# What does it say about a candidate who calls Obama an "appeaser"? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [December 9, 2011, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-does-it-say-about-a-candidate-who-calls-obama-an-appeaser/605569 "2011-12-09T00:15:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2011, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-does-it-say-about-a-candidate-who-calls-obama-an-appeaser/605569/21 "2011-12-09T20:20:42Z")
> [@yorick73](#): > > You don’t seem to even know what the question was about. They were referring to Obama’s appeasement of Palestinians and their supporters throughout the middle east by demanding that the 1967 line is the starting point of negotiations between Israel and the Palestinians. With agreed upon swaps. You forget about that part? Which, by the way, means the border is up for negotiations. > [@](#): > > Of course they also referred to Obama’s lack of leadership in making sure Iran does not get a nuke. Nonsense. What specifically has Obama not done to push Iran away from nukes? > [@](#): > > Our foreign policy posture has generally been one of genuflection since Obama’s inauguration. Again, utter nonsense. I expect you to have some facts, not talking points that you can’t support. [You are repeating something which is not true.](http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/sep/22/mitt-romney/mitt-romney-repeats-claim-obama-went-around-world-/) ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2011, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-does-it-say-about-a-candidate-who-calls-obama-an-appeaser/605569/22 "2011-12-09T20:23:22Z")
> [@yorick73](#): > > Our foreign policy posture has generally been one of genuflection since Obama’s inauguration. It’s true. I mean, we’ve barely waged “preemptive war” on any _new_ countries since Obama took office! Escalating the existing conflicts? Ratcheting up the secret bombing campaigns? The whole world as a battlefield? Yeah right, you hippie pussy! ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2011, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-does-it-say-about-a-candidate-who-calls-obama-an-appeaser/605569/23 "2011-12-09T20:27:40Z")
> [@yorick73](#): > > You don’t seem to even know what the question was about. They were referring to Obama’s appeasement of Palestinians and their supporters throughout the middle east by demanding that the 1967 line is the starting point of negotiations between Israel and the Palestinians. That is not appeasement, that is Obama’s **position** on the issue. He gets to have one unfavorable to Israel without it being essentially appeasement of anybody, you know, and if anybody feels appeased, so much the better. > [@yorick73](#): > > Of course they also referred to Obama’s lack of leadership in making sure Iran does not get a nuke. He has done nothing to appease them on the matter. Not taking aggressive action is not appeasement. > [@yorick73](#): > > Our foreign policy posture has generally been one of genuflection since Obama’s inauguration. If I stop ramming my knee into your guts repeatedly but continue to hold you in a a hammerlock until I’m sure it’s safe to let go, I am not genuflecting to you. ---
**Author:** ![yorick73](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/b5a626/32.png) [@yorick73](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yorick73)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2011, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-does-it-say-about-a-candidate-who-calls-obama-an-appeaser/605569/24 "2011-12-09T22:28:46Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > With agreed upon swaps. You forget about that part? Which, by the way, means the border is up for negotiations. Did you fail to read the words “starting point”? > [@Lobohan](#): > > Nonsense. What specifically has Obama not done to push Iran away from nukes? Well, he opposed the Senate sanctions package on Iran just a few days ago for starters. I think he should have had the courage to support the Persian spring in Iran. > [@Lobohan](#): > > Again, utter nonsense. I expect you to have some facts, not talking points that you can’t support. [You are repeating something which is not true.](http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/sep/22/mitt-romney/mitt-romney-repeats-claim-obama-went-around-world-/) I love the way you respond to something I didn’t say and then attack it…with a link! I was referring to the administration abandoning the missile defense complex in Poland, abandoning an ally in Egypt, weakness in Iran and Pakistan, and appeasement of China by not supplying Taiwan with new F16s just to name a few. ---
**Author:** ![yorick73](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/b5a626/32.png) [@yorick73](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yorick73)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2011, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-does-it-say-about-a-candidate-who-calls-obama-an-appeaser/605569/25 "2011-12-09T22:32:57Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > That is not appeasement, that is Obama’s **position** on the issue. Correct. His position is to appease our enemies. > [@BrainGlutton](#): > > If I stop ramming my knee into your guts repeatedly but continue to hold you in a a hammerlock until I’m sure it’s safe to let go, I am not genuflecting to you. Your sentence is correct but does not reflect the Obama administration’s foreign policy stance. Your analogy is flawed. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2011, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-does-it-say-about-a-candidate-who-calls-obama-an-appeaser/605569/26 "2011-12-09T22:49:49Z")
You guys are all Obama appeasers. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2011, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-does-it-say-about-a-candidate-who-calls-obama-an-appeaser/605569/27 "2011-12-09T23:28:54Z")
> [@yorick73](#): > > You don’t seem to even know what the question was about. They were referring to Obama’s appeasement of Palestinians and their supporters throughout the middle east by demanding that the 1967 line is the starting point of negotiations between Israel and the Palestinians. Of course they also referred to Obama’s lack of leadership in making sure Iran does not get a nuke. > > Our foreign policy posture has generally been one of genuflection since Obama’s inauguration. Jesus titty-fucking Christ on a pogo stick! [Bush called for negotiations to start with the **1949** borders.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6W73v4p6Yyg) If calling for the 1967 borders as a starting point is “genuflection”, what the fuck is starting with the 1949 borders? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2011, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-does-it-say-about-a-candidate-who-calls-obama-an-appeaser/605569/28 "2011-12-09T23:33:49Z")
Statesmanlike. ---
**Author:** ![C3](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/c3/32/3108_2.png) [@C3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/C3)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2011, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-does-it-say-about-a-candidate-who-calls-obama-an-appeaser/605569/29 "2011-12-10T00:10:23Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Jesus titty-fucking Christ on a pogo stick! [Bush called for negotiations to start with the **1949** borders.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6W73v4p6Yyg) If calling for the 1967 borders as a starting point is “genuflection”, what the fuck is starting with the 1949 borders? Not only that, but in August, Netanyahu shifted his position and agreed to the pre-1967 borders as a starting point for negotiations. Is Netanyahu an appeaser? ETA: [Yahoo News: Latest and Breaking News, Headlines, Live Updates, and More](http://news.yahoo.com/tv-israel-agrees-negotiate-over-pre-67-lines-185815284.html) ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2011, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-does-it-say-about-a-candidate-who-calls-obama-an-appeaser/605569/30 "2011-12-10T00:48:20Z")
> [@C3](#): > > Not only that, but in August, Netanyahu shifted his position and agreed to the pre-1967 borders as a starting point for negotiations. Is Netanyahu an appeaser? > > ETA: [Yahoo News: Latest and Breaking News, Headlines, Live Updates, and More](http://news.yahoo.com/tv-israel-agrees-negotiate-over-pre-67-lines-185815284.html) I dunno, but I recall that somebody thought Rabin was. ---
**Author:** ![yorick73](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/b5a626/32.png) [@yorick73](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yorick73)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2011, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-does-it-say-about-a-candidate-who-calls-obama-an-appeaser/605569/31 "2011-12-10T00:53:06Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Jesus titty-fucking Christ on a pogo stick! [Bush called for negotiations to start with the **1949** borders.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6W73v4p6Yyg) If calling for the 1967 borders as a starting point is “genuflection”, what the fuck is starting with the 1949 borders? It never fails to amaze me how this kind of nonsense takes hold and travels around to all the usual sites. “Bu..Bu..Bu..But Bush said it too!” Here..read up on Obama’s shift on middle east policy…from the [Washington Post](http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/understanding-obamas-shift-on-israel-and-the-1967-lines/2011/05/19/AFPRaT7G_blog.html). You can also check out [this page](http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/mailbag-answering-readers-questions-on-paul-ryan-and-1967-lines/2011/05/26/AGgcz3BH_blog.html) if you are still confused. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2011, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-does-it-say-about-a-candidate-who-calls-obama-an-appeaser/605569/32 "2011-12-10T21:16:26Z")
Well, Gingrich, at any rate, apparently [does not want to appear an appeaser.](http://www.aljazeera.com/news/americas/2011/12/201112108493783540.html) > [@](#): > > Republican White House hopeful Newt Gingrich has stirred controversy by calling the Palestinians an “invented” people who could have chosen to live elsewhere. > > The former House of Representatives speaker, who is the frontrunner for the Republican nomination for the 2012 presidential race, made the remarks in an interview with the US Jewish Channel broadcaster released on Friday. > > Asked whether he considers himself a Zionist, he answered: “I believe that the Jewish people have the right to a state … Remember, there was no Palestine as a state. It was part of the Ottoman Empire” until the early 20th century, > > "I think that we’ve had an invented Palestinian people who are in fact Arabs, and who were historically part of the Arab community. > > “And they had a chance to go many places, and for a variety of political reasons we have sustained this war against Israel now since the 1940s, and it’s tragic.” FTR, the Palestinians have always lived there, under whatever name. They are simply the descendants of all the peoples who have ever lived in or invaded or colonized Canaan, including Canaanites, Hebrews/Israelites/Jews, Philistines, etc., and Arabs and Turks. They are the cousins of those now called Jews, but their ancestors never left. [DNA studies bear this out.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_people#DNA_and_genetic_studies) ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2011, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-does-it-say-about-a-candidate-who-calls-obama-an-appeaser/605569/33 "2011-12-10T21:33:20Z")
> [@yorick73](#): > > Correct. His position is to appease our enemies. The Palestinians are our enemies? When did that happen? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2011, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-does-it-say-about-a-candidate-who-calls-obama-an-appeaser/605569/34 "2011-12-11T00:12:26Z")
> [@Leaper](#): > > The Palestinians are our enemies? When did that happen? When we decided to be Israel’s friend. ---
**Author:** ![CaptMurdock](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captmurdock/32/11736_2.png) [@CaptMurdock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaptMurdock)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2011, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-does-it-say-about-a-candidate-who-calls-obama-an-appeaser/605569/35 "2011-12-12T01:57:12Z")
> [@yorick73](#): > > It never fails to amaze me how this kind of nonsense takes hold and travels around to all the usual sites. “Bu..Bu..Bu..But Bush said it too!” > > Here..read up on Obama’s shift on middle east policy…from the [Washington Post](http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/understanding-obamas-shift-on-israel-and-the-1967-lines/2011/05/19/AFPRaT7G_blog.html). You can also check out [this page](http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/mailbag-answering-readers-questions-on-paul-ryan-and-1967-lines/2011/05/26/AGgcz3BH_blog.html) if you are still confused. So, in other words, you’re not going to answer his question? How typical. ---
**Author:** ![Khethil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/7993a0/32.png) [@Khethil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Khethil)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2011, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-does-it-say-about-a-candidate-who-calls-obama-an-appeaser/605569/36 "2011-12-12T02:02:42Z")
Its all part of this poisonous political climate we’re in. Any kind of compromise (which used to be a good thing) is looked upon as weak. Any recognition of other sides of any story is looked upon as traitorous (which used to be called 'a wide perspective). By extension, “appeasement” is just another inflammatory term used to insult and cast the specter of contemptible timidity. … and since it increases divisiveness and hate amongst our own, the media is having a field day and many are just following along; all in lock step. Let your hate flow!! _sigh_ ---
**Author:** ![yorick73](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/b5a626/32.png) [@yorick73](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yorick73)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2011, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-does-it-say-about-a-candidate-who-calls-obama-an-appeaser/605569/37 "2011-12-12T02:18:14Z")
> [@CaptMurdock](#): > > So, in other words, you’re not going to answer his question? How typical. Are you incapable of reading? The links provided address this issue. Please click on the first one, read it, if still confused click on the second one. Does that help? ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Knig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cdc98d/32.png) [@Typo\_Knig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Knig)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2011, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-does-it-say-about-a-candidate-who-calls-obama-an-appeaser/605569/38 "2011-12-12T03:35:54Z")
**yorick73** that was not appeasement - that was an attempt to re-start stalled negotiations. About as ineffective as a speech telling the NBA owners you want them to give the players more money. If you look in the dictionary under “Non-starter” you ought to see a picture of Obama’s plan for the Middle East. Obama’s speech presented a plan that everyone instantly ignored, but not a plan of appeasement. I must add that as an American and a Jew I am at my limit with the strain of _US_ politicians and voters who act as if the US must give Israel anything it wants, anything it says it wants, or anything it might possibly want in the future - no matter how boneheadingly counter to Israeli interests it might be. Let alone to US interests. Israel is a great country with a lot going for it, but it is governed by humans who make mistakes. We as their allies have a role in pointing out their mistakes, as our allies have done for us on occasion. For Israel’s sake I hope their leaders listen better than ours have. Which brings us back to GWB and LBJ, and now I’m all dizzy. ---
**Author:** ![CaptMurdock](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captmurdock/32/11736_2.png) [@CaptMurdock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaptMurdock)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2011, 6:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-does-it-say-about-a-candidate-who-calls-obama-an-appeaser/605569/39 "2011-12-12T06:42:10Z")
> [@yorick73](#): > > Are you incapable of reading? The links provided address this issue. Please click on the first one, read it, if still confused click on the second one. Does that help? From the first link: > [@](#): > > **Originally posted by a Washington Post blogger:** > A number of readers have asked about a statement made by George W. Bush in 2005: “Any final status agreement must be reached between the two parties, and changes to the 1949 Armistice Lines must be mutually agreed to.” > > I purposely did not include this in my list because in the annals of diplomacy it is considered a relatively unimportant statement. Translation: This undercuts my entire argument, so I’m going to try to ignore it. So, yeah, I can read. Big time. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2011, 1:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-does-it-say-about-a-candidate-who-calls-obama-an-appeaser/605569/40 "2011-12-12T13:00:18Z")
> [@CaptMurdock](#): > > From the first link: > Translation: This undercuts my entire argument, so I’m going to try to ignore it. > > So, yeah, I can read. Big time. BINGO! Here’s how to interpret presidential statements from a right wing perspective: Bush: “Negotiations should have the 1949 borders as a starting point.” This is an unimportant statement to be ignored. Obama: “Negotiations should have the 1967 borders as a starting point.” This is proof positive that Obama is an appeaser and is a gaffe of the highest magnitude, never to be forgiven. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-does-it-say-about-a-candidate-who-calls-obama-an-appeaser/605569.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-does-it-say-about-a-candidate-who-calls-obama-an-appeaser/605569.md?page=3)