T21:31:33Z")
He threatens the establishment; she is among the most looming of establishment figures on her side of the aisle, or at least she was until she lost to Trump, of all people. I wish she’d have the good grace to retire. I think the American people have made it quite clear that they don’t like her ideas. As Sanders keeps pointing out, his ideas do better and better each time they’re polled. That doesn’t mean that he’ll be our next president, but he definitely changed the conversation within the democratic party. This is another feeble attempt by the establishment to steer the party back. They might succeed, too, but if so – it will cost them the general election and we will get 4 more years of Trump. IMHO, of course. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2019, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-think-of-hillarys-smack-down-of-sanders/844427/4 "2019-12-05T21:59:16Z")
There are plenty of people who have room to criticize. Clinton isn’t one of them. ---
**Author:** ![Gukumatz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/74df32/32.png) [@Gukumatz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gukumatz)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2019, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-think-of-hillarys-smack-down-of-sanders/844427/5 "2019-12-05T22:27:08Z")
Authority figure asked if anti-authority figure should be more respectful of authority figures. ---
**Author:** ![Unreconstructed\_Man](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/76d3ee/32.png) [@Unreconstructed\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unreconstructed_Man)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2019, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-think-of-hillarys-smack-down-of-sanders/844427/6 "2019-12-05T22:28:08Z")
Because everyone absolutely fucking _loathes_ Hillary Clinton, and just wishes she’d go away and take the memory of her historic electoral humiliation with her, I predict her comments will inspire a small, but noticeable bump in Sanders’ approval rating. ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2019, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-think-of-hillarys-smack-down-of-sanders/844427/7 "2019-12-05T22:44:29Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > I wish she’d have the good grace to retire. I think the American people have made it quite clear that they don’t like her ideas. Change she and her to he and him and that’s how I feel about Bernie. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2019, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-think-of-hillarys-smack-down-of-sanders/844427/8 "2019-12-05T22:55:45Z")
Fuck Sanders. He should have endorsed as soon as he was mathematically eliminated. That being said, he wasn’t the sole reason for Hillary’s defeat. I blame: 1- Jim Comey’s hamfisted announcement “SQUIRREL! EMAILS!” 2- The stupidity of the American public 3- Hillary ran a lousy campaign 4- Sanders being a dick ---
**Author:** ![Yookeroo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yookeroo/32/323_2.png) [@Yookeroo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yookeroo)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2019, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-think-of-hillarys-smack-down-of-sanders/844427/9 "2019-12-05T23:03:57Z")
> [@Kent\_Clark](#): > > Change she and her to he and him and that’s how I feel about Bernie. I mostly like his ideas. I just don’t like him. Mostly because he did play a small part in getting Trump elected thanks to his ego. There were other factors, but he sure didn’t help defeat Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2019, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-think-of-hillarys-smack-down-of-sanders/844427/10 "2019-12-05T23:09:36Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Fuck Sanders. He should have endorsed as soon as he was mathematically eliminated. That being said, he wasn’t the sole reason for Hillary’s defeat. I blame: > > 1- Jim Comey’s hamfisted announcement “SQUIRREL! EMAILS!” > 2- The stupidity of the American public > 3- Hillary ran a lousy campaign > 4- Sanders being a dick I’d say the proper order is 2, 3, 1, 4. But that’s just IMHO. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2019, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-think-of-hillarys-smack-down-of-sanders/844427/11 "2019-12-05T23:17:58Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > I wish she’d have the good grace to retire. I think the American people have made it quite clear that they don’t like her ideas. Uh, last time I checked, she \*was \*retired with no plans on doing anything else professionally for the rest of her life. I didn’t realize retired politicians appearing on a talk show was frowned upon. > [@](#): > > Because everyone absolutely fucking loathes Hillary Clinton, Didn’t read past this because it’s nonsense. From what I can tell, Hillary said Bernie’s actions in 2016 hurt her, not that his actions, and his actions alone, cost her the election. For all the analysis of what happened in 2016 we’ve done around here, I would suspect Hillary’s done ten times as much. I actually find her thoughts on the whole fucking nightmare to be pretty fascinating. I don’t get all the anger toward her talking about her experience and perspective of the whole thing. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2019, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-think-of-hillarys-smack-down-of-sanders/844427/12 "2019-12-05T23:55:56Z")
Sanders is an Independent and not a Democrat. Running for the nomination in 2016 and 2020 he is at best a DINO and not even that when he’s not going for the nomination. I support the DNC (in 2016) and any Dem (even Hillary) that has an F him attitude. I think she’s wrong about him costing her the election but I just throw that on the pile of all the reasons she’s wrong about why she lost. For example, in that interview she also said she lost because the EC is an unfair system but I think it’s clear she didn’t run her election as 51 individual elections. Don’t blame the rules of the game when you don’t follow them and lose. Bernie had nothing to do with that. Let’s be honest, how many voters listened to Sanders and said, “Hmmmm, I think I’ll vote for Stein.” Oh and Stein cost her the election too (according to Clinton). ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2019, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-think-of-hillarys-smack-down-of-sanders/844427/13 "2019-12-06T00:53:50Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > Uh, last time I checked, she \*was \*retired with no plans on doing anything else professionally for the rest of her life. I didn’t realize retired politicians appearing on a talk show was frowned upon. > > Didn’t read past this because it’s nonsense. > > From what I can tell, Hillary said Bernie’s actions in 2016 hurt her, not that his actions, and his actions alone, cost her the election. For all the analysis of what happened in 2016 we’ve done around here, I would suspect Hillary’s done ten times as much. I actually find her thoughts on the whole fucking nightmare to be pretty fascinating. I don’t get all the anger toward her talking about her experience and perspective of the whole thing. I’m not the one who said that everyone loathes clinton, but your quote makes it look like I was. ---
**Author:** ![Southern\_Yankee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/southern_yankee/32/2800_2.png) [@Southern\_Yankee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Southern_Yankee)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2019, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-think-of-hillarys-smack-down-of-sanders/844427/14 "2019-12-06T01:33:37Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > He threatens the establishment; she is among the most looming of establishment figures on her side of the aisle, or at least she was until she lost to Trump, of all people. > > I wish she’d have the good grace to retire.\*\* I think the American people have made it quite clear that they don’t like her ideas.\*\* As Sanders keeps pointing out, his ideas do better and better each time they’re polled. That doesn’t mean that he’ll be our next president, but he definitely changed the conversation within the democratic party. This is another feeble attempt by the establishment to steer the party back. They might succeed, too, but if so – it will cost them the general election and we will get 4 more years of Trump. > > IMHO, of course. Bolding mine. I’m not personally a fan of hers, but almost 3 million American people liked her ideas more than Trump’s in 2016. [Link](https://www.270towin.com/2016_Election/) ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2019, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-think-of-hillarys-smack-down-of-sanders/844427/15 "2019-12-06T01:38:17Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Fuck Sanders. He should have endorsed as soon as he was mathematically eliminated. That being said, he wasn’t the sole reason for Hillary’s defeat. I blame: > > 1- Jim Comey’s hamfisted announcement “SQUIRREL! EMAILS!” > 2- The stupidity of the American public > 3- Hillary ran a lousy campaign > 4- Sanders being a dick I disagree with 3 and would characterize it as a fairly standard campaign. And I think there’s a glaring oversight on your list: 5- The Russians. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2019, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-think-of-hillarys-smack-down-of-sanders/844427/16 "2019-12-06T01:55:23Z")
This is what I just posted in the Pit. She showed her true character. She lost because her facade was thin and it wasn’t hard to turn people against her. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2019, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-think-of-hillarys-smack-down-of-sanders/844427/17 "2019-12-06T01:57:23Z")
I blame the American voter primarily. It’s not just in 2016; we’ve screwed up a lot of other elections, too. The 2000 and 2004 elections, the elections in 1994 – those were some pretty serious fuck-ups that set the stage for 2016. “Yah, okay, so maybe they did lie about WMD…but you cain’t quit on a president in the middle of a war! These colors never run! USA! USA! USA!” ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2019, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-think-of-hillarys-smack-down-of-sanders/844427/18 "2019-12-06T02:03:32Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > I blame the American voter primarily. It’s not just in 2016; we’ve screwed up a lot of other elections, too. The 2000 and 2004 elections, the elections in 1994 – those were some pretty serious fuck-ups that set the stage for 2016. > > “Yah, okay, so maybe they did lie about WMD…but you cain’t quit on a president in the middle of a war! These colors never run! USA! USA! USA!” I can’t disagree with that. We put these clowns in office, we let them strip away our rights, we let them make a mess of the economy and the environment and too much of the rest of the world. But candidates claim to be the most qualified person for the job and that means they should know what the political landscape is and how to deal with it. Nobody gets an out because the system is a mess, we all have to live with it. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2019, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-think-of-hillarys-smack-down-of-sanders/844427/19 "2019-12-06T02:14:56Z")
> [@](#): > > Quoth **BobLibDem** : > > Fuck Sanders. He should have endorsed as soon as he was mathematically eliminated. That’s what he did do. Clinton thinks that wasn’t soon enough. ---
**Author:** ![Shagunathor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e47c2d/32.png) [@Shagunathor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shagunathor)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2019, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-think-of-hillarys-smack-down-of-sanders/844427/20 "2019-12-06T02:25:26Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > That’s what he did do. Clinton thinks that wasn’t soon enough. Hillary had a majority of delegates June 7. Sanders endorsed July 12. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-think-of-hillarys-smack-down-of-sanders/844427.md?page=2)