# What do you think of the 200 page Health Care Bill? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [April 10, 2010, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-think-of-the-200-page-health-care-bill/535664 "2010-04-10T20:24:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![happydays546](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f14d63/32.png) [@happydays546](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/happydays546)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2010, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-think-of-the-200-page-health-care-bill/535664/1 "2010-04-10T20:24:13Z")
Ok so please debate on this, I hope you all like to do away with this bill. ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2010, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-think-of-the-200-page-health-care-bill/535664/2 "2010-04-10T20:31:31Z")
Welcome to the SDMB, **happydays546**! Usually we prefer more of an actual argument in the opening post (OP). And remember what the boys in Monty Python say, an argument isn’t just contradicting everything the other person says! ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2010, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-think-of-the-200-page-health-care-bill/535664/3 "2010-04-10T20:35:07Z")
> [@happydays546](#): > > Ok so please debate on this, I hope you all like to do away with this bill. Sure would, i’d like to do away with it and replace it with socialized universal healthcare. But what we have will do for the moment, i’m sure the rest will come along in time. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Hamster\_King](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8edcca/32.png) [@The\_Hamster\_King](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Hamster_King)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2010, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-think-of-the-200-page-health-care-bill/535664/4 "2010-04-10T20:42:24Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > Sure would, i’d like to do away with it and replace it with socialized universal healthcare. I agree. The Affordable Care Act is far too conservative. It’s essentially the Republican plan from the 90’s which liberals opposed at the time for being too generous to the insurance companies. Still, it’s better than nothing, and if we continue to apply political pressure we may eventually be able to get proper public health care in the United States. ---
**Author:** ![Gustav](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/919ad9/32.png) [@Gustav](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gustav)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2010, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-think-of-the-200-page-health-care-bill/535664/5 "2010-04-10T20:43:14Z")
Personally I think it’s way too much, it should be 12 pages at most. No human can be expected to read 200 pages. Ideally they should make a comic and put the bill in the speech bubble. ---
**Author:** ![happydays546](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f14d63/32.png) [@happydays546](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/happydays546)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2010, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-think-of-the-200-page-health-care-bill/535664/6 "2010-04-10T21:19:11Z")
> [@Gustav](#): > > Personally I think it’s way too much, it should be 12 pages at most. No human can be expected to read 200 pages. > > Ideally they should make a comic and put the bill in the speech bubble. It is not 200, it is 2000, but I see what you mean, I would not read more then 100, unless I need to in order to get a grade. ---
**Author:** ![Gustav](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/919ad9/32.png) [@Gustav](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gustav)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2010, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-think-of-the-200-page-health-care-bill/535664/7 "2010-04-10T21:28:30Z")
2000 pages? Holy shit, no wonder they’re so desperate to pass this thing, imagine having to start over! ---
**Author:** ![jasg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f0a364/32.png) [@jasg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jasg)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2010, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-think-of-the-200-page-health-care-bill/535664/8 "2010-04-10T21:28:53Z")
I strongly disagree with the OP title - when I open the [PDF version](http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.3590:) of the bill it says it is 906 pages long. The reconciliation bill adds another 55. (The ‘public print’ of this bill before it was passed and formatted was 2409 pages, not 2000) 😉 ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2010, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-think-of-the-200-page-health-care-bill/535664/9 "2010-04-10T21:34:38Z")
> [@happydays546](#): > > It is not 200, it is 2000, but I see what you mean, I would not read more then 100, unless I need to in order to get a grade. What grade are you in? ---
**Author:** ![happydays546](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f14d63/32.png) [@happydays546](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/happydays546)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2010, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-think-of-the-200-page-health-care-bill/535664/10 "2010-04-11T00:09:24Z")
> [@jasg](#): > > I strongly disagree with the OP title - when I open the [PDF version](http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.3590:) of the bill it says it is 906 pages long. The reconciliation bill adds another 55. (The ‘public print’ of this bill before it was passed and formatted was 2409 pages, not 2000) 😉 jasg when someone says 2000, that means that is a rough number and it is like I heared 2000 something! ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2010, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-think-of-the-200-page-health-care-bill/535664/11 "2010-04-11T00:24:15Z")
It has about as many actual words in it as Sarah Palin’s autobiography. If you could get through that, you could get through the bill. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2010, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-think-of-the-200-page-health-care-bill/535664/12 "2010-04-11T00:48:38Z")
> [@Gustav](#): > > 2000 pages? Holy shit, no wonder they’re so desperate to pass this thing, imagine having to start over! 2,000 pages? That’s nothing! Saddam sent us [13,000 pages just to prove to us he didn’t have any WMDs.](http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/article798822.ece) If the Dems were truly desperate, like Saddam, they’d have given us 250,000 pages, _minimum_. ---
**Author:** ![Knorf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/58956e/32.png) [@Knorf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knorf)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2010, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-think-of-the-200-page-health-care-bill/535664/13 "2010-04-11T01:02:11Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > It has about as many actual words in it as Sarah Palin’s autobiography. If you could get through that, you could get through the bill. Dude, that’s just really, like, hardcore mean. Reading the Health Care Reform bill isn’t _that_ bad! ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2010, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-think-of-the-200-page-health-care-bill/535664/14 "2010-04-11T01:20:48Z")
I doubt she read it herself. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2010, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-think-of-the-200-page-health-care-bill/535664/15 "2010-04-11T01:44:28Z")
> [@happydays546](#): > > Ok so please debate on this, I hope you all like to do away with this bill. For the record, it is no longer a bill. It is a law. If you want to repeal it, you will need to pass a new law, then get 288 votes in the House, and 67 votes in the Senate to override the President’s veto. Now, Republicans may pick up a few seats in November, but there is no way in hell they are going to get a margin like that. So this law isn’t going anywhere until you elect a Republican president, and with the Teabaggers splitting the GOP, that is not going to happen in 2012, and probably much longer. Besides, by the time the 2012 election rolls around, a lot of people are going to see some of the benefits of this law, and opposition is going to deflate. I think the likelihood of this law being altered in the foreseeable future is nil. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2010, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-think-of-the-200-page-health-care-bill/535664/16 "2010-04-11T02:34:03Z")
From your lips to the Ears, but in the wondrous chaos that is democracy, there is no such thing as “nil”. Alas. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2010, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-think-of-the-200-page-health-care-bill/535664/17 "2010-04-11T03:16:03Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > For the record, it is no longer a bill. It is a law. Oh Yeah!! ![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/mEJL2Uuv-oQ/maxresdefault.jpg)https://www.youtube.com/embed/mEJL2Uuv-oQ?feature=oembed&wmode=opaque 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![njtt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ecd19e/32.png) [@njtt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/njtt)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2010, 12:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-think-of-the-200-page-health-care-bill/535664/18 "2010-04-11T12:39:13Z")
> [@foolsguinea](#): > > Welcome to the SDMB, **happydays546**! Usually we prefer more of an actual argument in the opening post (OP). And remember what the boys in Monty Python say, an argument isn’t just contradicting everything the other person says! Yes it is! 😛 As the boys in Monty Python _actually_ say. ---
**Author:** ![Shagnasty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9dc877/32.png) [@Shagnasty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shagnasty)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2010, 1:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-think-of-the-200-page-health-care-bill/535664/19 "2010-04-11T13:14:20Z")
Don’t let the page count throw you off. Most of it was just cut and pasted from other sources by an intern based on things she read before. The opening sentence is “It was the best of times, it was the worst of times” for god’s sake. ---
**Author:** ![G-SE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/f0a364/32.png) [@G-SE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/G-SE)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2010, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-think-of-the-200-page-health-care-bill/535664/20 "2010-04-11T13:34:45Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > For the record, it is no longer a bill. It is a law. If you want to repeal it, you will need to pass a new law, then get 288 votes in the House, and 67 votes in the Senate to override the President’s veto. Or just get a handful of activist judges to rule it unconstitutional. Or is it only Democrats that can do that? [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-do-you-think-of-the-200-page-health-care-bill/535664.md?page=2)