# What does "money for nothing and kicks for free" mean? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 17, 2013, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-does-money-for-nothing-and-kicks-for-free-mean/671455 "2013-10-17T02:33:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![davidmich](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e56c9b/32.png) [@davidmich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidmich)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2013, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-does-money-for-nothing-and-kicks-for-free-mean/671455/1 "2013-10-17T02:33:40Z")
Hi, I couldn’t find any definition for “money for nothing and kicks for free” . I assume it means reap money and benefits and offer nothing in return, but I’m not quite sure. I’ve seen it use in article headings “TARP Lessons: Money for Nothing and the Kicks for Free” I look forward to your feedback. davidmich ---
**Author:** ![usedtobe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ec9cab/32.png) [@usedtobe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/usedtobe)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2013, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-does-money-for-nothing-and-kicks-for-free-mean/671455/2 "2013-10-17T02:43:01Z")
google - it is lyrics from a rock song re playing music - it isn’t “work” and you get groupies free. It is also politically incorrect (ref to a gay performer) ---
**Author:** ![BorgHunter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7c8e57/32.png) [@BorgHunter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BorgHunter)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2013, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-does-money-for-nothing-and-kicks-for-free-mean/671455/3 "2013-10-17T02:50:11Z")
That’s a reference to the 1985 song “[Money for Nothing](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAD6Obi7Cag)” by Dire Straits. (It’s worth noting that the lyrics in the song go, “Money for nothing and the **chicks** for free.”) The song is sung from the perspective of some blue collar workers who are watching MTV and commenting on the lifestyles of famous musicians. And their perspective is, indeed, that they’re getting money and sex for doing comparatively little, while the workers are doing strenuous labor without getting paid very much. The full, extended cut of the song is actually even more politically incorrect than usedtobe suggested. There are lyrics that go, “The little faggot with the earring and the makeup / Yeah buddy, that’s his own hair / That little faggot got his own jet airplane / That little faggot he’s a millionaire”. Of course, this is sung from the perspective of lower class men in the mid-1980s, so it’s not unrealistic, but it did cause a bit of a stir. In one of his best works, IMO, [Weird Al spoofed the song](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=id7Q4clO-ro) to be about The Beverly Hillbillies. Fun fact: The lead guitarist of Dire Straits, Mark Knopfler, played guitar on the spoof as well. ---
**Author:** ![the\_diego](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7bcc69/32.png) [@the\_diego](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/the_diego)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2013, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-does-money-for-nothing-and-kicks-for-free-mean/671455/4 "2013-10-17T02:54:08Z")
One basic philosophy of mine has always been, “Who needs money when you have good looks?” ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2013, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-does-money-for-nothing-and-kicks-for-free-mean/671455/5 "2013-10-17T03:04:09Z")
You’ve seen it used in [one](http://seekingalpha.com/article/228896-tarp-lessons-money-for-nothing-and-the-kicks-for-free) article heading. It’s a play on words; as noted above, the lyric is “chicks for free”. ---
**Author:** ![Hail\_Ants](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/dc4da7/32.png) [@Hail\_Ants](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hail_Ants)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2013, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-does-money-for-nothing-and-kicks-for-free-mean/671455/6 "2013-10-17T03:08:31Z")
[The video for this song](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAD6Obi7Cag) (which got \*\*\*endless \*\*\*rotation on early MTV) was one of the first to make extensive use of computer graphics, though it looks ridiculously crude today… ---
**Author:** ![davidmich](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e56c9b/32.png) [@davidmich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidmich)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2013, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-does-money-for-nothing-and-kicks-for-free-mean/671455/7 "2013-10-17T03:17:39Z")
Actually quite a few news articles use the phrase “money for nothing, kicks for free” which seems to suggest that the phrase has the meaning of getting something for doing relatively little in return/doing little to merit the wages received. > **[Money for nothing, and your kicks for free](https://www.bmj.com/content/332/7549/1096.4?tab=responses)** > > EDITOR—You know you've upset the profession when a local colleague stops you in the car park to say you've got it wrong. I merely suggested on a Scottish news programme that the general practitioners' pay rise was excessive and divisive. > > We have... davidmich ---
**Author:** ![drastic\_quench](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e36b37/32.png) [@drastic\_quench](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drastic_quench)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2013, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-does-money-for-nothing-and-kicks-for-free-mean/671455/8 "2013-10-17T03:18:58Z")
> [@Hail\_Ants](#): > > [The video for this song](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAD6Obi7Cag) (which got \*\*\*endless \*\*\*rotation on early MTV) was one of the first to make extensive use of computer graphics, though it looks ridiculously crude today… Not only that, it was the standard for computer animation - even among animators (see the commentary on Simpsons Treehouse of Horror VI) right up until Toy Story debuted. ---
**Author:** ![engineer\_comp\_geek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/engineer_comp_geek/32/504_2.png) [@engineer\_comp\_geek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/engineer_comp_geek)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2013, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-does-money-for-nothing-and-kicks-for-free-mean/671455/9 "2013-10-17T03:19:59Z")
> [@BorgHunter](#): > > Of course, this is sung from the perspective of lower class men in the mid-1980s, so it’s not unrealistic, but it did cause a bit of a stir. It’s definitely not unrealistic. In fact, it’s based on a real working class guy. Mark Knopfler, the guy from Dire Straits who wrote the song (and sings it) was actually in an appliance store, shopping. One of the working guys who did stocking, deliveries, etc. was basically bitching and moaning and pretty much saying everything that ended up in the lyrics. Mark Knopfler heard the guy and immediately grabbed a piece of paper and a pen and started writing down everything the guy was saying, while trying to act inconspicuous so that the guy wouldn’t know he was being watched and his words were being written down. While the lyrics did end up being controversial, they were in many cases very closely based on what the appliance store worker actually said. And obviously the entire idea for the song also sprang from this incident. (This is all according to Mark Knopfler himself, from what he has said in interviews) > [@BorgHunter](#): > > Fun fact: The lead guitarist of Dire Straits, Mark Knopfler, played guitar on the spoof as well. What makes it even more of a fun fact is that Mark Knopfler actually insisted on this as a condition of letting Weird Al do the song. ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_T](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/3ec8ea/32.png) [@Gary\_T](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_T)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2013, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-does-money-for-nothing-and-kicks-for-free-mean/671455/10 "2013-10-17T03:51:39Z")
> [@usedtobe](#): > > It is also politically incorrect (ref to a gay performer) [nitpick-clarification] Not really referring to a gay performer (who is getting chicks, after all), but using “faggot” as an angry insult for someone who, having long hair and wearing an earring, doesn’t fit the blue-collar “manly man” stereotype. [/nitpick-clarification] Having that word in the lyrics got the song [banned in Canada](http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/canada-lifts-ban-on-dire-straits-money-for-nothing-20110901) for most of a year. ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2013, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-does-money-for-nothing-and-kicks-for-free-mean/671455/11 "2013-10-17T03:57:26Z")
> [@engineer\_comp\_geek](#): > > What makes it even more of a fun fact is that Mark Knopfler actually insisted on this as a condition of letting Weird Al do the song. Which neatly parallels the fact that _Sting_ insisted upon singing the “I want my, I want my, I want my MTV” on the original _Money For Nothing_ recording, because he overheard Knopfler and thought the melody on that line sounded remarkably like his own song with The Police, “Don’t Stand So Close to Me” 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2013, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-does-money-for-nothing-and-kicks-for-free-mean/671455/12 "2013-10-17T04:17:54Z")
Since the phrase is from a song lyric, let’s move this over to Cafe Society. Colibri General Questions Moderator ---
**Author:** ![njtt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ecd19e/32.png) [@njtt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/njtt)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2013, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-does-money-for-nothing-and-kicks-for-free-mean/671455/13 "2013-10-17T04:34:57Z")
> [@BorgHunter](#): > > The full, extended cut of the song is actually even more politically incorrect than usedtobe suggested. There are lyrics that go, “The little faggot with the earring and the makeup / Yeah buddy, that’s his own hair / That little faggot got his own jet airplane / That little faggot he’s a millionaire”. Of course, this is sung from the perspective of lower class men in the mid-1980s, so it’s not unrealistic, but it did cause a bit of a stir. Of course the “little faggot” being referred to is the singer and songwriter, Mark Knopfler, himself. I don’t think it is politically incorrect to call yourself a faggot (even if you are actually straight, which he is, AFAIK). Surely this like African Americans calling each other by the N word. ---
**Author:** ![Glazer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a88e57/32.png) [@Glazer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Glazer)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2013, 6:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-does-money-for-nothing-and-kicks-for-free-mean/671455/14 "2013-10-17T06:02:41Z")
Faggot doesn’t mean the same thing in Great Britain as it does in North America. A faggot is a bundle of sticks or a ragged end of a rope. The first meaning is why they call cigarettes a fag. The second meaning is why they call the mop topped singer a faggot. Funny story. While stationed in Texas we were cross training with some British troops. After the exercise me and a buddy invited a couple of the Brits out drinking. We all piled in a cab to go to our favorite watering hole. (The Bunny Club for those familiar with Ft. Hood in the '80[sup]s[/sup].) On the way one of the Brits asked the driver to pull over somewhere he could pick up a fag. The driver was a large fat redneck. He slammed on the brakes pulling over and said “Get the fuck out.” We all bust out laughing. It took about five minutes to convince him that all he (the Brit) wanted was to buy some cigarettes. ---
**Author:** ![RobDog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f07891/32.png) [@RobDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RobDog)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2013, 6:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-does-money-for-nothing-and-kicks-for-free-mean/671455/15 "2013-10-17T06:44:40Z")
> [@Glazer](#): > > Faggot doesn’t mean the same thing in Great Britain as it does in North America. A faggot is a bundle of sticks or a ragged end of a rope. The first meaning is why they call cigarettes a fag. The second meaning is why they call the mop topped singer a faggot… Well, yes and no. Whilst “faggot” does indeed mean all of the things you mention in British English (additionally a faggot is a type of meatball), there’s no doubt that Knopfler is using the term in its derogatory sense, and would be understood as such by virtually all British people. ---
**Author:** ![si\_blakely](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d9b06d/32.png) [@si\_blakely](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/si_blakely)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2013, 6:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-does-money-for-nothing-and-kicks-for-free-mean/671455/16 "2013-10-17T06:53:58Z")
> [@Glazer](#): > > Faggot doesn’t mean the same thing in Great Britain as it does in North America. A faggot is a bundle of sticks or a ragged end of a rope. The first meaning is why they call cigarettes a fag. The second meaning is why they call the mop topped singer a faggot. The British use faggot and fag in multiple ways - a faggot can also be a sort of skinless offal-containing sausage/meatball, and a fag can be a younger student at a public school (I.e. a private boarding school) who is used by an older student as a personal assistant/batman (including implied homosexual overtones in some cases). This allows suitable double entendres on “fag”. However, in the context of the 80s and the song “Money for Nothing”, it is pretty clear that the sense of faggot being used is a derisive term for a successful gay/androgynous performer (think Boy George or Elton John, or maybe one of the New Romantics). The notes that Knopfler made for the song were made in New York, as I recall, so the US sense is the most appropriate. The whole verse is excised from later releases of the song on collections. I like performing the song in an acoustic fashion - I use “a-hole” (a less homophobic insult) in that verse. ---
**Author:** ![bienville](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@bienville](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bienville)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2013, 6:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-does-money-for-nothing-and-kicks-for-free-mean/671455/17 "2013-10-17T06:57:23Z")
> [@Gary\_T](#): > > Having that word in the lyrics got the song [banned in Canada](http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/canada-lifts-ban-on-dire-straits-money-for-nothing-20110901) for most of a year. Curious to know if Canada also banned “Fairytale of New York” from radio play (as it uses the same word)? The Wiki page for “Fairytale of New York” has a section titled “Censorship” but it doesn’t mention radio in Canada. ---
**Author:** ![si\_blakely](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d9b06d/32.png) [@si\_blakely](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/si_blakely)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2013, 7:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-does-money-for-nothing-and-kicks-for-free-mean/671455/18 "2013-10-17T07:13:03Z")
> [@bienville](#): > > Curious to know if Canada also banned “Fairytale of New York” from radio play (as it uses the same word)? > The Wiki page for “Fairytale of New York” has a section titled “Censorship” but it doesn’t mention radio in Canada. I’d assume context has something to do with it. In “Fairytale”, faggot is used as a generic insult to a specific individual (in a very Irish fashion), and does not imply homosexuality - “you scumbag, you maggot, you cheap lousy faggot”. As opposed to “Money for Nothing” - “See the little faggot with the earring and the makeup”, which applies “faggot” to a group with somewhat related attributes (while not all big-hair, makeup/jewellery wearing performers in the early 80s were actually gay, a significant proportion were or were thought to be). ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2013, 7:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-does-money-for-nothing-and-kicks-for-free-mean/671455/19 "2013-10-17T07:22:37Z")
For the record, “kicks” can mean pleasure, enjoyment, whatever turns you on. I refer to the classic lyrics “Get your kicks on Route 66.” It’s a bit dated (I associate it largely with the beatniks of the 1950s), but I don’t think it’s disappeared from common use entirely. “Money for nothing and kicks for free” would therefore make perfect sense in any context. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2013, 7:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-does-money-for-nothing-and-kicks-for-free-mean/671455/20 "2013-10-17T07:32:15Z")
> [@si\_blakely](#): > > I’d assume context has something to do with it. In “Fairytale”, faggot is used as a generic insult to a specific individual (in a very Irish fashion), and does not imply homosexuality - “you scumbag, you maggot, you cheap lousy faggot”. > As opposed to “Money for Nothing” - “See the little faggot with the earring and the makeup”, which applies “faggot” to a group with somewhat related attributes (while not all big-hair, makeup/jewellery wearing performers in the early 80s were actually gay, a significant proportion were or were thought to be). IIRC, the song was briefly banned on Canadian airwaves as a result of exactly one complaint. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-does-money-for-nothing-and-kicks-for-free-mean/671455.md?page=2)