So you have never made this claim on SDMB? Apologies; I thought we’d already gotten into this row a few times. At any rate, I was rejecting the apartheid claim and you interjected with your piece. I’m glad you agree with me that Israel is not an apartheid state!
So I’m not sure exactly what your point was (except that you were conflating Palestinians in Lebanon with those in the West Bank and Gaza, perhaps).
Of course they’re Arabs in the sense that Moroccans or Iraqis are Arabs – linguistically and culturally – but, genetically, the Palestinians are the Jews’ cousins. They’re the lineal descendants of people who were living in Canaan when Joshua and the Israelites invaded (assuming that ever happened). They are also lineal descendants of the Israelites. And of every other people that has ever invaded or colonized or conquered or settled in Canaan/Israel/Judea/Palestine/Levant/Outremer – Philistines, Egyptians, Phoenicians, Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, Greeks, Romans, Arabs, European Crusaders, Turks – it’s quite a melting-pot.
No, of course I didn’t forget the '73 war. You’ll note however that Egypt was **not ** calling for driving Israel into the sea in 1973. They had the limited goal of recovering the Sinai from Israel, not the unrealistic goal of conquering Israel. Once the Egyptian army performed an assault crossing of the Suez they advanced inland only a few miles, stopped and dug in. They had a very realistic appreciation of how they were likely to fare if they pushed on into the desert and engaged the Israelis in mobile warfare. You’ll also note that Camp David was a direct outcome of the '73 war; Egypt formally made peace with Israel in exchange for the return of the Sinai.
A few things here: the Khartoum Resolution was only the basis of the Arab League’s stance towards Israel from 1967-73. It ceased being the basis in the wake of the '73 war. It certainly isn’t a matter of consternation that Egypt and Jordan have since broke from it and formally made peace with Israel; it has long since become a dead resolution. Syria is the only major neighbor of Israel left that hasn’t come to peace with them, recognized them, and negotiated with them, the three no’s of the resolution. Further, notice how the Khartoum Resolution doesn’t call for driving Israel into the sea, the point of contention that you’re trying to argue against. It’s not quibbling over the exact nature of a stated position. It’s assigning a position that isn’t actually being taken. Drive them into the sea hasn’t been a position since Nassar.
Oh sweet Jesus.
Can’t we all just, GET ALONG?!:dubious:
<ducks down and runs>:D
Yeah, him too. If he left any descendants they don’t live in France, they live in Nablus.
All cousins.
Of course, there’s no quarrel worse than a family quarrel, is there? 
The point is that neither side is really the “intruder” or “interloper” here. Yes, the Jews’ “historical” claim to Palestine is no bullshit, it’s well-documented, the “Khazar theory” has been debunked by DNA. Last year I met a Jew who claimed with some conviction to know her family history, and gave some details of it, back to the destruction of Jerusalem by Hadrian*, and I saw no particular reason to doubt her. OTOH, the Palestinians belong there too, they have always been there. They are not descended from a band of Arab bedouins who came in with the Islamic conquest – they are descended from those, but also from the Jews, and Canaanites and everybody else. That’s a much better ancestral claim to the land than the Jews have, if we need to weigh them in the balance, which we don’t.
Worse than the Hatfields and McCoys! :rolleyes:
“First, they say, 'twas the Hatfields, and first, 'twas the McCoys; or perhaps it were the other way about.”
Didn’t claim that. Again, read this damn thread.
That while it is wrong to claim Israel is an apartheid state, it is equally as wrong to claim Palestinians now have it *so *much better than Black South Africans, and to bolster those claims by cherry-picking photographs to show the best vs. worst of each.
No one has answered this and I don’t see it in the Wiki article on the West Bank: What is the economy of the Palestinians there based on? When they’re employed, what are they employed at?
A lot of them aren’t. Unemployment is pretty high among the Palestinians. But a lot work either in agriculture, for the Palestinian government itself, or in Israel or the settlements, primarily in construction.
Here are labor statistics from the Palestinians themselves.
They tend to depend on Israel for jobs.
That sounds a lot like Apartheid.
Then you clearly know nothing of Apartheid.
I’m not sure why you’re asking questions when you already seem to have made up your mind about the situation.
Have you ever even visited there or talked to anyone from the West Bank to find out how willing they are to be Israeli citizens?
We were talking about Palestinians in the occupied territories and economically they are vastly better off than Black South Africans under Apartheid.
Nor is the above a fact that is largely challenged. I’ve heard some people argue that from a political standpoint regarding freedom and so forth but I’ve never heard anyone, not even Rashid Khalidi or Edward Said(both of whom admitted West Bank Palestinians were economically better off than Jordanians) dispute the notion that the Palestinians in the Occupied territories are economically better off.
I did once occasionally chat with Palestinian who ran a local convenience store, but the subject of a one-state solution never came up. (He preferred to talk about how long Israel was going to be allowed to act like it’s above the law, etc.) I know it’s politically impossible, I just say if it weren’t, it would be the best thing for all. The Israelis belong there, the Palestinians belong there, and nobody would have to evacuate their settlements or otherwise move.
I do know that it involved blacks providing cheap labor for whites, usually outside their “homelands” which was why the pass-card requirement was such a touchy issue, and that’s the resemblance I see here.
And IIRC, the whole dang thing was over a hog! :eek:
ETA: Sorry for the hijack, I’ll go away now.